Moving back to SA

spanx said:
Wow, been away for a few days so need to pick this up again. So let's try to get this discussion back on track and stop with the mud-slinging :)

It's obvious that people feel different towards the current situation in SA, some are growing more positive by the day and some more negative, just one of those things. I've also noticed that peoples attitude differs greatly depending on their location WITHIN SA.

A lot of friends/family in Gauteng tend to be either neutral or growing more negative, where as people living in the Western Cape tend to be more positive? People that has recently moved down from Gauteng to WP tend to be more positive too.

Is that a fair statement?
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Perhaps. I've always found Cape Town a more positive place than Johannesburg. But I have friends who love Johannesburg and have no intention of leaving the city or South Africa. I wouldn't live there if you paid me (and people have tried). I'd certainly be leaning towards being negative if I lived there, and it would have nothing to do with who governs the province.

The best advice here is to think about what you want. If you can afford the move and you're keen, then go for it, and don't let the negative nellies stop you. Maybe you really like, and if you don't you can go back.

- the whole country locks down after dark out of fear of crime
- many parks, picnic spots, hiking trails, dams, seaside & river spots - the fantastic outdoor style is no longer safely accessible due to criminal activity
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There are plenty of places to go. And not everyone turns their home into a fortress. It's sometimes interesting to walk down a road and see the houses of the paranoid amongst those of the merely sensible.

Maddmatt said:
What a load of s**t. As if we owe it to SA to stay here and fight the system when the majority of the country wants these idiots in charge.
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Oh, for goodness sake. Try reading again. Maybe several times. You might actually eventually understand what I wrote, because your reply indicates you have no clue right now.

can enjoy life without worrying about crime and corruption.
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I'd be happy to one day find a country without corruption amongst the political class.

AcidRaZor said:
If you're STILL wanting to move back here, be prepared to be ****ed royally and saying "thank you" as the jizz hits your face
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Be prepared for that in almost any country. I guess you have to go there to realise the more it changes, the more it's the same thing (Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr).
 
noxibox said:
Oh, for goodness sake. Try reading again. Maybe several times. You might actually eventually understand what I wrote, because your reply indicates you have no clue right now.
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Nope. Still looks like a load of s**t just written to slag off people who left.

I'd be happy to one day find a country without corruption amongst the political class.
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But at least it's lower in some places. Much, much lower. In SA it feels like the corrupt outnumber the honest.
 
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Lounger said:
Why can't our children have all the rights available to others? Since you aren't white, you have nothing to complain about since it's all given to you on a plate.
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What's given to me on a plate? And do you have facts to back up your uninformed assumptions?
 
Sly21C said:
What's given to me on a plate? And do you have facts to back up your uninformed assumptions?
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Some white people have this strange delusion that black people get given anything and everything they want.
 
Huh what?

Lovely!

/remembers that the "this is complete bs" argument with no rebuttal works with Madmann. :D
 
noxibox said:
Some white people have this strange delusion that black people get given anything and everything they want.
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And some black people have this strange delusion that all white people were handed everything they wanted. And that makes it fair to discriminate against them. :rolleyes:
 
spanx said:
Wow, been away for a few days so need to pick this up again. So let's try to get this discussion back on track and stop with the mud-slinging :)

It's obvious that people feel different towards the current situation in SA, some are growing more positive by the day and some more negative, just one of those things. I've also noticed that peoples attitude differs greatly depending on their location WITHIN SA.

A lot of friends/family in Gauteng tend to be either neutral or growing more negative, where as people living in the Western Cape tend to be more positive? People that has recently moved down from Gauteng to WP tend to be more positive too.

Is that a fair statement?
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I live in East London, its really really chilled here compared to the rest of the country. Unlike jozi we do not go into a "lock down" after dark and nights are pretty much the same as days. I live in the kinda of neighborhood where woman go jogging after dark with their ipods alone.

I lived in Jozi for a bit. An armed robbery, hijacking and shootout later I decided the place was crud and the low quality of life was not worth the money. Best places to live in SA are East London and Cape Town. Cape Town has its issues, but this can be migrated to a large degree depending on where you live. If you live in the city bowl the city is alive constantly.

These days when I have to go to Jozi for business reasons... I try make my trips as short as possible. That place is just dark.
 
PostmanPot said:
Huh what?

Lovely!

/remembers that the "this is complete bs" argument with no rebuttal works with Madmann. :D
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No, I just know that people are stubborn with these things and you cannot change their views with some forum posts. That goes for me too :p
I left SA, have no regrets about that. Might come back for a bit but I wont spend my life there, I like the 1st world too much.
 
Maddmatt said:
No, I just know that people are stubborn with these things and you cannot change their views with some forum posts. That goes for me too :p
I left SA, have no regrets about that. Might come back for a bit but I wont spend my life there, I like the 1st world too much.
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Then what's the point of posting in any threads with topics up for debate? Lol.

Cape Town and Jo'burg are first world cities. :D
 
Mila said:
And some black people have this strange delusion that all white people were handed everything they wanted. And that makes it fair to discriminate against them. :rolleyes:
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And most white people must stop flattering themselves into thinking that BEE and AA (the so called discriminations you are most probably referring to) were introduced because black people seek revenge. Black people have bigger things to concern themselves with than holding a grudge and seeking revenge/justice. Revenge will not put food on the table.
 
Sly21C said:
And most white people must stop flattering themselves into thinking that BEE and AA (the so called discriminations you are most probably referring to) were introduced because black people seek revenge. QUOTE]

Seriously ?

I guess that they wouldn't mind cancelling it then ? I find it seriously racist and offensive !
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Sly21C said:
And most white people must stop flattering themselves into thinking that BEE and AA (the so called discriminations you are most probably referring to) were introduced because black people seek revenge. Black people have bigger things to concern themselves with than holding a grudge and seeking revenge/justice. Revenge will not put food on the table.
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+1

Us whites got off lightly, I tell you. Could have been civil war, nationalisation, forced invasions, etc.
 
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