Mobile Operating Sytem app wars

[cmyplay]

You get to choose the hardware, unlike the iPhone.

What you don't understand is that an iPhone user chooses the entire device. I don't have to worry that Android 2.8 Marzipan will take 18 months to finally become available to my phone.
If you have so much choice, why don't you port Maemo onto your Galaxy S? Or Symbian? Or WP 7? Somehow this doesn't seem to be the openness that people are craving.

Can you run Android on an iPhone? See point 1.

How is this a counter argument?

You make a good argument.... oh wait.

Glad to see that your grasp on the practices of debate are so well developed.

Ever downloaded a dodgy track off Limewire? The point is - if you are an ignorant noob you will get crapped on by spammers, hackers, keygens, trojans etc.

Is that what you'll tell your mom when a malicious Android app steals her identity?

Haha, how mature. If Google stops doing what they are doing the way that I and millions of others prefer, then I will move on to the next company.

Oh, it's about numbers then? What do you have to say to all of the millions of Britney Spears fans?

Your argument is weak: you want to install any OS on any phone you choose; you everyone to install any app they want but it's the user's fault that there are no preventative measures to ensure security on the device; and you're right because everyone else is doing it.

 

[cmyplay]

My impression thus far is that there a many very good apps available in the Android App store, many by the same creators of apps for Apple devices. Further the “type” of individuals that seem to gravitate towards Android also seem to be the type that will create a solution if none exist where Apple users seem to be just too happy with whatever get provided to them.

What does this even mean?

My Android phone is significantly more customisable than an iPhone will EVER be, plus rooting it was not nearly as big a deal as jailbreaking an iPhone.

This proves what I've thought for a while now. The type of person that jailbreaks an iPhone is the same type of person who will root an Android phone. It provides essentially the same function, higher access. If you're not happy with the restrictions you're going to find your way around them, just don't start complaining if something goes wrong.

It’s my phone, I paid for it, if I want to mess with it, you are not allowed to have a say.

I'm right with you there. I built a heat ray out of my microwave. Works a treat on teh kitteh next door.

 

[ChilliPepper]

Actually some pretty poor points.

My girlfriend loves Apple products which means there is a iPod classic, iPod Touch and iPad in my house. To transfer anything to any of these devices Apple forces me to use iTunes. Because I am fortunate enough to own non Apple hardware I could purchase software that allows me to sync these devices with Windows Media Player, which I prefer. Apple has attempted to stop this software from working with their products on many occasions.

You have now introduced the car analogy. Would you be happy if after purchasing your Audi you are informed that you are only allowed to refill at BP service stations, only put Firestone tyres on and only have it washed at the car wash 200km away.

At no point did I state that I would expect Apple to replace the product if I break it, but Apple has applied for a patent for hardware that will allow them to brick your phone should you jailbreak it. In my book that is them breaking the phone, not me. I am also amazed that anybody would spend +-R8000 on a phone and then not want to make any changes on how they interact with it.

I agree totaly with

Perhaps there won't be a victor per se. We rattle on about a "battle" and a "winner". Surely, as those who so vigorously support Android preach, choice should be the decider? I choose a closed system, with the hardware and software made by the same company. Someone else chooses an open platform, with varied forms of an open OS on dissimilar hardware. Yes there are huge differences in the two but surely it is my choice which platform I choose?

but have my doubts that attempting to control how people use your product is sustainable.

 

[cmyplay]

Here is my real life example:

I like to read ebooks on my phone, but my HTC Desire has hardware lights that stay on when I read in the dark. It hurts my eyes and the standard Android OS does not allow for it to be turned off. Bummer right? Wrong.

Some bright individual wrote an app (for rooted Android phones) to turn off those lights. Works flawlessly. Would I be able to do this on an iPhone? Chances are, no. So what then, I must stick a piece of tape on it? What?

Android = options.

iBooks does this as a standard setting: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibooks/id364709193?mt=8#
BAZINGA!

 

[ChilliPepper]

I'm right with you there. I built a heat ray out of my microwave. Works a treat on teh kitteh next door.

Please explain to me how allowing me to customise a phone is comparable to you harming innocent defenceless animals?

 

[cmyplay]

Please explain to me how allowing me to customise a phone is comparable to you harming innocent defenceless animals?

Please explain how not modifying your phone causes it to work less effectively?

 

[Cloud]

What you don't understand is that an iPhone user chooses the entire device. I don't have to worry that Android 2.8 Marzipan will take 18 months to finally become available to my phone.
If you have so much choice, why don't you port Maemo onto your Galaxy S? Or Symbian? Or WP 7? Somehow this doesn't seem to be the openness that people are craving.

What you don't understand is that you are painting iPhone users are lazy and stupid, not wanting to explore other options or make informed decisions. I don't port Maemo or all that other crap onto my phone cause it is inferior. I want to run my phone OS on a device of my own choice that does not need some retarded bracket to maintain reception.

How is this a counter argument?

Your point was that monopolies are great because they force everything into one package - therefore their decision. My counter argument - you have a choice with the hardware of your phone when you decide to go for Android, which is akin to the free market (the point you so elogantly countered with "weaksauce").

Glad to see that your

Yeah, the sarcasm was obviously lost on you.

Is that what you'll tell your mom when a malicious Android app steals her identity?

Moms generally don't know how to use smartphones, be it an iPhone or Android phone. Give her a Nokia.

Oh, it's about numbers then? What do you have to say to all of the millions of Britney Spears fans?

No - let me spell it out for you. C-H-O-I-C-E. If you choose something because it is good, then choose something else because it is better, then you are not a "fanboy".

Your argument is weak: you want to install any OS on any phone you choose; you everyone to install any app they want but it's the user's fault that there are no preventative measures to ensure security on the device; and you're right because everyone else is doing it.

No, way to miss the point entirely. You run the OS that you like on a number of different hardware based phones that you get to pick. You can then modify and do crazy things with the device because the OS allows it.

It comes down to Britney Spears sheeple (that's sheep like people before you ask) who want to be spoonfed and love to be told what to do. Apple users.

VS

Indie band supporting, free thinking innovate users who love to discover new uses for their devices and to collaborate and share ideas on an open platform. Android users.

(this is gonna hurt).

 

[ChilliPepper]

Please explain how not modifying your phone causes it to work less effectively?

The phone is less effective if it can not be adapted to how I work. Thats how.

 

[cmyplay]

What you don't understand is that you are painting iPhone users are lazy and stupid, not wanting to explore other options or make informed decisions. I don't port Maemo or all that other crap onto my phone cause it is inferior. I want to run my phone OS on a device of my own choice that does not need some retarded bracket to maintain reception.

You're painting Android users as clones of Neo from the Matrix. You phone isn't going to lead to your salvation. It's a phone. Some people like Android. Some people like iOS. Those that like iOS choose to use it on the latest iPhone hardware. If you don't like either, you're welcome to refrain from purchasing it. That's a choice, in case it flew over your head.

Your point was that monopolies are great because they force everything into one package - therefore their decision. My counter argument - you have a choice with the hardware of your phone when you decide to go for Android, which is akin to the free market (the point you so elogantly countered with "weaksauce").

My point was that I like that all of the features of the OS will work properly with all of the hardware elements. I'm also glad that it'll work the same across other models of the devices because both hands know what the other is doing. Your point still isn't coming across, because the only OS you can install on Android phones is Android.

Yeah, the sarcasm was obviously lost on you.

That's rhetoric, look it up.

Moms generally don't know how to use smartphones, be it an iPhone or Android phone. Give her a Nokia.

But she really, really wants a smartphone. Please. Please Pleaaaaase. - That's another choice, for the record.

No - let me spell it out for you. C-H-O-I-C-E. If you choose something because it is good, then choose something else because it is better, then you are not a "fanboy".

So you're an Elitist-Fanboy?

No, way to miss the point entirely. You run the OS that you like on a number of different hardware based phones that you get to pick. You can then modify and do crazy things with the device because the OS allows it.

It comes down to Britney Spears sheeple (that's sheep like people before you ask) who want to be spoonfed and love to be told what to do. Apple users.

VS

Indie band supporting, free thinking innovate users who love to discover new uses for their devices and to collaborate and share ideas on an open platform. Android users.

What collaborations are you doing? What ideas are you sharing? What Indie are you supporting? I haven't seen a single thing on either OS that the other cannot do.

(this is gonna hurt).[/QUOTE]

What, are you trying to upgrade to 2.8 Marzipan?

 

[Cloud]

iBooks does this as a standard setting: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibooks/id364709193?mt=8#
BAZINGA!

Well done, but what if I didn't like the specs or design of the iPhone? Like the much publicized antenna debacle. Or if I wanted a SUPER Amoled screen?

I would have to wait for Apple to bring out a phone that has these features. You are forced to use their hardware.

 

[cmyplay]

Well done, but what if I didn't like the specs or design of the iPhone? Like the much publicized antenna debacle. Or if I wanted a SUPER Amoled screen?

I would have to wait for Apple to bring out a phone that has these features. You are forced to use their hardware.

Much publicized and little substance. I think it has been overblown. By the way, how's the GPS accuracy on your Galaxy S?

If a Super-AMOLED screen is a deal-breaker, then you're nitpicking.

 

[Cloud]

You're painting Android users as clones of Neo from the Matrix. .....

..............So you're an Elitist-Fanboy?

Ok, clearly this is a waste of time. You display the characteristics of a typical iPhone user. Continuing to argue about this with you is futile.

Android runs on hardware that others make. iOS does not.

Done, argument over.

Choose.

 

[cmyplay]

The phone is less effective if it can not be adapted to how I work. Thats how.

I'm still with you. I modified my Picanto so that my front tyres pop-out like the Batpod.

 

[cmyplay]

You display the characteristics of a typical iPhone user.

Eloquence, sophistication and a debonair sense of self? Why thank you.

Android runs on hardware that others make. iOS does not.

Precisely. I still don't see how this is a negative.

Choose.

I have. And "millions of others" have too.

 

[Cloud]

Eloquence, sophistication and a debonair sense of self? Why thank you.



Precisely. I still don't see how this is a negative.



I have. And "millions of others" have too.

Haha, what a troll. Keep deluding yourself buddy.

And thanks for the laughs

 

[cmyplay]

And thanks for the laughs

I respect your lifestyle choice, but I don't swing that way.

 

[Cloud]

I respect your lifestyle choice, but I don't swing that way.

Again, keep up the delusion. I realise that is probably the only way you can face your "reality".

And sorry, I've run out of food to feed you. Perhaps try trolling another thread for a bit? I'm going home.

 

[Cloud]

One last thing...

I just checked all the threads that you posted in cmyplay and 95% of them relate to either Apple or Android, spanning from Apple media players, desktops to mobile phones. In each thread you either start a fight and attack the Android users or tell everyone how brilliant Apple products are. You mention that you have Apple products at home and at work...

If I didn't know any better I would say you worked for Apple?

Mods, please check this out, this guy has hardly been on the forum for four months and all he does is troll and start flame wars.

 

[Maddmatt]

My point was that I like that all of the features of the OS will work properly with all of the hardware elements. I'm also glad that it'll work the same across other models of the devices because both hands know what the other is doing.

Hows is this a relevant point? Are you saying Android has problems in these areas? Maybe with crappy phone manufacturers, but with the decent ones that doesn't seem like a problem to me.

Your point still isn't coming across, because the only OS you can install on Android phones is Android.

Wrong!
It's not something the average user would do, but porting an OS to a different phone is nothing new. You can get a fully functional Ubuntu installation on Android phones, some people would have a use for that I guess.
Some Windows Mobile phones have had Android ported. Some iPhone model(s) has a working version of Android created by some clever hackers.
Not mainstream territory, but it happens.

But she really, really wants a smartphone. Please. Please Pleaaaaase. - That's another choice, for the record.

If she can't handle an Android phone then she can't handle a smartphone. They really aren't any more difficult. Malicious stuff is removed from the App Market. If you venture elsewhere to get apps, then it's no different to a PC, except that malicious stuff isn't as common yet. But you're free to take that chance if you want, there's even an unofficial Android app store out there for porn apps (pretty pointless I guess). Just like a computer, all it takes is some common sense.

 

[BeVonk!]

This looks like the debates under the philosophy section ... LOL!