More than 1 in 3 men rape - study

[grayston]

So you suggest 1 in 3 men are rapists in this country ? This has merit ? Rape in the sense of forcing sex on a non consenting person ?

I don't know. What I do know is that, despite what you claim this study says, if you, me and Jacob Zuma stood in a line together, the finding that "1 in 3 men are rapists" would not mean that one of you, me or Jacob Zuma has to be a rapist.

You are overreacting. The study merely shows the prevelance of rape in the Gauteng province is disturbingly high. It doesn't make any claims against you personally.

 

[BBSA]

Rooster really, it is trolling like this which get you baned each and every time. Why do you not rather go and wast your time on your stupid "Kill all whiteys" blog?

 

[shakenbake]

I don't know. What I do know is that, despite what you claim this study says, if you, me and Jacob Zuma stood in a line together, the finding that "1 in 3 men are rapists" would not mean that one of you, me or Jacob Zuma has to be a rapist.

You are overreacting. The study merely shows the prevelance of rape in the Gauteng province is disturbingly high. It doesn't make any claims against you personally.

Well if it's none of us three then it's likely two of the next three are rapists. If they'e not statistically all three of the next are rapists.

This is not the first "study". There is a history of such dishonest "studies". Not just in this country but all over the world. 1 in 5 Canadians "rape". 1 in 4 Brits etc. It's all part of the same man hating agenda. They purposely withhold the definition of rape and it's clearly flimsy. Nobody would be shocked if the real definition was given and the news wouldn't even be newsworthy. Hence the need to sell it as something it's not. Pure snake oil. If you haven't noticed it and its affect on your life that's good for you. But I maintain my right to be skeptical in the face of such hyperbolic counter intuitive claims.

I mean will you at least admit that if the definition of rape includes having sex while drunk that most men have been raped ?

Again would you defend a newspaper headline calling 1 in 3 women rapists ?

 

[grayston]

Well if it's none of us three then it's likely two of the next three are rapists. If they'e not statistically all three of the next are rapists.

This is not the first "study". There is a history of such dishonest "studies". Not just in this country but all over the world. 1 in 5 Canadians "rape". 1 in 4 Brits etc. It's all part of the same man hating agenda.

Eh. If it makes you feel better, I believe that the 'statistics' also say that 8 out of 9 rapes are unreported. And even if you *are* reported, I believe there's an even smaller percentage of cases which end up in court, and only a very small percentage of *those* end up with a conviction. So you're actually pretty safe.

However you are still hung up on the point that the article said '1 in 3 have commited rape' and neither you nor your two buddies have raped anyone therefore the article is a blasphemous affront to your personal dignity and an indication of the lizard men's underhanded conspiracy to make all members of the male gender be seen as potential rapists.

What you could rather do is take from the article the fact that rape is highly prevalent in South Africa and that this is a situation which needs to be understood so that it can be effectively tackled.

They purposely withhold the definition of rape

The definition of rape is quite clear and I believe you have access to the South African law on the matter. Look it up.

Nobody would be shocked if the real definition was given and the news wouldn't even be newsworthy.

I see. Do you know what the 'real definition' was? Do you have any information showing that it differs from the law?

Hence the need to sell it as something it's not. Pure snake oil. If you haven't noticed it and its affect on your life that's good for you. But I maintain my right to be skeptical in the face of such hyperbolic counter intuitive claims.

What are you trying to say? That the study is flawed, or that rape isn't that bad, or that the rape problem in South Africa isn't that bad? You really need to make your point clear and back it up with solid information. Pardon me for saying so, but I'm more likely to believe a study done by a group which deals with rape victims on a daily basis, than I am to believe your unfounded, anecdotal claim that the study is flawed because the media used a sensationalist headline.

I mean will you at least admit that if the definition of rape includes having sex while drunk that most men have been raped ?

Again would you defend a newspaper headline calling 1 in 3 women rapists ?

Legally, rape is only seen to have happened if a legal case proves it beyond reasonable doubt. Because that happens so rarely, anonymous studies like these assist us in showing the real prevalence of rape.

You are trying to make this study all about YOU. That is not the case. You are not, in yourself, representative of all men, all South African men, or all South African men who took part in the study. You are insignificant.

 

[shakenbake]

Eh. If it makes you feel better, I believe that the 'statistics' also say that 8 out of 9 rapes are unreported. And even if you *are* reported, I believe there's an even smaller percentage of cases which end up in court, and only a very small percentage of *those* end up with a conviction. So you're actually pretty safe.

However you are still hung up on the point that the article said '1 in 3 have commited rape' and neither you nor your two buddies have raped anyone therefore the article is a blasphemous affront to your personal dignity and an indication of the lizard men's underhanded conspiracy to make all members of the male gender be seen as potential rapists.

What you could rather do is take from the article the fact that rape is highly prevalent in South Africa and that this is a situation which needs to be understood so that it can be effectively tackled.




The definition of rape is quite clear and I believe you have access to the South African law on the matter. Look it up.



I see. Do you know what the 'real definition' was? Do you have any information showing that it differs from the law?



What are you trying to say? That the study is flawed, or that rape isn't that bad, or that the rape problem in South Africa isn't that bad? You really need to make your point clear and back it up with solid information. Pardon me for saying so, but I'm more likely to believe a study done by a group which deals with rape victims on a daily basis, than I am to believe your unfounded, anecdotal claim that the study is flawed because the media used a sensationalist headline.



Legally, rape is only seen to have happened if a legal case proves it beyond reasonable doubt. Because that happens so rarely, anonymous studies like these assist us in showing the real prevalence of rape.

You are trying to make this study all about YOU. That is not the case. You are not, in yourself, representative of all men, all South African men, or all South African men who took part in the study. You are insignificant.

I challenge you.

Go outside and ask as many men as you like the following question. You feel free to do it in absolutely any environment except prison of course.

Ask them : "Have you forcefully had sex with a woman who did not consent to having sex with you ? "

Do you think 1 in 3 is going to answer yes ?

Not a rhetorical question. I would like to hear your answer.

Again it's clear this was not the way the question was asked. Even if 1 in 3 men had done such a deed, I highly doubt they are all going to admit it. So what is the real number ? 1in 2 ?

Sorry I can't take this study seriously and judging by the comments here most people strongly agree with me. I am strongly suggesting it is extremely flawed. Not due to human error but due to a deliberate withholding of information and semantics intended to mislead and alarm. By some femnists definitions all forms of sex are rape. Clearly this is not what people objetctively understand to be rape (which yes is a big problem. How many men rape in the "common" understanding of what makes up a rape (forced unwanted sex) ? 1 in 100 ? 1 in 1000 ? Who knows ? Certainly nobody who has read this bogus study is closer to the answer.) So is rape in South Africa a big problem ? I just don't know. Crazy conclusions from surveys like this that don't fit anything close to the anecdotal reality surrounding me certainly make me doubt it is. Why has none of my female friends spoken up about being raped ? Why are none of my friends on trial ? Certainly in my culture if you raped a woman she would not just laugh it off. But some study assures me by just casually asking men they're all to hapilly admit they force themselves upon unconsenting women as a matter of fact. 1 in 3 in fact. Rubbish !

But is people having consentual sex when drunk a big problem like forced unwanted sexual penetration? Maybe if we're talking about std's or something. But in the context or rape ? Hell no ! Let's not lose our minds !

 

[grayston]

I challenge you.

Go outside and ask as many men as you like the following question. You feel free to do it in absolutely any environment except prison of course.

Ask them : "Have you forcefully had sex with a woman who did not consent to having sex with you ? "

Do you think 1 in 3 is going to answer yes ?

Not a rhetorical question. I would like to hear your answer.

I highly doubt it. I'm not a researcher

So what? You want more information to satisfy yourself that the study was done responsibly and according to your definitions. You do not have this information so you are trying to cast doubt on it -- from an uninformed position, I might add.

You find it uncomfortable to accept that rape may as prevalent as it is suggested by the article. You would prefer to not see this information and continue to believe that rape doesn't happen all that often and isn't all that bad. That's natural. Nobody likes bad news.

But it isn't accurate.

Sorry I can't take this study seriously and judging by the comments here most people strongly agree with me.

Yeah, I know. That's the sad thing. People really need to learn about a) Statistics and b) Journalism before they are allowed to read newspapers...

I am strongly suggesting it is extremely flawed.

That's awesome. Now back your suggestion up with a real survey of your own and see who's right.

By some femnists definitions all forms of sex are rape. Clearly this is not what people objetctively understand to be rape (which yes is a big problem. How many men rape in the "common" understanding of what makes up a rape (forced unwanted sex) ? 1 in 100 ? 1 in 1000 ? Who knows ? Certainly nobody who has read this bogus study is closer to the answer.)

But is people having consentual sex when drunk a big problem like forced unwanted sexual penetration? Maybe if we're talking about std's or something. But in the context or rape ? Hell no ! Let's not lose our minds !

Your tasks are:

1. Show that the people who performed this survey are "some feminists" who define "all forms of sex [as] rape".
2. Show that the study purposefully asked misleading questions of the participants in order to inflate the numbers.
3. Show that the numbers found by the survey are so inaccurate as to be useless.
4. Show that the study included 'consentual[sic] sex when drunk' as an example of rape.
5. Show that the study was conducted as part of some entity's 'agenda'.
6. Show how this 'agenda' could be furthered by reporting wildly inaccurate rape statistics.

Off you go.

 

[shakenbake]

I highly doubt it. I'm not a researcher

So what? You want more information to satisfy yourself that the study was done responsibly and according to your definitions. You do not have this information so you are trying to cast doubt on it -- from an uninformed position, I might add.

You find it uncomfortable to accept that rape may as prevalent as it is suggested by the article. You would prefer to not see this information and continue to believe that rape doesn't happen all that often and isn't all that bad. That's natural. Nobody likes bad news.

But it isn't accurate.




Yeah, I know. That's the sad thing. People really need to learn about a) Statistics and b) Journalism before they are allowed to read newspapers...



That's awesome. Now back your suggestion up with a real survey of your own and see who's right.



Your tasks are:

1. Show that the people who performed this survey are "some feminists" who define "all forms of sex [as] rape".
2. Show that the study purposefully asked misleading questions of the participants in order to inflate the numbers.
3. Show that the numbers found by the survey are so inaccurate as to be useless.
4. Show that the study included 'consentual[sic] sex when drunk' as an example of rape.
5. Show that the study was conducted as part of some entity's 'agenda'.
6. Show how this 'agenda' could be furthered by reporting wildly inaccurate rape statistics.

Off you go.

No, I don't need to do a thing. This study makes a alarming and sensational claim that goes against what most people consider to be reality. It is therefore your prerogative to prove it if you want to stand by it. If I claim everyone is wrong about cosmology and in fact the world rides upon 4 elephants standing on the mighty turtle great Utuin it's not your job to come up with reasons why I am wrong. I can't just say "I did a study and because you don't know about my study and how I did it , I'm better of to make the claims regarding to it and you must accept it" and expect that to be the end of it.

I am of the opinion that :

1) Even if this many men did rape , they would not admit it in such a high number unless the questions weren't actually related to rape as the layman would define it.
2) That from anecdotal experience there is no way this many men are rapists.
3) That if we were given the definition of rape it would include things such as "having sex with someone who has been drinking = rape. Even if that person is their girlfriend/wife."

We can go in circles all we like. I would like to see the definition of rape and how the questions were asked before I will even consider this survey is valid. Because as I said if all this survey is telling me is that many people drink and have sex later, then why are they using the word rape ? Until they reveal their methods and define their terms, something that any study should be able to provide, I remain enitirely skeptical that in fact this is even a study of "rape" prevalence at all.

Is the motive for the bad "study" political ? Feminist ? Aimed at garnering funding ? Man bashing ? I don't care. All I am saying is this study reeks of conscious manipulation of data. Everyone knows what most people think of rape to be, especially social scientists. And as I am suggesting they did, why then load the questions, tweak the definitions and then present me an onion as an apple ?

I might buy that one in 3 men cheat on their wives (and vica versa) but rape ? That's some serious slander against a gender.

 

[grayston]

No, I don't need to do a thing.

Actually, you do. You have made baseless claims motivated by nothing other than the fact that you 'don't buy' that so many men would admit to commiting rape. You have provided no information to the contrary other your own opinion. You have no information about the methods used by the survey, so you constructed a strawman argument and attacked it with gusto.

If you were a journalist, you'd be taken to the Press Ombudsman so fast your head would spin!

This study makes a alarming and sensational claim that goes against what most people consider to be reality.

That's often the point. Again, your definition of 'reality' is subjective so you have no hard information with which to debunk the claim.

It is therefore your prerogative to prove it if you want to stand by it.

Stand by what? The fact that rape is alarmingly prevalent in South African society, or the statistical finding that 33% of men surveyed admitted to committing rape?

I can't just say "I did a study and because you don't know about my study and how I did it , I'm better of to make the claims regarding to it and you must accept it" and expect that to be the end of it.

If you want more information, you can ask for it: http://www.mrc.ac.za/contact/contact.html

I am of the opinion that :

Good for you...

I might buy that one in 3 men cheat on their wives (and vica versa) but rape ? That's some serious slander against a gender.

Or you could just read a bit further.

From http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...gEftMg?docId=ef09e8ce4e804723ad6402ad562ac1bb

Two-thirds of the men surveyed in that study said they raped because of a sense of sexual entitlement. Other popular motivating factors included a desire to punish women who rejected or angered them, and raping out of boredom, Jewkes said.
"Rape is completely trivialized by a great number of men. It is seen as a legitimate activity," she said.
Jewkes believes South Africa's history of racial division and associated trauma is part of the reason of the high incidence of sexual violence in the country.
"Apartheid has contributed to culture of impunity surrounding rape in South Africa," said Jewkes. Men who were abused or experienced trauma during their childhood are much more likely to rape, she said, adding that apartheid destroyed family life, fostering violence and anti-social behavior.

The apartheid period also saw very little enforcement of common law, which has contributed to a culture of impunity, said Jewkes.

I'm sorry to say that this makes a lot more sense than your claim that this is ... well, you don't actually say what you think this is. You claim that the stats MUST have been fudged because YOU don't believe them.

You don't say WHY they would be fudged.


(Future prediction: In your next post you will claim that Ms Rachel Jewkes is a feminazi who hates all men; or that the findings are bunk because they blame Apartheid [and everyone knows that Apartheid didn't do anything].)

 

[R13...]

Rooster really, it is trolling like this which get you baned each and every time. Why do you not rather go and wast your time on your stupid "Kill all whiteys" blog?

In this case you're the clear & present troll

 

[shakenbake]

Actually, you do. You have made baseless claims motivated by nothing other than the fact that you 'don't buy' that so many men would admit to commiting rape. You have provided no information to the contrary other your own opinion. You have no information about the methods used by the survey, so you constructed a strawman argument and attacked it with gusto.

If you were a journalist, you'd be taken to the Press Ombudsman so fast your head would spin!




That's often the point. Again, your definition of 'reality' is subjective so you have no hard information with which to debunk the claim.



Stand by what? The fact that rape is alarmingly prevalent in South African society, or the statistical finding that 33% of men surveyed admitted to committing rape?



If you want more information, you can ask for it: http://www.mrc.ac.za/contact/contact.html

And I have previously tried to ask Rachel Jewkes about her research methodology in previous of her famous "studies". Last year it was 1 in 4. She didn't get enough attention so I guess she just redefined her terms a little and now we have 1 in 3. Keep working Rachel you'll get to "All men are rapists" soon .Just keep going , inch by inch !

I'm not surprised to see she is behind this too. She either refuses to respond to my email or just ignores them.

Now will you kindly admit that, if the study label acts such as drunken sex to be rape, that it is being dishonest with the public ? I say this because most sane people would not consider drunken consensual sex rape.

Secondly it is my right to question such a study in the manner I am doing. I am after all a man. This is a rather slanderous claim to make about me and my kind I am want to see the hard evidence and methods this data subset was obtained before I assimilate and accommodate it. That is a fair and rational stance. As some who studied in the social sciences let me tell there's a whole lot of subjective agenda going into what is meant to pass as "scientific study" in this world. There's very little objectivity. So it is my theory, I admit, that this study has been comprimsed by an agenda. After all from the article...

The new study, conducted with a gender rights advocacy body, is ...

Let's be candid. What is the agenda of a "gender rights advocacy body?" and would they exist if there was no "battle of the sexes" ? From there I think we can draw the necessary assumption to answer quite accurately the following question :

Are they going to understate or over state gender issues ?

We all know the answer. I am merely questioning a study that seems to go against anecdotal evidence. The type I could garner by asking 10 or my workers. In fact I did so. I asked 10 people "Don't be offened, but did you ever rape someone ?" They laughed at me. I got the feeling if I asked 100 people today this question not one would have admitted this. Maybe I need a labcoat and clipboard next time. Will that change the results ? I must live in a wonderful utopia rape free part of the country I suppose.

You see what I am getting at ?I want to know how the questions were asked. What questions were asked and how were they interpreted. But most importantly I want to know how they defined rape. And you might not think so , but it's my god given right to be skeptical rather that be victim to the information wars. And if Indeed my theories are baseless I will happily concede. Until then I will ask.

I am absolutely not saying rape is not a problem. We know it is in this country and much of the third world. But that's no reason to let people ride those facts to hinder basic freedoms that good, caring men enjoy. Which I still maintain makes up the majority to men. I know it's so politically incorrect to say that men are not all rapists and murderers but hey, call me Maverick. Because ultimately that's where this is all heading :the demonisation of men and the social and political infringements upon our rights. After all women are easy to control with fluff and materialism. But the men must be turned against each other and the women against them to have them in line. Divide and rule folks.

 

[grayston]

I must live in a wonderful utopia rape free part of the country I suppose.

Quite probably. Go ask your question again in a squatter camp. You can take your pick - there's quite a few.

 

[shakenbake]

Quite probably. Go ask your question again in a squatter camp. You can take your pick - there's quite a few.

All those I asked lived in a township. In fact the whole thing was quite absurd and I felt like an @sshole for even asking. Again I would be extremely interested in seeing Jewkes definition of rape as well as her questions and how she asked them. I can't see how I could even walk around a township and ask that question unless I'm doing it on none straight forward way and what they're admitting to is not what most people would consider rape. People are unlikely to admit to something criminal to a stranger. Not knowingly anyway. The questions must have been manipulative and indirect and the interpretation of the answers must have been ambiguous and slanted towards semantic distortions.And 1 in 3 men admit to this "thing" they are calling rape ? The alarms bells should be going off to any sane person.

Surely when she has made an outrageous claim and objective and rational person would want to see the actual study ? What makes you so sure the study was objective and defined rape as forced non consensual sex ? Do you have a subjective prejudice against men that leads you to easily believe that 1 in 3 men admit to full on raping someone ? Or perhaps even a certain "kind" of man ?

It's beyond ridiculous. If 1 in 3 men admit it how many do it and lie ? It is a crime you can go to jail for many many years for after all. We're millimeters away from hard lined feminists wet dream were we finally can call all men rapists I think, so long as they don't ever let on what their definition of rape is. Which according to me is a bogus definition.

 

[Mila]

I love how the people protest soooo much around here.
Why are you not condemning it?
If you are not guilty why would you defend guilty people?
How would you know it is not true?
So they went into a suburb and asked 500 men 2/3 of these were guilty. That is a problem.

But the Men around here protest too much I say.

 

[grayston]

It's beyond ridiculous. If 1 in 3 men admit it how many do it and lie ? It is a crime you can go to jail for many many years for after all. We're millimeters away from hard lined feminists wet dream were we finally can call all men rapists I think, so long as they don't ever let on what their definition of rape is. Which according to me is a bogus definition.

I think you're more concerned because you have actually had desires or urges to sleep with someone without their consent. This is normal. If you have ever had sex, you'll know that it isn't just rose petals on the bed and Kenny G on the stereo. That **** gets real sometimes. Think of all the thrusting involved, f'r instance. Sex is a sort of an attack. It feels good because evolution wired our brains with the desire to procreate. Before you reach a certain level of intelligence, the desire to procreate is higher than the desire to respect a woman's wishes regarding who she wants to procreate with. Humans are nothing more than highly intelligent animals - and animals do some pretty nasty things to each other. Ever heard cats having sex? It can sound pretty disturbing until you realise what it is.

Now, South Africa is a pretty broken society. You may not accept it but you do live in an ivory tower and evidently have no comprehension of the conditions that most of our fellow South Africans have to live in. You can try to deny it and say in your personal experience you've never met anyone who would admit to rape etc, etc; but you're just one guy and there's a limit to what one guy can see.

There is also the political correctness problem, whereby if the survey revealed that most of its participants were poor, black and undereducated, it would be lambasted for being 'racist' in saying that 1 in 3 black people rape. What it is really saying is that 1 in 3 of the participants admitted to committing rape. They freely admitted this because, in their world, rape is pretty meh. That in itself is scary, as it shows just how bad the situation is in some areas.

Add to that your ego which is completely unable to accept that something could happen without your input, and we end up with 3 pages of you blustering on about how unbelievable the results of the study are.

That's why these studies are done. They are not intended to insult you personally or to imply that there is a precisely 33% chance that you ARE a rapist. They are intended to show uninformed people like you and me how bad the rape situation really is. "Rape" in this instance is sex without consent. I highly doubt that the participants of the study believed that grey areas such as intercourse while drunk count as rape: rape for them was the forceful penetration of an unwilling victim. You can see this by looking at the reasons they give for committing rape: including revenge for a perceived slight or rejection.

I have now said the word 'rape' far too many times in one post so I'm going to stop. I'm sure you have an insurmountable desire to reply to this post in detail telling me why I am so naive and how the feminazi's of the world want to castrate me and you both, but if there is one thing we should learn from this episode, it's to control our urges.

I'm out.

 

[BBSA]

I love how the people protest soooo much around here.
Why are you not condemning it?
If you are not guilty why would you defend guilty people?
How would you know it is not true?
So they went into a suburb and asked 500 men 2/3 of these were guilty. That is a problem.

But the Men around here protest too much I say.

Agree 100%, maybe the shakenbake (aka - The Rooster) can explain.

 

[shakenbake]

I love how the people protest soooo much around here.
Why are you not condemning it?
If you are not guilty why would you defend guilty people?
How would you know it is not true?
So they went into a suburb and asked 500 men 2/3 of these were guilty. That is a problem.

But the Men around here protest too much I say.

Firstly are implying I'm a rapist ?

Secondly I comdemn rape. That should be obvious.

Lastly I don't know it's not true. But I do know that many femnists insist that a women having sex when drunk, even if she consents, it's rape. I want to know if that is part of the definition in this study. I simply can't imagine that high a proportion of men being rapists but I can certainly believe that many men have had sex with a woman who has been drinking. And even if they were geniune rapists, I can't imagine that many be willingly to admit it.

What your issue with me being skepitcal about a study ? Feminists have a long history of being dishonest and manipulative to push their agenda through their "studies."

 

[shakenbake]

I think you're more concerned because you have actually had desires or urges to sleep with someone without their consent. This is normal. If you have ever had sex, you'll know that it isn't just rose petals on the bed and Kenny G on the stereo. That **** gets real sometimes. Think of all the thrusting involved, f'r instance. Sex is a sort of an attack. It feels good because evolution wired our brains with the desire to procreate. Before you reach a certain level of intelligence, the desire to procreate is higher than the desire to respect a woman's wishes regarding who she wants to procreate with. Humans are nothing more than highly intelligent animals - and animals do some pretty nasty things to each other. Ever heard cats having sex? It can sound pretty disturbing until you realise what it is.

Oh I see . You're projecting your desires, which you seem to feel are universal onto me ? I find the idea of having sex with someone who isn't mutually into it a serious turn off for your information. I'm no prude, that's just not "my thing."

Here's another reason why I am questioning the "study". I'm anti feminists and tired of their bull. Secondly the study just sounds hyperbolic and alarmist and I don't like such things.

And please don't talk to me in baby Freudian terms. Yes we all have instinctual desires, yet even a child is easily socialised to not carry them out. Are you implying that 1 in 3 men doesn't have enough of a rudementary grasp of impulse control they not only can't stop themselves from raping, but they can't even realise it's a taboo ? If you don't have the superego to know it's not socially acceptable to rape, how the hell do men grasp far higher social realities such as fashion or even other simpler ones like not wacking off in the street. This is just silly what you're implying. Total rubbish.

Now, South Africa is a pretty broken society. You may not accept it but you do live in an ivory tower and evidently have no comprehension of the conditions that most of our fellow South Africans have to live in. You can try to deny it and say in your personal experience you've never met anyone who would admit to rape etc, etc; but you're just one guy and there's a limit to what one guy can see.

There is also the political correctness problem, whereby if the survey revealed that most of its participants were poor, black and undereducated, it would be lambasted for being 'racist' in saying that 1 in 3 black people rape. What it is really saying is that 1 in 3 of the participants admitted to committing rape. They freely admitted this because, in their world, rape is pretty meh. That in itself is scary, as it shows just how bad the situation is in some areas.

Add to that your ego which is completely unable to accept that something could happen without your input, and we end up with 3 pages of you blustering on about how unbelievable the results of the study are.

That's why these studies are done. They are not intended to insult you personally or to imply that there is a precisely 33% chance that you ARE a rapist. They are intended to show uninformed people like you and me how bad the rape situation really is. "Rape" in this instance is sex without consent. I highly doubt that the participants of the study believed that grey areas such as intercourse while drunk count as rape: rape for them was the forceful penetration of an unwilling victim. You can see this by looking at the reasons they give for committing rape: including revenge for a perceived slight or rejection.

I have now said the word 'rape' far too many times in one post so I'm going to stop. I'm sure you have an insurmountable desire to reply to this post in detail telling me why I am so naive and how the feminazi's of the world want to castrate me and you both, but if there is one thing we should learn from this episode, it's to control our urges.

I'm out

I see you're desperate to take this a certain direction but I don't want to get into race. Firstly the majority of the countries in the top 20 per capita rape countries are "white countries."

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

Are white people just so insatiable we can't stop ourselves from hurling women around dark corners and raping them ? Or is it more to do with the definition of rape in countries like Canada and Australia that put them into the top 5 ? Like it or not there is a powerful feminist force in society with a sinsiter agenda to defame men, and they prominant in the social sciences especially on university campuses.

Am the only thing I'm taking personally about anything of this is that the same semantics tricks has been played over and over again by femnists so they really must think we're petty stupid to never call them out on it.

I hold the possibility of the study being valid open. But I am highly skeptical. But lucky for us there is a way to find out and contact mrs Jewkes and simply ask her for her definition of rape as relates to this study. Now if only she would respond to her emails.

 

[shakenbake]

Slightly off topic but rape related. Although slightly more controversial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RliMu2JxVr0&feature=related

For the simpletons out there. I'm not defending rape. I'm defending men from "rape" being used dishonestly to demonize us as a gender. If anything it is the femnists who trivialise rape when they make such things such as drunken sex to = rape.

 

[zulgin]

Oh I see . You're projecting your desires, which you seem to feel are universal onto me ? I find the idea of having sex with someone who isn't mutually into it a serious turn off for your information. I'm no prude, that's just not "my thing."

Here's another reason why I am questioning the "study". I'm anti feminists and tired of their bull. Secondly the study just sounds hyperbolic and alarmist and I don't like such things.

And please don't talk to me in baby Freudian terms. Yes we all have instinctual desires, yet even a child is easily socialised to not carry them out. Are you implying that 1 in 3 men doesn't have enough of a rudementary grasp of impulse control they not only can't stop themselves from raping, but they can't even realise it's a taboo ? If you don't have the superego to know it's not socially acceptable to rape, how the hell do men grasp far higher social realities such as fashion or even other simpler ones like not wacking off in the street. This is just silly what you're implying. Total rubbish.



I see you're desperate to take this a certain direction but I don't want to get into race. Firstly the majority of the countries in the top 20 per capita rape countries are "white countries."

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

Are white people just so insatiable we can't stop ourselves from hurling women around dark corners and raping them ? Or is it more to do with the definition of rape in countries like Canada and Australia that put them into the top 5 ? Like it or not there is a powerful feminist force in society with a sinsiter agenda to defame men, and they prominant in the social sciences especially on university campuses.

Am the only thing I'm taking personally about anything of this is that the same semantics tricks has been played over and over again by femnists so they really must think we're petty stupid to never call them out on it.

I hold the possibility of the study being valid open. But I am highly skeptical. But lucky for us there is a way to find out and contact mrs Jewkes and simply ask her for her definition of rape as relates to this study. Now if only she would respond to her emails.

actually in the top I would only clasify 3 of them as 'white countries'. SA is ontop though.

 

[shakenbake]

actually in the top I would only clasify 3 of them as 'white countries'. SA is ontop though.

In the top 20 only 3 are "white " ? Count again. 9 out of 20 are "white" countries. Far higher than any representation of any other "race".

S.A is on top and here are the stats according to this study being used on nationmaster.

1.19538 per 1,000 people

So 1 women per 1000 is being raped but 1 in 3 South African men rape ? Wow there's a few really unlucky girls out there who get raped from morning to dusk if this 1 in 3 stat is to be believed.

Admit it people, this is wonky rubbish. Is only 1 in 333 rapes reported ? And that's assuming the study itself didn't already correct itself for "unreported "rapes. That's what you're suggesting. These "rapes" sound pretty trivial to me if 332 out of 333 people don't even bother to make a case. A lot like say for example "having sex with someone when drunk "?