Minister’s SAT3 comments confuse

Bwana
Some stats on SAT-3 and Neotel
Last year VSNL, Neotel's principle foreign investor, completed the acquisition of Teleglobe International, resulting in it owning 33% of the SAT-3 cable, a shareholding that is slightly higher than Telkom's.

Pandey says once Telkom's exclusivity ends over the SAT-3 landing rights towards the end of April next year, Neotel will negotiate to have at least equal access to the cable.
http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/telecoms/2006/0609061036.asp?A=AFN&S=All Africa News&O=FPIN

How about this news report, eish
The Eastern Africa Submarine System (EASSy) telecommunications cable running down the west side of Africa was "at full capacity" and the planned eastern cable linking East African and Southern African states was key to providing affordable broadband to ordinary South Africans, South African Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri said on Tuesday.
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=288580&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__business/

and we wonder why there is confusion.
 
stupid communications minister is an idiot and needs to be dragged off her high and mighty position. All she does is once every 6 months (fat as a pig) make an appearance and talk about ****!

I think my dog has more brains than her!
 
Me thinks someone should look into what kind of contacts she has with the people who just might be bidding to construct this new cable or is she has a finger in one of these super-duper make rich politicains even more rich whilst forgetting about the people consortiums.
 
Foot in the mouth

Geez these ministers barely get one foot out there mouth before the stick another one in.

Seriously this country is a joke in terms of telecoms.

I think these stats should be made public to all South Africans including prices that the majority shareholders are paying for this access.

after all we are the ones who keep bending over to get screwed over and over by these companies and ministers.
 
Corruption - the South African way!

Perhaps things in gov would flow a lot smoother if it was legislated that ministers get commission on deals that they setup? :rolleyes:

Then at least there would not be all the wheeling and dealing behind closed doors trying to hide their kickbacks from the public! Of course if they got legit kickbacks in the form of commission, u'd see ministers like Ivey setting up deals for 10 extra undersea cables, just for good measure! :mad:

IMO, it's all the unethical crap they get up that costs us delay after delay! :mad:

The masses vote them in, and it's the masses that are easiest to fool! :(
 
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IMO, it's all the unethical crap they get up that costs us delay after delay! :mad:

The masses vote them in, and it's the masses that are easiest to fool! :(
It was Thabo Mbeki that voted her Poisonous Ivyness into the seat of power that she continually abuses, IOW lay the blame for Ivy's incompetence squarely on Mbeki's shoulders - she is the minister that he chose, and she is the incompetent narcoleptic that Mbeki continues to inflict on the entire country - it is within his power to use a flame thrower on her ass & fire her...
 
A few assumptions:
1) Ivy is correct and SAT3 is being fully utilised
2) Telkom own 30% of SAT3.
3) Wholesale cost per Gb = R45.00

Now some simple maths.

120gbps * 0.3 = 36gbps
36gpbs = 4.5 GB/s
4.5GB/s = 270GB/Min = 16200GB/hr = 388800GB/Day

388800 * R45 = R17496000 / day

or R6.38 billion/yr

Prehaps fully utilised should not be interpreted as running at full capacity all the time, however the above calculations dont take into account any local bandwidth or cacheing.

Either Ivy is lying or we all should buy Telkom shares
 
Most telecoms experts that were contacted said that it is highly unlikely that the capacity on the system is fully utilized. Telkom confirmed this in an official response.
Finally the beast admitting to something. Question is what are they going to do about it. Some calculations to follow...
The Minister’s comments are thought to be part of her drive to promote the construction of a new submarine telecommunications cable system on the West coast of Africa.

While detailed information about this intended cable system is not yet available, it is closely linked to the needs of the projected square kilometer array telescope for which South Africa is bidding.
As clear a conflict of interest here as I have ever seen.


Let's do some calculations shall we...
Consider that we have about 200,000 broadband users in the country which is slowly but steadily growing. Consider that about 100,000 of them are adsl users. Yes, I know it is slightly more but our calculations should show it to be inconsequential.
100,000 users
3GB average allowed per month
30 days average per month
100,000 x 3 ÷ 30 ÷ (24x60x60) = 948.148Mb/s

Hang on! Surely that can't be right, let's take it step by step...
100,000 x 3GB = 300,000GB per month
300,000GB ÷ 30 days = 10,000GB per day
10,000GB ÷ (24x60x60) = 10,000GB ÷ 86,400 = 0.11574GB = 118.5185MB = 948.148Mb/s

Surely we must have made a mistake somewhere. Oh yes that's right, what about the dial-up users? Lets take them at 200,000 also and consider that they can download ten times the amount as on adsl. And the number of none Telkom customers? Take them at 100,000. And the few uncapped accounts? The none telkom customers using satellite bandwidth should make up for that bandwidth.

So, it's our original 100,000 + another 100,000 + 200,000 x 10 (the dial-up users). That's 2,200,000 or 22 x 948.148 = 20.37Gb/s. Also most bandwidth is used during business hours so they could be running at nearly 40Gb/s and bandwidth is scarce? With the calculation Telkom uses it indeed is. Reality can not be further from the truth. By far the greatest majority of the dial-up users are not very smart in managing their connection and only uses it to dial in and download their email/do a bit of browsing and hang up again without using nearly as much as adsl users. The 3GB Telkom account includes local bandwidth with people regularly using more being blacklisted. Most of the other accounts only have an additional local cap after the initial cap is reached which also counts towards local and international usage. So cut the 2,000,000 from the dial-up users in 10 and halve the broadband users which brings us back to 100,000+200,000. That only equals 3 x 948.148MB/s or <3GB/s.


Bwana: It is possible that Telkom invested the most, but that does not mean it owns the largest share. These things are rarely equal and is set by bids most of the time. Telkom must have thought that whatever share it has was worth paying $85million for. I think that VSNL owns the largest share of the cable itself as it is one of the main initiators of the project and such a large company. The thing is they likely paid less than Telkom for a larger share. What happens is that a group of potential investors meets with the coordinators of the project. They then offer up a share of say 10% and the investors bid on this. They then end up with one investor or a few investors owning that 10% together. Depending on how many investors there are, how much they are willing to spend, and how large a share is left it is even possible that someone might pay less for a 20% share later on than for a 10% share earlier on. But because the shareholders agreement is confidential we really don't know who owns what, how much they paid for it unless they disclose it, or even how the price was set and everything we know is just speculation really. The secrecy was agreed to by the shareholders/owners/coordinators and not the government.

With Telkom having exclusive right to the landing station however I really don't think Verizon or even Neotel could know exactly how much bandwidth is being sent over the SAT-3 cable by Telkom unless they have the right to install monitoring equipment at the landing station.
 
"However the phenomenal growth in broadband"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OMG so funny. My stomach is hurting. Hahaha LOL LMFAO. LMFAOROFL.
 
stupid communications minister is an idiot and needs to be dragged off her high and mighty position. All she does is once every 6 months (fat as a pig) make an appearance and talk about ****!

I think my dog has more brains than her!

You compare your dog to the minister? Poor dog. You must certainly dispise the poor thing.
 
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