Mosque for [NY WTC] Ground Zero?

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http://www.news24.com/World/News/Mosque-for-Ground-Zero-20100516

New York - An ambitious plan to build a mosque next to New York's Ground Zero is prompting hope - and anger - in a city scarred by terrorism.

There's little to see now at the site, an abandoned clothing store two blocks from the former World Trade Centre where nearly 3 000 people died on September 11 2001.

But Feisal Abdul Rauf, a New York imam and a leader of the project, says the planned multi-storey Islamic centre will transform both the drab lower Manhattan street and the way Americans have looked on Muslims since 9/11.

Boasting a mosque with sports facilities, a theatre and possibly day care, the centre would be open to all visitors to demonstrate that Muslims are part of their community, not some separate element.

"There's nothing like this that we know of in the United States," Rauf told AFP. "This will be a community centre for everyone, not just for Muslims, but non-Muslims."

These are tense times for American Muslims who find themselves increasingly painted both by the public and law enforcement bodies as a possible source of terrorism.

A failed car bomb in New York's Times Square on May 1 was allegedly planted by a Pakistani-born American, prompting senior figures in Washington to recommend stripping basic rights from US passport holders suspected of Islamist militant links.

The Islamic centre is part of Rauf's programme, called the Cordoba Initiative, meant to build bridges between the West and the Muslim world.

But because of the proposed mosque's location, just around the corner from the gaping Ground Zero hole, Rauf's call for peace is seen by some as a battle cry.

"The outrage continues," says website www.nomosquesatgroundzero.wordpress.com under a close-up of the collapsing Twin Towers.

Accusing the Cordoba Initiative of trying to "sneak it through," the protest site says the centre will "cast a rude shadow over Ground Zero."

Others compare the idea to building a German cultural centre at Auschwitz.

"Spitting in the Face of Everyone Murdered on 9/11," writes Blitz, a self-described "anti-jihadist newspaper."

That level of anger is not uncommon among New Yorkers who blame Islam, rather than just al-Qaeda or other militant groups, for 9/11 and the global confrontation with the United States.

"This is the wrong neighbourhood to put the mosque in," Scott Rachelson, 59, said as he went to his office. Rachelson, who works with people seeking compensation over 9/11 related damages, said his life changed forever the day that two hijacked airliners smashed into Manhattan.

"I was here. For me, and everyone else who was here, we have post-traumatic stress disorder," he said. "It feels like yesterday."

A woman living in the apartment building next to the proposed mosque said she couldn't accept the project.

"I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me a little nervous," said Jennifer Wood, 36, as she took her young son for a walk. "It seems a little in the face, a little too much too soon. I don't know why it has to be here - this is a big city."

An eloquent and erudite man, Rauf sounds slightly weary when asked about hardcore opposition, but says he hopes the centre will become a catalyst for helping Muslims and the wider community to integrate.

"It's about building an American Islamic identity, because we have second-, third-generation Muslims who don't feel they are part of (the country)," he said.

"The complaint throughout the years has been: 'Where's the voice of the moderate Muslims?'" Rauf said. "Well, here we are."

Many look forward to the centre, which Rauf estimates will cost $105-140m to build, possibly financed with bonds.

"Ground Zero - that is about terrorists. Terrorism is a different thing. There are a billion or more Muslims around the world. They aren't all terrorists! I hope people will see us coming here and see that all of us come from one god."
 
No. This mustn't happen.

It would be a farce. A symbol that muslims have triumphed.
 
if that should happen you are gonna alienate white america who are against islam and possibly turn the right wing in america to become more radical and start bombing mosques themselves which will bring in the Police State and all those other Bills to curb the americans and then the dog doo will hit the fan.
 
But Feisal Abdul Rauf, a New York imam and a leader of the project, says the planned multi-storey Islamic centre will transform both the drab lower Manhattan street and the way Americans have looked on Muslims since 9/11.

Its not like muslims have done anything to change our view of Islam. There has hardly been any condemnation from muslims wrt to the September 11 attacks - I still know of muslims that said the Americans deserved the attacks. Terrorists are also still bombing building and killing civilians in the name of Islam and with very little or no condemnation from muslims.

I doubt them building a structure near the site will transform the way people look at Islam.
 
We love death. The U.S. loves life. That is the difference between us two. -Osama bin Laden

Attacks or not, Islam is basically about the exact antithesis of what America stands for. IMO this is like a cancer to the heart

After the break: lets veil the Statue of Liberty
:D Do you think they get a hard-on looking at lady liberty?
 
The only "good" I can see from this is that there might be less terror attacks or none at all?

Other than that, it really spits in people's faces of those who died
 
It's time to stop *****footing around to these people. They do not have an unequivocal right to everything. Tell them to get stuffed. There are plenty of other places in NY to build. Why there? I'd put the middle finger back in their face and tell them to go take a two stage jump across a wide canyon.
 
The only "good" I can see from this is that there might be less terror attacks or none at all?

Other than that, it really spits in people's faces of those who died

No. You've been George W. Bushed, I'm afraid.

9/11 was caused by extremists who happened to be Muslim. Georgie, being the religious dork that he was, instantly focused on the 'Muslim' bit and suddenly all anyone could ever talk about was the "threat of Islam". They called it 'military Islam' of course, just to avoid looking like complete arses, but that's what it was at the end of the day. The War on Terror could just as well be called the War on Muslims.

Building a mosque on the site of 9/11 would be spitting in the faces of the terrorists. It would send a message that the West, or Christians, or civilised folk or whatever you want to call yourselves, is actually that magnanimous, that forgiving and that eager to build bonds rather than break them, that they would erect a monument to the religion that the terrorists (with the help of George W) desecrated.

I think it's a really awesome idea. I'm sure the religious right will object (probably while yelling something along the lines of 'but islam is a violent religion!') which is just another reason to do it :D. But what drawbacks would there be?
 
Why the fsck mustn't this happen?

And no emotional BS... this is a good idea, its a damn community centre that just HAPPENS to have a mosque in it and is run by Muslims....
 
Why the fsck mustn't this happen?

And no emotional BS... this is a good idea, its a damn community centre that just HAPPENS to have a mosque in it and is run by Muslims....

Can we build a community centre that just HAPPENS to have a church in it and is run by Christians in Mecca then?
 
I think this is being controversial for the sake of being controversial.

As for the reason it shouldn't happen, this will be an insult to most of America.

You can sugar coat it as much as you like by talking about extremists but Islam is the reason that thousands of people were murdered that day. To build a religious structure celebrating that religion is mind bogglingly ridiculous.

I dislike all religions but any religion that that is based on the belief that all non-Islamic people are infidels who are lesser human beings which hasn't reformed to keep up with the times is about as bad as it gets. Christians will murder you for performing abortions, these people will try to kill you for drawing a picture of their prophet. They do not deserve to be rewarded for killing thousands in cold blood.

If Islam made an effort to keep up with modern human rights, and Islamic governments throughout the world condemned Sharia law then I'd consider allowing it.

If they really want a memorial, how about a park in which a tree is planted in memory of every single person who died and families can have a tree for a loved one they can visit.
 
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Unfortunately for you, there is no sugar coating needed..

Islam is NOT the reason thousands of people were murdered, extremists were the reason...
 
Unfortunately for you, there is no sugar coating needed..

Islam is NOT the reason thousands of people were murdered, extremists were the reason...

And in whose name did those extremists kill? You can't get around it. Their religion was the reason those people killed. Oh, and I'm not targeting Islam here. This is how I feel about all religion.
 
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