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That's his benchmark? a 6 year old bottom range CPU?
Jeez I bet a mid range CPU from 10 years ago would be faster.
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That's his benchmark? a 6 year old bottom range CPU?
Jeez I bet a mid range CPU from 10 years ago would be faster.
ROFLOL. It's low end, not terrible. Which is exactly what you'd use for mining. So again so much for your usual crap and theories. Win10 can't even handle low end hardware. After having actually used it I concur it's crap.
Johnatan56
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I think the A4-7300 got refreshed, so could be the slightly faster 2016 model (like 5% difference I think it was for the boost speeds).
That's his benchmark? a 6 year old bottom range CPU?
Jeez I bet a mid range CPU from 10 years ago would be faster.
The Celeron G3900 was its direct competitor for the refresh part, except the Celeron is like 30% faster on average, also a 2C/2T part.
Just to note, the Celeron is about the same performance as the N3550 that I was saying was garbage, it's within like 5% in most benchmarks. Swa gave an example of an even worse CPU that was definitely not a good buy even then, especially considering the R1300+ price tag, the Celeron was priced similarly.
You're joking right? You said you're using it for mining, buying the most garbage component you could, and yet you expect to have good performance? W10 would still perform better on it than W7 though, but you might have issues the first time you log in since W10 would build up the prefetch index, and 2 thread total has pretty much everything beat it.
Pretty much anything would slow down that CPU, can't really use that for W10 vs W7 testing methodology.
No a 5 year old CPU that was still current when I got it. Win10 can't even handle current gen hardware at launch. It's slower than Win7 right out of the box. I have that on my own experience.
That's his benchmark? a 6 year old bottom range CPU?
Jeez I bet a mid range CPU from 10 years ago would be faster.
You're just coming up with excuses when shown wrong. You don't buy the best for mining. And you are wrong on Win10 performing better than Win7. It quite simply doesn't.
Johnatan56
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I've provided proof that it does, you have provided your opinion that it doesn't. Well done for your great argumentative skills.
And "excuses", I made none, I just said your test is utter crap and you can't isolate to W7 or W10 since you're running the most garbage hardware where even doing something as simple as prefetch/index building would seriously hamper performance until it was done, but that would increase the performance and improve user experience substantially later, but you're using it for a mining rig, so the service is useless.
It's also very strange to use W7/W10 for a mining rig, you'd run a flavor of Linux, probably Ubuntu since you can have no downtime if you have Canonical Livepatch enabled, since uptime directly leads to higher mining efficiency. It's also easier and faster to install everything, and less resources wasted as you could disable the GUI entirely since you're not going to be using it. So no research on your part at all, as is pretty common with anything that you post.
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No you haven't provided proof. All you've provided are arguments why it doesn't matter or can't be seen as reliable. My observations are proof. Win7 about 30s to a usable state. Win10 about a minute and a half being generous here and then it still runs slower overall. But you can't accept that for some reason and still claim there's no way Win10 can be slower than Win7, go figure.
As for why I used Windows there was nothing wrong with Win7. Weeks of uptime at a time unless there's some sort of power failure which happens quite often here. Perfect when you disable all visuals and updates. But alas Win10 doesn't allow even this basic control so you blame me for taking back some of it even though that's not what's causing the issues. It's never what causes the issues in any of the cases where Win10 has failed. That's just more of your and @Geoff.D's ignorance.
I understand why MS is doing this, based on the security concern.
There are problems with expecting most people to go the Win 10 route though.
There are a few laptops that have no support or drivers available for Windows 10. These are mostly old and dated systems, but if a user expects that moving to Windows 10 will be the best, it might be a really bad choice in this scenario.
There are problems with expecting most people to go the Win 10 route though.
There are a few laptops that have no support or drivers available for Windows 10. These are mostly old and dated systems, but if a user expects that moving to Windows 10 will be the best, it might be a really bad choice in this scenario.
Kung Fu Porkchop
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Let's cut the BS. You don't like Windows 10, period. You have your "proof" and you're sticking to it, even when it's completely wrong.
I work in an environment with +- 300 computers & laptops where I've gotten 95% of the environment upgraded to Windows 10. There are a few Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 computers that still needs to be upgraded, but that's beside the point. There are about 10-15 computers/laptops that came out with Windows 7 that's been upgraded to Windows 10 and according to the users, they work better/faster. No SSD required.
And for the fact that Windows 10 doesn't work with the latest hardware, I call BULLS***. I've had NO problems with any of the machines purchased/set up in the last 3-4 years. No compatibility issues, no "stuttering" even when running software like Autodesk inventor etc, no hardware issues, nothing.
We get it. You like Windows 7 and will never upgrade to 10 because you simply dislike it. Good for you! Go enjoy your Windows 7 machine while the rest of us use whatever we want, because that's our choice.
Oh another one. There's a reason I and millions of others won't be using Win10. But that's the part all of you fanboys ignore.
BTW cutting the BS Win10 is not faster. But that's the inconvenient truth you can't accept. Your only responses are that it's not the case and I didn't observe what I did.
BTW cutting the BS Win10 is not faster. But that's the inconvenient truth you can't accept. Your only responses are that it's not the case and I didn't observe what I did.
AfricanTech
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Will it also display a 'click here to upgrade' button?
Kung Fu Porkchop
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I use what works. So far Windows 7 works without any major issues. If that makes me a fanboy then so be. Only a true blind fanboy will ignore clear cut facts and claim they aren't facts.
Kung Fu Porkchop
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lol
Bobbin
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In my experience, Windows 10 seems to have an issue with mechanical HDD's and performance - and in particular the 1TB 5400rpm SATA HDD's that come with the majority of laptops from retailers. Every single one of these I've rolled out, for various customers/environments/scenario's have all been disappointing to horrendous. And the same can be said for PC's with HDD's that have had Windows 7 - 10 upgrade as well. They performed okay on Win 7 but terribly on Win 10 even with clean install.
An SSD for Windows 10 is almost mandatory, especially on laptops. I refuse to support or sell Win 10 on a PC with an HDD. But with an SSD it is a pleasant experience, on par or better than Win 7. So there's just something going on there with the mechanical HDD's.
Concerning the Win 10 upgrade - after doing some research I can say that using a Windows 7 key for Windows 10 upgrade appears to be technically not legal even if it activates.
- There is a spiceworks forum discussion where it was noted that a company doing the above was flagged in an audit
- The GWX offer was legally only available during the offer period back in 2016 (With some extension for certain version/scenario). The offer no longer stands today, so there's some logic to consider.
- I have a written email from a senior rep in Microsoft SA saying even he thinks it is not legal.
- I found a part in the EULA somewhere that states activation does not mean a legal copy.
- I believe, but this is speculation on my part, that the only reason the Win 7 to Win 10 upgrade trick still works is due to the activation process for CSP and Win 10 E3/E5 or M365 licensing. You need Win 10 Pro activated before you can upgrade it to Enterprise, and going from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Enterprise in this sort of scenario is legal it seems if you have procured the subscription.
But if you decide to activate it at home using your Win 7 key, chances are no one would be the wiser but no one can endorse it. I'd just be cautious of doing it in a business environment unless you can find any discrepancies from my findings above.
Side note: Microsoft seems to have removed the activation period from Win 10 so you can use it in "eval" mode forever, though of course technically not legal.
An SSD for Windows 10 is almost mandatory, especially on laptops. I refuse to support or sell Win 10 on a PC with an HDD. But with an SSD it is a pleasant experience, on par or better than Win 7. So there's just something going on there with the mechanical HDD's.
Concerning the Win 10 upgrade - after doing some research I can say that using a Windows 7 key for Windows 10 upgrade appears to be technically not legal even if it activates.
- There is a spiceworks forum discussion where it was noted that a company doing the above was flagged in an audit
- The GWX offer was legally only available during the offer period back in 2016 (With some extension for certain version/scenario). The offer no longer stands today, so there's some logic to consider.
- I have a written email from a senior rep in Microsoft SA saying even he thinks it is not legal.
- I found a part in the EULA somewhere that states activation does not mean a legal copy.
- I believe, but this is speculation on my part, that the only reason the Win 7 to Win 10 upgrade trick still works is due to the activation process for CSP and Win 10 E3/E5 or M365 licensing. You need Win 10 Pro activated before you can upgrade it to Enterprise, and going from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Enterprise in this sort of scenario is legal it seems if you have procured the subscription.
But if you decide to activate it at home using your Win 7 key, chances are no one would be the wiser but no one can endorse it. I'd just be cautious of doing it in a business environment unless you can find any discrepancies from my findings above.
Side note: Microsoft seems to have removed the activation period from Win 10 so you can use it in "eval" mode forever, though of course technically not legal.
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