most comfortable used budget/midrange hatch

Most comfortable used budget/midrange hatch?

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ronz91 said:
First time I've heard of a lemon Toyota, but I haven't really known anyone that owned the older Auris or the new shape 1 either for that matter
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That's not a lemon, a lemon is a car that gives problems brand new off the dealer floor.

The car had over 100 000 kms, no car is immune from having problems at some point in its life, not even a Toyota.
 
TheChamp said:
That's not a lemon, a lemon is a car that gives problems brand new off the dealer floor.

The car had over 100 000 kms, no car is immune from having problems at some point in its life, not even a Toyota.
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Okay fair enough. But quite a few major things happened to it, is why I mean. Haven't had those issues with my Japmobiles.
 
ronz91 said:
Okay fair enough. But quite a few major things happened to it, is why I mean. Haven't had those issues with my Japmobiles.
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They do break, all the time, the only difference is that people are more tolerant of a Japanese car breaking on them, even more when it's a Toyota, no one goes on the internet to rant about a Toyota, they all suffer in silence, but God have mercy on us if a Renault, Peugeot or some Chinese car breaks, people will take it upon themselves to warn everyone not to buy the brand, create Facebook pages where horror stories are shared and all that.
 
TheChamp said:
They do break, all the time, the only difference is that people are more tolerant of a Japanese car breaking on them, even more when it's a Toyota, no one goes on the internet to rant about a Toyota, they all suffer in silence, but God have mercy on us if a Renault, Peugeot or some Chinese car breaks, people will take it upon themselves to warn everyone not to buy the brand, create Facebook pages where horror stories are shared and all that.
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You really think it's that biased I don't really have trouble with mine but the Sentra is old and the Etios has been less than a year
 
ronz91 said:
You really think it's that biased I don't really have trouble with mine but the Sentra is old and the Etios has been less than a year
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Yes it is, people are generally biased towards their own cars or favourite brands. The number of Toyota Tazzes I have seen smoking on the roads is countless, but Toyota people will look at you funny if you drive an older VW or Opel.

Coming to the non mainstream brands, I know Renault is more mainstream now but it still has a stigma, what people would do is to buy the car expecting it to give problems, like buy a Haval because it's cheap but you still have no confidence in the car, the minute the battery goes flat and the car doesn't start or some sensor is giving issues all hell breaks loose.

The car is not just giving problems because it's a mechanical and an electronic machine, it is giving problems because it is Chinese, cheap and nasty and you start regretting because this is exactly what your friends and family warned you about.

Same issue with your favourite Japanese brand, no drama, just get the car towed to the workshop, keep a low profile about it because you can't let someone driving a cheap Chinese or a French car that you have been looking down on to know that your Toyota is having issues.
 
TheChamp said:
Yes it is...
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Okay it makes sense to me that this could happen. Tbf my fiesta that I gave to my bro has not left him stranded besides a water pipe breaking. But other than that we have only owned any Toyota or Nissan in my life. You think the old stereotypes don't ring true anymore with say jap vs German vs USA cars?
 
ronz91 said:
Okay it makes sense to me that this could happen. Tbf my fiesta that I gave to my bro has not left him stranded besides a water pipe breaking. But other than that we have only owned any Toyota or Nissan in my life. You think the old stereotypes don't ring true anymore with say jap vs German vs USA cars?
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Some generally do, there is no disputing that Japanese cars are generally reliable cars, mostly because they are naturally aspirated, with moderate power output engines, there is no fancy, unnecessary electronics that are just there to make your life miserable, so I will still point anyone with a modest budget towards the Japanese, not only are they reliable but they are easy to fix when they break.

A colleague of mine used to have a Toyota, the number of times I had to help the guy when the car gave issues is countless, I drive what people would seem a very troublesome car, an Opel, not once has it left me stranded on the road.

My personal feeling is that any car can be troublesome, we mitigate this by having the right knowledge about the car, because the better you understand a car the easier it would be to maintain it properly. Sometimes I just feel there are different cars for different people, that's why I advised you against the fashionable small engine turbo cars. Most of the time when there is a horror story it is usually a compatibility issue, someone bought a wrong car.
 
TheChamp said:
Some generally do, there is no disputing that Japanese cars are generally reliable cars, mostly because they are naturally aspirated, with moderate power output engines, there is no fancy, unnecessary electronics that are just there to make your life miserable, so I will still point anyone with a modest budget towards the Japanese, not only are they reliable but they are easy to fix when they break.
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agreed
TheChamp said:
A colleague of mine used to have a Toyota, the number of times I had to help the guy when the car gave issues is countless, I drive what people would seem a very troublesome car, an Opel, not once has it left me stranded on the road.
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for some reason it surprised me when I found out Opel was German, they never struck me as.
TheChamp said:
My personal feeling is that any car can be troublesome, we mitigate this by having the right knowledge about the car, because the better you understand a car the easier it would be to maintain it properly.
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this is something I have started thinking about recently on 2 accounts. 1 that I am an engineer but not a big hands on 1. 2 Japs simpler design should make it easier to understand.
TheChamp said:
Most of the time when there is a horror story it is usually a compatibility issue, someone bought a wrong car.
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What categories do you box people in and what do you generally recommend to each box?
 
ronz91 said:
What categories do you box people in and what do you generally recommend to each box?
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Someone who is well off, has a car allowance wanting to buy a "troublesome" car, let's say Alfa, because it has the reputation, let them be, they will probably be able to take it for services at the dealer and they won't mind to take the knock on resale, just load it onto the next contract.

Someone who doesn't want trouble, doesn't care about power, takes their sweet time on the roads and is generally not too informed about things mechanical, point them to an extremely underpowered 1.2l Honda Jazz or Hyundai I20 1.2l.

A young guy who as just started working and is earning loads of cash, they won't listen to you anyway, so let them go buy that overpriced VW, if it breaks down and the dealer gives him hassles he will have something to talk about with his friends.

But someone who has a set budget is usually the type that takes their money seriously, if they say they want to finance for R300k it means they have R300k, no extras that exceeds that amount so point them to a car that is value for money that will have everything for R300k, not something that looks like it's R300k but has a long list of options.

Finally the guy who has R100k in cold hard cash, a good, old fashioned NA car with a decently sized engine that is just adequate for daily driving, no unnecessary fancy staff, just a car with all the basic necessities.
 
ronz91 said:
where do they make the Fit? a colleague has one (NA, not hybrid) and it seems a good vehicle. not one I am considering but seems good.
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A Honda fit is a jazz rebranded for the other countries that neighbour SA. It's the same car.
 
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