Mobile Operating Sytem app wars

Yeah Bevonk!, that is my sentiments exactly.

I own an iPod 60Gb and a Nano, I dig it. Have an Android phone and use a PC at thome. Also use Firefox as a browser. Choice is awesome.

That is why I commented "Android users are not morons" on the article you posted, referring to the fact that you can choose to not go with a carrier that brands their phone or to just purchase a phone without a contract.
 
DRM is meant to restrict piracy, instead it causes more hastles for legitimate users.

Is there a DRMgate that happened when I wasn't looking?

Like paying for a song and not being able to listen to it on your MP3 player. Apple is trying to do the same by dictating what you can do with hardware that you purchased from them.

iTunes has offered DRM-free music since 2007. Playable on any MP3 compatible device. I haven't found a gap in the App Store yet, but you'll be the first to know when I do.

There are more PC's in the world than Macs because it is better supported by more software and you can install any OS you want on it.

I haven't found a gap in the Mac environment yet, but you'll be the first to know when I do.

Google profit - US$6.520 billion (2009) <> Apple profit US$8.24 billion (2009) -> not bad for a company who makes no hardware? Point is, they are not a small firm.

Microsoft was that big before they started making their own hardware. And the sky is blue. Thanks for clearing that up.

Those who want to buy Apple will buy Apple for their own reasons and those who like Android are most welcome to buy into that platform.

That's precisely the choice that I see. Use it, don't use it, just stop bitching at me because I do use it (referring to his Cloudness).
 
Peoples opinions are always going to differ, that is the nature of humans.
My take on the PD sections is very similar to this debate. People will not change their opinions based on what you have to say or what you believe, all that is going to happen in these situations is that you will try to convince the other party that what you believe is correct.
I have owned two android devices and im extremely happy with it. The amount of customization suits me perfectly and I know linux so I can do some pretty cool things with it. I dont doubt that apple and its phone are simple to use and quite effective, the sales figures do say alot in that respect. Im happy for everyone to use what ever they are happiest with, its just the fanboi nature of the usual arguments that annoys me.

Its been said numerous times before that if you want a simple to use nice looking smartphone then get an apple, if you want something that you can customize and tweak to do exactly what you want then get an android.
 
Peoples opinions are always going to differ, that is the nature of humans.
My take on the PD sections is very similar to this debate. People will not change their opinions based on what you have to say or what you believe, all that is going to happen in these situations is that you will try to convince the other party that what you believe is correct.
I have owned two android devices and im extremely happy with it. The amount of customization suits me perfectly and I know linux so I can do some pretty cool things with it. I dont doubt that apple and its phone are simple to use and quite effective, the sales figures do say alot in that respect. Im happy for everyone to use what ever they are happiest with, its just the fanboi nature of the usual arguments that annoys me.

Its been said numerous times before that if you want a simple to use nice looking smartphone then get an apple, if you want something that you can customize and tweak to do exactly what you want then get an android.

Well put.
 
Rocket! long time...seems like my bf2/bc2 gaming have come to a halt, i'm concentrating on ArmA2 OA. I'm hungry for squad play and less arcade playing on my own. I miss the bf2 playing though will all the voip buddies!

BB ftw! hehe
 
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2006956,00.html

The iPhone Jailbreak: A Win Against Copyright Creep


"Over the years, Apple has become almost as well known for the tight control it imposes on its innovations as for the tech and marketing genius behind them. If you buy an iPhone in the U.S., for instance, Apple makes you use AT&T as your carrier and it requires you to buy any new applications from its App Store."

"The jailbreaking battle is part of a larger war raging right now over copyright law. Corporations have been pushing to extend copyright protections further than they were intended to go, to reduce competition and increase their profits. This week's ruling pushes back against this copyright mission creep."

"Apple's rules for the iPhone are pretty unusual. When you buy a television, you can choose between a cable or satellite provider (and in some cases a telephone provider as well) and watch any TV shows you want. When you buy a DVD player, you can play any DVDs. But buyers of iPhones are told precisely what they can buy and where they have to buy it."

"Now the Library of Congress, which operates the Copyright Office, has taken away Apple's copyright argument. Jailbreaking is "fair use," it decided, and therefore not a copyright violation."

"Apple's attack on jailbreaking is only the latest in a long line of attempts by large corporations to extend copyright law farther than it should go"

Yeah, I don't want a phone made by a company that is out to nail its users.
 
Peoples opinions are always going to differ, that is the nature of humans.
My take on the PD sections is very similar to this debate. People will not change their opinions based on what you have to say or what you believe, all that is going to happen in these situations is that you will try to convince the other party that what you believe is correct.
I have owned two android devices and im extremely happy with it. The amount of customization suits me perfectly and I know linux so I can do some pretty cool things with it. I dont doubt that apple and its phone are simple to use and quite effective, the sales figures do say alot in that respect. Im happy for everyone to use what ever they are happiest with, its just the fanboi nature of the usual arguments that annoys me.

Its been said numerous times before that if you want a simple to use nice looking smartphone then get an apple, if you want something that you can customize and tweak to do exactly what you want then get an android.

Yes, that is what I believe as well. That is why I chose an Android phone.

I prefer more open platforms vs closed platforms, contrary to what the article states. I also believe that is the way things will work in the future. This is my opinion.
 
"Over the years, Apple has become almost as well known for the tight control it imposes on its innovations as for the tech and marketing genius behind them. If you buy an iPhone in the U.S., for instance, Apple makes you use AT&T as your carrier and it requires you to buy any new applications from its App Store."

Ok then, can I please buy a Samsung Galaxy S Fascinate on T-Mobile?

"When you buy a DVD player, you can play any DVDs."

I still can't play Region 1 DVD's without having to resort to VLC and the like. This goes for Windows machines as well.

From the same article:
Yet if companies like Apple are taking too extreme a position in the war over copyright, so is the other side. A growing anticopyright movement has emerged in recent years. Using the rallying cry "Information wants to be free," it argues that protection of intellectual property should be scaled way back. If this side prevails, there is a real danger that creativity will be stifled because artists and inventors will not be adequately compensated for their work — and they may lose their incentive to produce.

Sounds a bit like you there, Cloud.
 
Yes, that is what I believe as well. That is why I chose an Android phone.

I prefer more open platforms vs closed platforms, contrary to what the article states. I also believe that is the way things will work in the future. This is my opinion.

The uptake of developers for android has been very good and there are some really innovative solutions coming out. I also prefer open platforms and that is why I run android, but I generally like opensource stuff anyway.
cmyplay prefers apple and the way they do things which is perfectly fine if he/she is happy to do things the way they want them done. I cant live with being told what I can and cant do with a device I have purchased but I know many people that are more than happy to do so. In both worlds there will be people that will use a small amount of functionality on either device and never actually tap in the wide accessibility that a smartphone offers.
 
I cant live with being told what I can and cant do with a device I have purchased but I know many people that are more than happy to do so. In both worlds there will be people that will use a small amount of functionality on either device and never actually tap in the wide accessibility that a smartphone offers.

Precisely, to each his own. But I still don't see where this limit is. I haven't found it yet. That's what I've been saying. Show me what I'm supposedly missing and I'll concede.
 
Precisely, to each his own. But I still don't see where this limit is. I haven't found it yet. That's what I've been saying. Show me what I'm supposedly missing and I'll concede.

Well its like this for me, Im a linux admin so I cant write scripts and make it do things I would not be able to make an apple phone do. In the apple do you have access to the kernel on the backend to write scripts? On my android I can, I have a number of scripts that do things like remote monitor servers. I can run scheduled tasks and operations on the phone and on my servers. I can also make kernel changes that add functionality to my phone like openvpn and cpu speed controllers(these save battery quite nicely)
 
Well its like this for me, Im a linux admin so I cant write scripts and make it do things I would not be able to make an apple phone do. In the apple do you have access to the kernel on the backend to write scripts? On my android I can, I have a number of scripts that do things like remote monitor servers. I can run scheduled tasks and operations on the phone and on my servers. I can also make kernel changes that add functionality to my phone like openvpn and cpu speed controllers(these save battery quite nicely)

Don't you need to root it to gain such access?
 
Don't you need to root it to gain such access?

It needs to be rooted for the Openvpn and for popping custom kernels in. It didnt require rooting for the scripting side of things. I honestly dont feel I have gained anything by rooting other than the Openvpn which required a new shell to operate. It would be quite simple for me to restore the unrooted state of the phone but then I would have to get into my networks the hard way again :(
 
It needs to be rooted for the Openvpn and for popping custom kernels in. It didnt require rooting for the scripting side of things. I honestly dont feel I have gained anything by rooting other than the Openvpn which required a new shell to operate. It would be quite simple for me to restore the unrooted state of the phone but then I would have to get into my networks the hard way again :(

I see what you're saying about scripting. Tell me, could you tether before rooting?
 
cmyplay, this should keep you busy for a while:

On iOS, you can't move a picture from a friend's computer onto your phone.

On iOS, you can't shoot a movie with a video camera, move the SD card onto your phone, and copy the movie onto your phone.

On iOS, if you're in a hurry and need to move a song from your computer to your phone quickly, you still have to launch iTunes and sync, because iOS doesn't allow drag and drop from a computer folder.

On iOS, you can't move your Word/Excel/Powerpoint document from your computer, work on it on your phone/device, save it, and move the updated document back onto your computer.

On iOS, you can't use your phone as a storage device.

On iOS, you can't say "Dial Blockbuster near [your zip code]" and have your phone go to the web, find the number, and dial it, all without typing anything.

On iOS, you can't make your own song, or use your own remix, as a ringtone.

On iOS, you CAN have a browser that's slower at showing a web page.

On iOS, you can't use Flash for your internet. Therefore, you can't see content on BILLIONS of web pages, from videos, to animation, to games.

On iOS, you can't use SWYPE, the Guiness world-record holder for fastest way to text.

On iOS, if you don't like your touchscreen keyboard, you can't download an app to replace your touchscreen keyboard.

On iOS, you can't have your touchscreen keyboard vibrate everytime you type a letter to give you better feedback.

On iOS, you can't receive notifications about your apps, your texts, and other usage items unless that app is on.

On iOS, you can't check the weather without launching an app, because widgets are not allowed.

On iOS, you can't turn on Wi-Fi or Bluetooth, by clicking on a customized screen button, or widget. You have to go into settings.

On iOS, you can't see updates to your social networking websites, like Facebook, unless you launch an app, because iOS doesn't allow widgets.

On iOS, you can't pick a different size screen.

On iOS, if you want a real keyboard, you can't get one.

On iOS, you can't get a phone with a faster processor.

On iOS, you can't get a phone with more RAM memory.

On iOS, you can't get a phone with an HDMI port so that you can connect your phone to your TV and watch a movie you downloaded from Netflix/Blockbuster in HD.

On iOS, you can't have more buttons in case you're faster with buttons.

On iOS, you can't use your device as a wireless internet router so your laptop can get online. Hot-Spot capability is unavailable.

On iOS, if all your family and friends are on wireless carrier [X], you can't use that carrier, because your phone/device is available on limited carriers.

What iOS can't, Android does.
 
Tethering:
So does iPhone & iPhone did it first. (Cydia)
WRONG - iphone didnt do it first. My old WinMo device did it a long time ago. And Cydia means you have no choice but to jailbreak your phone, void your warranty etc etc.

It turns your phone into a WiFi hotspot:
So does iPhone & iPhone did it first, via bluetooth.
WRONG - Again iphone didnt do it first. Again, My old WinMo device did it a long time ago. And Cydia means you have no choice but to jailbreak your phone, void your warranty etc etc.

It has open apps:
So does iPhone & iPhone did it first (Cydia)
WRONG - Cydia means you have no choice but to jailbreak your phone, void your warranty etc etc. a 3rd party offered this. but not apple.

It multi-tasks:
So does iPhone & iPhone did it first (Cydia)
WRONG - Cydia means you have no choice but to jailbreak your phone, void your warranty etc etc. a 3rd party offered this. but not apple.

It has better browsers:
The iPhone has Safari and Opera and they are great browsers.
Really? no flash? poor rendering speeds? ok. sure. "THEY ARE GREAT BROWSERS" says the iZombie.

You really shot yourself in the foot with this one didnt you? Cydia has nothing to do with apple but yet it provides the apps that apple users want more and more. But apple wont let you. Unless you actively rebel against their policies.

And you support this?
 
On iOS, you can't move a picture from a friend's computer onto your phone.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/air-sharing/id289943355?mt=8

On iOS, you can't shoot a movie with a video camera, move the SD card onto your phone, and copy the movie onto your phone.

Are you a budding Scorsese? I doubt it. It'll take a bit longer to do it, but it can still be done - although without the SD card functionality.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/air-sharing/id289943355?mt=8

On iOS, if you're in a hurry and need to move a song from your computer to your phone quickly, you still have to launch iTunes and sync, because iOS doesn't allow drag and drop from a computer folder.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/air-sharing/id289943355?mt=8

On iOS, you can't move your Word/Excel/Powerpoint document from your computer, work on it on your phone/device, save it, and move the updated document back onto your computer.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/documents-to-go-office-suite/id317117961?mt=8

On iOS, you can't use your phone as a storage device.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/air-sharing/id289943355?mt=8

On iOS, you can't say "Dial Blockbuster near [your zip code]" and have your phone go to the web, find the number, and dial it, all without typing anything.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dragon-search/id341452950?mt=8#

On iOS, you can't make your own song, or use your own remix, as a ringtone.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/nlog-free-synth/id314134854?mt=8
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ringtone-designer-pro/id383819300?mt=8

On iOS, you CAN have a browser that's slower at showing a web page.

Subjective twaddle.

On iOS, you can't use Flash for your internet. Therefore, you can't see content on BILLIONS of web pages, from videos, to animation, to games.

I'm sure there are better ways for you to waste your battery.

On iOS, you can't use SWYPE, the Guiness world-record holder for fastest way to text.

http://www.mobileclues.com/iphone-4-breaks-worlds-fastest-text-messaging-record

On iOS, if you don't like your touchscreen keyboard, you can't download an app to replace your touchscreen keyboard.

I don't need to. My keyboard works great from the get go.

On iOS, you can't have your touchscreen keyboard vibrate everytime you type a letter to give you better feedback.

Now you're just nitpicking again

On iOS, you can't receive notifications about your apps, your texts, and other usage items unless that app is on.

Push notifications are built-in. Fail.

On iOS, you can't check the weather without launching an app, because widgets are not allowed.

Nitpicking.

On iOS, you can't turn on Wi-Fi or Bluetooth, by clicking on a customized screen button, or widget. You have to go into settings.

Nitpicking

On iOS, you can't see updates to your social networking websites, like Facebook, unless you launch an app, because iOS doesn't allow widgets.

Nitpicking

On iOS, you can't pick a different size screen.

That's retarded.

On iOS, if you want a real keyboard, you can't get one.

Nitpicking

On iOS, you can't get a phone with a faster processor.

What, are you upgrading your phone's internals? This is non-sensical

On iOS, you can't get a phone with more RAM memory.

What, are you upgrading your phone's internals? This is non-sensical

On iOS, you can't get a phone with an HDMI port so that you can connect your phone to your TV and watch a movie you downloaded from Netflix/Blockbuster in HD.

http://gizmodo.com/5634087/forget-apple-tv-airplay-is-apples-sneak-attack-on-television

On iOS, you can't have more buttons in case you're faster with buttons.

Nitpicking

On iOS, you can't use your device as a wireless internet router so your laptop can get online. Hot-Spot capability is unavailable.

Granted, that's a useful built in option. However: http://www.clear.com/spot/ispot

On iOS, if all your family and friends are on wireless carrier [X], you can't use that carrier, because your phone/device is available on limited carriers.

What rock are you living under? I can use an iPhone on any carrier in South Africa.

What iOS can't, Android does.

You're such a useless troll. I should know, we can smell our own.
 
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