Mobile Operating Sytem app wars

[cmyplay]

Haha, are you related to Bees Roux? I see you live in the same area.

Ouch, you really got me there. I don't know how I'll recover from that one.

Seriously, can't you stick to the issue? What benefits to the average smartphone user does the open marketplace hold for a mobile platform?

 

[Cloud]

rhetoric |ˈretərik|
noun
the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, esp. the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.
• language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content

bull****:

1. (vulgar, slang) False or exaggerated statements made to impress the listener rather than deceive.

Don't pay any attention to him. He talks a lot of bull****.

Yeah, this forum is a real breeding ground for the future of our species.

Look at that awesome rhetoric at work!

Queer is such a dirty word, are you a bigot?

Are you denying you were insinuating that I was gay? What's with the "rectum" and "swing that way" talk? Quick, use your rhetoric defense!

Please, convince me that Android is superior to every single OS out there. In many of my previous posts I've shown that I'm open minded about technology. I'm open to your opinion. Tell me what you think makes it superior - and don't tell me it's the openness, I'd like some substance to your reply.

Please, read this thread again in its entirety. The points have been made over and over. You have not, and will not be convinced since you choose not to. Heck, even with a gun in your face you will probably still cry Apple when the shot goes off.

I suspect a moderator will kill this thread soon, or at the least wipe our posts. At least now I know what your agenda is.

 

[Ewoklive]

cmyplay, I don't want to see you play on your apples. Let me put a spanner in the works, lets talk about Blackberrie's RIM and the new OS 6.

 

[cmyplay]

bull****:

1. (vulgar, slang) False or exaggerated statements made to impress the listener rather than deceive.

Don't pay any attention to him. He talks a lot of bull****.

I have not been vulgar. On one occasion I've even advocated against profanity. I'm not sure who you're talking to in that last line but I'm pretty sure no-one else is interested.

Look at that awesome rhetoric at work!

That's called model construction/destruction and it's a real method of debate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate#Model_Construction_.2F_Destruction

Are you denying you were insinuating that I was gay? What's with the "rectum" and "swing that way" talk? Quick, use your rhetoric defense!

I was following your cue of using honest, sincere prior postings out-of-context. Seriously though, are you a bigot?

Please, read this thread again in its entirety. The points have been made over and over. You have not, and will not be convinced since you choose not to. Heck, even with a gun in your face you will probably still cry Apple when the shot goes off.

I have read it. I still find no compelling reason for the average end-user to prefer an open marketplace. I've even refuted a number of of your specific claims of superiority that this openness brings. I have yet to see you refute anything I've said with anything other than hot air.

I suspect a moderator will kill this thread soon, or at the least wipe our posts. At least now I know what your agenda is.

That would be convenient, if I posted what you did, I wouldn't want anyone to see it either.

 

[Cloud]

cmyplay, prove to me that you are not a troll:

go.

 

[cmyplay]

cmyplay, I don't want to see you play on your apples. Let me put a spanner in the works, lets talk about Blackberrie's RIM and the new OS 6.

Sure, I think that Blackberry has the right idea. We know that the OS will run close to optimally because it's installed on a device that was designed in house. I'm just not convinced that Blackberry has done enough to bring it up to scratch with iOS or Android. But I don't see that being an issue in South Africa. I've said it before, it's very difficult to argue with free internet and free email.

 

[cmyplay]

cmyplay, prove to me that you are not a troll:

go.

I've already admitted to being a troll. That doesn't change the fact that I'm not convinced by your arguments. You, however, have dodged every opportunity to prove yourself.

 

[Cloud]

I've already admitted to being a troll. That doesn't change the fact that I'm not convinced by your arguments. You, however, have dodged every opportunity to prove yourself.

Thank you. Arguing with a troll is pointless.

 

[Ewoklive]

I do believe within the next couple of months BB will offer great models but came from a different target market so I guess 'catching up' are the words. I think what Cloud is saying has some relevance as free market opens up a lot more opportunities. I agree that the average user won't utilise all of this but you have to start somewhere. Point made but Monopoly worldwide has gone on for far too long and lets face it Apple products are way too expensive and have more of an 'elite' tag associated to it. It used to be 'amazing' 6 yrs ago but is slowly becoming level with other products out there.

 

[cmyplay]

Thank you. Arguing with a troll is pointless.

You must be some sort of evil genius.

 

[Cloud]

Ewoklive, I agree with you there.

The market is changing and the business models have to adapt. Pretty soon the "elite" tag that Apple carries will not mean much as guys drive around their cars with their Android powered devices

And cmyplay, the is referring to me jesting. That lesson is free.

 

[cmyplay]

I do believe within the next couple of months BB will offer great models but came from a different target market so I guess 'catching up' are the words. I think what Cloud is saying has some relevance as free market opens up a lot more opportunities. I agree that the average user won't utilise all of this but you have to start somewhere.

I hope RIM resolves the issues plaguing their secure servers - external problems to be sure. Sure there are opportunities, specifically for developers. But I don't see what the advantage is if the average user doesn't make use of this openness. I feel like it's a cop-out.

Point made but Monopoly worldwide has gone on for far too long and lets face it Apple products are way too expensive and have more of an 'elite' tag associated to it.

What monopoly? I don't see any monopoly.

becoming level with other products out there.

That may be, but with every new smartphone coming out being dubbed an "iPhone killer" I think it still sits at the top of the pile. Even if everyone catches up, that doesn't mean that Android or BBOS is better than iOS and vice versa.

 

[Ewoklive]

I hope RIM resolves the issues plaguing their secure servers - external problems to be sure. Sure there are opportunities, specifically for developers. But I don't see what the advantage is if the average user doesn't make use of this openness. I feel like it's a cop-out.

The issues plaguing their secure servers might be an issue to some but its what made them so successful in the Corporate World. SECURE. Just because Goverments want to spy on their people or stop 'Terrorist' activity doesn't mean BB should now roll over. It's what makes it so good that can cause terrorist's to be protected. Flip side to most technologies.

What monopoly? I don't see any monopoly.

You don't believe Apple is a monopoly?

Let me quote what you previously mentioned?

"The article says that a manufacturer should take more control of the entire product, hardware, software and application environment. Like Samsung has done, like Apple has done. If a company becomes a monopoly because they manage the entire product then I'm all for monopolies."

That may be, but with every new smartphone coming out being dubbed an "iPhone killer" I think it still sits at the top of the pile. Even if everyone catches up, that doesn't mean that Android or BBOS is better than iOS and vice versa.

No I agree it doesn't make it better but free fun apps (first apps) is what made the Iphone which is what?? moot - Android can be used on multiple devices - There is a reason why HTC, Samsung etc all can have this OS. It's support spans wider than what iOS or BBOS will ever achieve and I think that's what makes it better not that its playing catch up.

 

[undesign]

I don't know much about the different operating systems - recently moved to BB from many years of Nokia Symbian. My question is - is Android fairly simple to use for the layman on street? As a non-user (no experiece with Android whatsoever) I get the idea that it is more complicated than other OS's in terms of various versions, ROMs (?), compatibility etc.

 

[cmyplay]

No I agree it doesn't make it better but free fun apps (first apps) is what made the Iphone which is what?? moot - Android can be used on multiple devices - There is a reason why HTC, Samsung etc all can have this OS. It's support spans wider than what iOS or BBOS will ever achieve and I think that's what makes it better not that its playing catch up.

I'm not sure I get your point about fun free apps.

So the fact that it's so widespread is what's advantageous? But that means it's a monopoly in the making, like Windows in the PC market.
Great, I agree that a widespread solution is necessary to advance the quality of the mobile space. The problem is that diluting the OS so much means that it'll eventually end up like Symbian, on every single phone out there but no-one really likes it anymore. RIM or Apple wanting their devices to be proprietary doesn't make them evil.

 

[Cloud]

Proprieteraty hardware / software and the whole DRM debacle - not so great.

Apple went proprietary on their Macs around the time IBM machines went global. Today the numbers speak for themselves.

With a company the size of Google behind Android, I doubt anyone will lose interest in it any time soon.

 

[cmyplay]

Proprieteraty hardware / software and the whole DRM debacle - not so great.

I don't understand what you're saying? Do you want to pirate software?

Apple went proprietary on their Macs around the time IBM machines went global. Today the numbers speak for themselves.

What does that mean? Is Windows better because the user-base is bigger?

With a company the size of Google behind Android, I doubt anyone will lose interest in it any time soon.

Hello! Apple is the biggest consumer tech company in the world: http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...rosoft-in-market-capitalization-update3-.html
This argument is moot.

 

[Cloud]

Ok, I'm not going to get into a mudslinging match with a troll again.

DRM is meant to restrict piracy, instead it causes more hastles for legitimate users. Like paying for a song and not being able to listen to it on your MP3 player. Apple is trying to do the same by dictating what you can do with hardware that you purchased from them.

There are more PC's in the world than Macs because it is better supported by more software and you can install any OS you want on it.

Google profit - US$6.520 billion (2009) <> Apple profit US$8.24 billion (2009) -> not bad for a company who makes no hardware? Point is, they are not a small firm.

 

[BeVonk!]

These "mine is bigger than your's" debates are useless people, just like those in the philosophy section. Those who want to buy Apple will buy Apple for their own reasons and those who like Android are most welcome to buy into that platform. If we were given free handsets by these companies the loyalty resulting in the abbrasive debates can be justified, but seeing that our purchases makes others rich we should always do whatever is best for us at a given time no matter the brand/make. I'm a happy BlackBerry user. I'm also a happy iPod Touch user. And I'm willing to give Android a go. What's the use of limiting your own choices through brand loyalty?

 

[Rocket-Boy]

cmyplay, I don't want to see you play on your apples. Let me put a spanner in the works, lets talk about Blackberrie's RIM and the new OS 6.

Ewok! hey where have you been hiding? been looking for you on the battlefield.