Motherboard

[ITCynic]

Can you not get the drivers for your sata card on the internet burn it to a CD then install it when it asks to be installed (USB to install XP)?

Also, are you 100% sure you are using a Windows XP SP3 install disc, because SP3 does include SATA drivers.

XP install only accepts drivers with the F6 function from stiffy unfortunately

 

[ITCynic]

It's probably used in some kind of industrial process control environment that has old ports/slots/expansion hardware with software to boot that won't work on new hardware.

You are probably correct.

Just googled that board and it appears to have 4 com ports, 3 x PCI slots and 3 x ISA slots.

The controller boards for the X-Ray machine probably require a combination of these to work.

Having supported industrial computers before I do know they can be finicky with new hardware when the software and interfaces have been designed to work on older boards.

 

[AstroTurf]

I may have a 2 to 20gb ide drive for you...

 

[sajunky]

I did.
I could not get hold of a stiffy drive. I tried to install windows and use a sata to usb converter for the hard drive , it got to the setup screen on xp and blue screen with different errors each time. I am going to try windows 7 now.

Windows XP installation is very crappy. It doesn't support USB devices. It will bomb out on one of 3 stages of the installation. Each one use different access method and F6 method support only floppy and some (very few) USB models, listed on MS WEB site, but unlikely you will get one.

I was battling with XP on Fujitsu tablet which do not have floppy drive and found that solutions published on the net do not work if you need F6 drivers. There are two methods which do work:
1. Slipstreaming drivers to the Windows installation media and burn it on CD (the best) and alternatively USB media (not always work).
2. Get real floppy drive. I have one, you can collect for free.

I see method proposed by ITCynic, it might work (not 100% sure), it depends whether F6 drivers are installed in plug and play mode. Intel F6 drivers are installed in plug and play mode, AMD F6 drivers do not, by example.
However if you keep bootable Windows on IDE drive, it will always work.

I see another problem which I missed from the beginning: To be able to boot from SATA drive, SATA controller must support IDE compatibility mode and drive must be seen in the BIOS. It is not always the case. If it doesn't, forget booting from SATA drive (no matter how Windows is installed).
You can check in the BIOS setup (where drive mapping can be set), or during booting process. To see diagnostic data you must disable in the setup displaying Intel logo.

 

[ITCynic]

1. Slipstreaming drivers to the Windows installation media and burn it on CD (the best) and alternatively USB media (not always work).
2. Get real floppy drive. I have one, you can collect for free.

Slipstreaming the drivers works well.

I see method proposed by ITCynic, it might work (not 100% sure), it depends whether F6 drivers are installed in plug and play mode. Intel F6 drivers are installed in plug and play mode, AMD F6 drivers do not, by example.

Have a look at the motherboard specs @ http://www.ibase.com.tw/2009/mb800v.html of the board the OP is using. It is an Intel Socket 478 board so no concerns about AMD here. Good point though.

The method I proposed works well, I have used it a few times to move OS's between drives, even between IDE and SATA drives. It is the only method I could get for Win 7 to play nicely.

For XP and lower I used to use Norton Ghost booting off a flash drive.

I see another problem which I missed from the beginning: To be able to boot from SATA drive, SATA controller must support IDE compatibility mode and drive must be seen in the BIOS. It is not always the case. If it doesn't, forget booting from SATA drive (no matter how Windows is installed).
You can check in the BIOS setup (where drive mapping can be set), or during booting process. To see diagnostic data you must disable in the setup displaying Intel logo.

Not so sure about this, Many Raid & SCSI cards also use their own BIOS's for booting. In the past I have used the Sunix SATA cards to boot from as they use their own bios.

However you are quite correct that something must be displayed in the motherboard Bios to set boot order.

 

[ITCynic]

Here is a link on how to slipstream drivers into your XP install

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/how-to-integrate-floppy-sata-raid-driver-into-windows-xp-cd/

Seems to provide an easy step-by-step guide.

 

[sajunky]

Here is a link on how to slipstream drivers into your XP install

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/how-to-integrate-floppy-sata-raid-driver-into-windows-xp-cd/

Seems to provide an easy step-by-step guide.

nLite works, but does it among other things. There are other utilities or guidelines, but not always install drivers in plug and play mode and all end up with disabling checking signed drivers in Windows by default. Microsoft is very right on this issue, it is very dangerous practice. I prefer manual slipstreaming and posted in this section easy method to install Intel AHCI drivers in plug and play mode. This is important, as the same installation media can be used on different hardware and more drivers (for different controllers) can be added to the media. But it is off-topic here.

 

[sajunky]

Have a look at the motherboard specs @ http://www.ibase.com.tw/2009/mb800v.html of the board the OP is using. It is an Intel Socket 478 board so no concerns about AMD here. Good point though.

And there is no concern about drivers, as Windows have built in. I have mentioned AMD as an example, as (even the standard drivers are plug-in), F6 drivers are not.

Regarding controllers with on-board BIOS, it is for the purpose of booting from media. Such controllers don't need drivers, as Windows will use INT 13 services and standard IDE drivers. It is why I assumed that OP try yo use controller without on-board BIOS.

 

[Bezo]

Thank you everyone for the help.I can only give it a try when I get a chance as I have been busy with installation of metal detectors since last week and servicing this week. I will keep everyone updated as soon as I get free time to work on it.
Thanks again.I appreciate all the help.

 

[Rickster]

I may have a 2 to 20gb ide drive for you...

The 1700's asked for their technology back.

 

[AstroTurf]

The 1700's asked for their technology back.

Lol I have a box of them that will be going to Jan. Range from 80 meg to around 40gb

 

[Bezo]

sorry for no update in the last two months. The motherboard was faulty. I managed to get a new one of the same model and everything worked fine. Thank you for everyone's help.