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[McSack]

Well I'm so glad you lot think this is a joke. Here is an article at random to show not all think it so (ie, a joke.)

The Police State Is Right Here, Right Now

Dude at least find out about the person you quote to support your insecurities
Camille Paglia is a professor of humanities and media studies with quite a few cholarly publications behind her name

Here's what Camille Paglia had to say about Naomi Wolf:

"If you want to see what's wrong with Ivy League education, look at The Beauty Myth, that book by Naomi Wolf. This is a woman who graduated from Yale magna cum laude, is a Rhodes scholar, and cannot write a coherent paragraph. This is a woman who cannot do historical analysis, and she is a Rhodes scholar? If you want to see the damage done to intelligent women today in the Ivy League, look at that book. It's a scandal. Naomi Wolf is an intelligent woman. She has been ill-served by her education. But if you read Lacan, this is the result. Your brain turns to pudding! She has a case to make. She cannot make it. She's full of paranoid fantasies about the world. Her education was completely removed from reality."[

What do they say about birds of a feather ?


Wolf also published a now debunked figure of 150,000 women dying of anorexia in the States. As it turned out the figure was actually only 100.

She was also part of Bill Clinton's re-election bid. And we all know how you feel about him

 

[kilo39]

Dude at least find out about the person you quote to support your insecurities
Camille Paglia is a professor of humanities and media studies with quite a few cholarly publications behind her name

Here's what Camille Paglia had to say about Naomi Wolf:

What do they say about birds of a feather ?

Wolf also published a now debunked figure of 150,000 women dying of anorexia in the States. As it turned out the figure was actually only 100.

She was also part of Bill Clinton's re-election bid. And we all know how you feel about him

I stated upfront: the article was at random.

Statistics:

5-10 million women and girls suffer from anorexia and/or bulimia, in the United States alone.

Approximately one million men and boys suffer from anorexia and/or bulimia, in the United States alone.

25 million people suffer from compulsive overeating, in the United States alone.

Eighty-six percent of people with eating disorders report the onset of the illness by the time they reach the age of 20 (by no means is an eating disorder "less severe" when the eating-disordered person is above the age of 20).

The death rate for eating disorders is approximately 20 percent.
Women and Eating Disorders

I'll take that figure of 100 against "The death rate for eating disorders is approximately 20 percent," as being suitable rebuke of "Camille Paglia."

 

[noxibox]

When I got my ID book 20 odd years ago, I had my fingerprints taken - WAY before 9/11.

Hardly surprising since South Africa was a police state.

arguments as to "DNA errors" etc aside, as that debate has been had.

Massive DNA databases are a bad idea. Without proper research into the error rate for fingerprint matching and thorough testing of how many matching points are required makes massive fingerprint databases a bad idea too.

 

[noxibox]

Axis of Evil: yes, our loss of liberty and democracy.

Unfortunately true. There never seems to be a shortage of people begging their government to take away freedom in exchange for the promise of safety and security.

 

[PeterCH]

Yes buddy I'm working towards a perfect world: crime, etc is a failure of the state. Their failure should not be an excuse for control.

"The government says the measures are necessary to tighten security in Japan, which was alarmed by allegations that French Muslim militant Lionel Dumont entered on a forged passport and raised money for extremists." is not sufficient excuse to impose measures on FREEDOM of TRAVEL.

It is a ploy to impose greater restrictions on intellectual thought and FREEDOM of ASSOCIATION.

I don't think this has anything to do with 911. They're just jumping onto the same bandwagon here but the real issue is with Chinese and Korean mafia/criminals/NK spies entering Japan for criminal purposes. Since the government can't exactly say "Only fingerprint Chinese and Koreans" even though their private establishments often have "No Chinese" Or "No Koreans" signs,
they're doing everyone. In fact every state will be doing the same, the time until that happens depends purely on the IT resources of the given country.
It's an electronic fingerprint no doubt and a webcam like picture - like in the USA, which already fingerprints its own citizens (in elementary school). Not like some dude will rub your fingers in black ink and manhandle you.

 

[noxibox]

Now if they had recorded all foreign visitors entering our country ... they might of at least had a face to pursue in this case ......

Somebody entering South Africa to commit crime is going to go through proper channels and have themselves fingerprinted/their photograph recorded?

 

[Jase]

Somebody entering South Africa to commit crime is going to go through proper channels and have themselves fingerprinted/their photograph recorded?

What I meant was that if we (government) exercised proper border control which included fingerprinting / photographing, then we might sit with less of a 'faceless' crime problem.

 

[Jase]

Well I'm so glad you lot think this is a joke. Here is an article at random to show not all think it so (ie, a joke.)

The Police State Is Right Here, Right Now

Joke? No

A touch of sarcasm? Yes

My thoughts were were based on an experience that has occurred to someone close to me and not on some professor based in some other country that has no exposure to the realities of daily life in South Africa.

 

[kilo39]

I don't think this has anything to do with 911. They're just jumping onto the same bandwagon here but the real issue is with Chinese and Korean mafia/criminals/NK spies entering Japan for criminal purposes. Since the government can't exactly say "Only fingerprint Chinese and Koreans" even though their private establishments often have "No Chinese" Or "No Koreans" signs,
they're doing everyone. In fact every state will be doing the same, the time until that happens depends purely on the IT resources of the given country.
It's an electronic fingerprint no doubt and a webcam like picture - like in the USA, which already fingerprints its own citizens (in elementary school). Not like some dude will rub your fingers in black ink and manhandle you.

I find no reference on the web of your assertion that "american school kids are fingerprinted." In fact the opposite.

It is not the method but the sentiment (even if that method is applied lightly.)

The article specifically mentions 9/11 and the Al-Queda threat.

"The government says the measures are necessary to tighten security in Japan, which was alarmed by allegations that French Muslim militant Lionel Dumont entered on a forged passport and raised money for extremists."

What I meant was that if we (government) exercised proper border control which included fingerprinting / photographing, then we might sit with less of a 'faceless' crime problem.

I sympathise Jase however in our specific case 'tightened' border entrances for instance will make no difference. Porous borders include everything that is not an official border crossing.

Here's what Camille Paglia had to say about Naomi Wolf

The invocation of Fascism should prompt 'anxious peering about.' Except you 'laugh it off.' (What does this mean) except the slumber of the masses (as it has been clearly invoked.)

 

[R/SGT]

This is quite an interesting discussion

Here is some interesting info for you

FINGERPRINTING
A record of identification


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The police are empowered to take fingerprints, palm prints or footprints (as well as photographs) of:

Anyone convicted of a crime;
Anyone arrested on any charge;
Anyone released on bail or on a warning to appear for trial;
Anyone summoned to answer a charge of a Schedule 1 offence in terms of the Criminal Procedure Act, 1977, or an offence that may result in the suspension of, cancellation of, endorsement of, or disqualification of any licence or permit.

If an accused is found not guilty, or a conviction is set aside on appeal, all records of identification must be destroyed.

Fingerprints are also required when you apply for a new identity document, passport or a firearm and as proof of the identity of social pensioners .
http://www.legalcity.net/Index.cfm?fuseaction=rights.article&Index=F&ArticleID=4308888

Also the police database consists only of those people who have been convicted, they do not have access to the ID Book fingerprint database

I have noticed that people cry out for the police to do something about the crime problem but as soon as they do the people cry out that their rights are been infringed

We do not live in a perfect society and criminals definitely have no respect for our rights so it is quite a balancing act.

As for the citizens doing the enforcing instead of having police, I have seen that in the township and it is called Street committees, Kangaroo courts and mob justice. It does bring down crime but many times the innocent suffer as it is used as a means to settle grudges and old scores.

There is no easy awnser to this question