Bizkit87
Executive Member
So, has anyone 'followed' the money here, i'm sure if these guys that know how to investigate, they will get to the man behind all of this, the house of cards are crashing down!
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I don't have the resources to investigate something of this magnitude. This is the job of an investigative journalist or two...
Looking at the history... Mac Maharaj; when he was transport minister he was the one that set up SANRAL with the mandate of 'User Pays'.. I am sure if you look closer, this road tolling system was a condition of the Arms deal that they cant get out of.
I'm quite sure it was Jeff Radebe, not Mac Maharaj. However I'm quite sure that Zuma had a say in it too...
Bizkit87
Executive Member
I understand that, as it is not your primary job, but it would be great, how do we suggest to Carte Blanche to investigate this?
Yeah, I think everyone knows [O/T we need a word for something that everyone knows/suspects to be the truth, but the evidence is hidden away] that palms got greased here, and now when the shiz is hitting the fans, someone will have to provide us, [if anyone in Gov can understand this] YOUR EMPLOYERS, with some answers.
StonerStuart
Expert Member
This looks like the first bit of info on the tolling system I can find.
1997: http://road-transport-technology.or...FICATION BASED ON TRAFFIC LOADING - Smith.pdf
1997: http://road-transport-technology.or...FICATION BASED ON TRAFFIC LOADING - Smith.pdf
marine1
Honorary Master
I bet you anything Jimmy Manyi is getting a huuuuge kickback in all this I mean they didn't join the struggle to be poor 
They have a story submission page on their website...
Bizkit87
Executive Member
Cool, ill submit it to them, and point out all these threads.
Just stupid filtering software is blocking their site now.
Another issue to point out is that this sort of corruption and abuse of public money on such a massive scale seems to be a regular occurrence. If history has taught us anything about these corrupt comrades, it is that they have already put into motion their next massive bout of corruption, masked as a public service.
The problem is that I for one certainly do not trust anything that comes out of their mouths or offices any longer. I am constantly trying to identify the ways in which they are subtly or otherwise trying to fleece the taxpayers of all they can...
The problem is that I for one certainly do not trust anything that comes out of their mouths or offices any longer. I am constantly trying to identify the ways in which they are subtly or otherwise trying to fleece the taxpayers of all they can...
Ockie
Resident Lead Bender
I hope these very odd and suspicious figures etc are being submitted to the court!
I just came across this page http://toxinews.blogspot.com/2012/04/sanral-from-australian-newspaper-on.html.
If this is true!
If this is true!
lucifir
Expert Member
they are not even subtle about DJ ... they are blatantly creating new schemes right in front of us and do not care as the masses still vote for them .. hopefully the masses will realise they still in poverty at some point before this country is totally annihilated by the pigs at the trough
also, can we not get the public protector involved here??
she is supposed to make sure that our money is being spent wisely, so surely an investigation by her on these costs should at least highlight the exorbitant prices being paid that are way our of line with international norms
I know the DA recently asked her to look into the Mdluli matter, but how can we get her to look into this?? Does it have to come from a political party?
also, can we not get the public protector involved here??
she is supposed to make sure that our money is being spent wisely, so surely an investigation by her on these costs should at least highlight the exorbitant prices being paid that are way our of line with international norms
I know the DA recently asked her to look into the Mdluli matter, but how can we get her to look into this?? Does it have to come from a political party?
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Radebe might have signed on the dotted line, but it was Mac who set up SANRAL with private investors.... He effectively sold South African roads to foreigners.
It is absolutely true. That is what prompted me to look into Kapsch's dealing with other countries and how they have set up e-tolling around the world. Hence the first few points in my OP addressing international precedent for e-tolling...
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
SANRAL AT FAULT IN E-TOLLING FAILURE – OUTA
http://www.outa.co.za/site/sanral-at-fault-in-e-tolling-failure-outa/
Citizens’ rights group OUTA has said SANRAL has only itself to blame for its failure to
implement e-tolling. OUTA Chairman, Wayne Duvenage rejected SANRAL’s recent comments
that the eToll litigation has disrupted their e-tolling plans. “In reality, SANRAL failed to
implement e-tolling on three separate occasions in 2011 – prior to OUTA’s existence,” he
commented.
Duvenage said that the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP) represented the world’s
largest e-tolling system and in order to launch, besides a meaningful public engagement
process, this also required the preparation of a robust regulatory framework. Current law only
provides for tolling the road user and not the vehicle owner. SANRAL has sought to change this
via one of the amendments in the Transport and Related Matters Amendment Bill (currently
before the National Council of Provinces for deliberation), so as to be able to charge and
prosecute the vehicle owner instead of the user or driver. OUTA believes there could be
constitutional challenges against this amendment, if it is passed.
”Until such time as these amendments have however been passed, SANRAL could never have
implemented e-tolling, which was one of the issues we pointed out in the court challenge,”
Duvenage said. “Against this background, we are interested in why SANRAL has repeatedly
told the courts it was ready to implement e-tolling virtually on a whim. It is now eight months
after the Constitutional Court set aside the temporary interdict, allowing SANRAL to begin with
tolling hearing on e-tolling, which they argued it could and would commence e-tolling within two
weeks if the court found in its favour.”
“OUTA’s view is that regulatory matters should have been addressed prior to the initial launch
date of e-tolling in 2011 and certainly by April 2012,” Duvenage said. “Despite SANRAL’s claims
in the Concourt last year, it is still scrambling to implement the laws it needs to enforce etolling,”
he commented. He said SANRAL’s proposed regulation on tolling vehicle owners still
ignores the reality of incorrect vehicle owner details in eNatis and the widespread fake number
plates and cloned vehicle identities which will still be a significant problem for SANRAL and one
which the eTag process is unalble to fully overcome.
He added that the failure of the Department of Transport to implement AARTO will mean etolling
prosecutions can only take place in terms of the Criminal Procedure Act. With over two
million e-tolling transactions a day predicted for Gauteng’s freeways, a non-compliance rate of
just 7% would result in 140 000 new criminal incidents per day.
Duvenage said there was no prospect of AARTO being implemented within a reasonable time
frame and that the criminal justice system does not have the capacity to deal with a deluge of
thousands of e-tolling cases per month. “We have maintained before and continue to state that
E-tolling is unworkable and unenforceable,” Duvenage said.
http://www.outa.co.za/site/sanral-at-fault-in-e-tolling-failure-outa/
Citizens’ rights group OUTA has said SANRAL has only itself to blame for its failure to
implement e-tolling. OUTA Chairman, Wayne Duvenage rejected SANRAL’s recent comments
that the eToll litigation has disrupted their e-tolling plans. “In reality, SANRAL failed to
implement e-tolling on three separate occasions in 2011 – prior to OUTA’s existence,” he
commented.
Duvenage said that the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP) represented the world’s
largest e-tolling system and in order to launch, besides a meaningful public engagement
process, this also required the preparation of a robust regulatory framework. Current law only
provides for tolling the road user and not the vehicle owner. SANRAL has sought to change this
via one of the amendments in the Transport and Related Matters Amendment Bill (currently
before the National Council of Provinces for deliberation), so as to be able to charge and
prosecute the vehicle owner instead of the user or driver. OUTA believes there could be
constitutional challenges against this amendment, if it is passed.
”Until such time as these amendments have however been passed, SANRAL could never have
implemented e-tolling, which was one of the issues we pointed out in the court challenge,”
Duvenage said. “Against this background, we are interested in why SANRAL has repeatedly
told the courts it was ready to implement e-tolling virtually on a whim. It is now eight months
after the Constitutional Court set aside the temporary interdict, allowing SANRAL to begin with
tolling hearing on e-tolling, which they argued it could and would commence e-tolling within two
weeks if the court found in its favour.”
“OUTA’s view is that regulatory matters should have been addressed prior to the initial launch
date of e-tolling in 2011 and certainly by April 2012,” Duvenage said. “Despite SANRAL’s claims
in the Concourt last year, it is still scrambling to implement the laws it needs to enforce etolling,”
he commented. He said SANRAL’s proposed regulation on tolling vehicle owners still
ignores the reality of incorrect vehicle owner details in eNatis and the widespread fake number
plates and cloned vehicle identities which will still be a significant problem for SANRAL and one
which the eTag process is unalble to fully overcome.
He added that the failure of the Department of Transport to implement AARTO will mean etolling
prosecutions can only take place in terms of the Criminal Procedure Act. With over two
million e-tolling transactions a day predicted for Gauteng’s freeways, a non-compliance rate of
just 7% would result in 140 000 new criminal incidents per day.
Duvenage said there was no prospect of AARTO being implemented within a reasonable time
frame and that the criminal justice system does not have the capacity to deal with a deluge of
thousands of e-tolling cases per month. “We have maintained before and continue to state that
E-tolling is unworkable and unenforceable,” Duvenage said.
Mila
Honorary Master
said this to Mr Mila last night. So if they tried to fine his car I'll just say I drove it without his permission on a toll road and if they want to fine me I have no residential address. Shack 4 plastic valley extension 101 room 4 Woodhill.
confuse the idiots