Mpumalanga farmer found dead

[Fudzy]

Just to add my heart goes out to farmers as much as any other murder/violent crime victim. Trying to rubbish investigations and evidence by constructing some swart gevaar political agenda doesn't help the cause whatsoever. They are victims because they are isolated and are seen to have more wealth and items value than neighbour of the criminal who most likely lives in a shack. Unless of course it's a psycho son or jilted husband.

 

[Xena1]

Or a more rational none out there mind might correctly deduce that the farmer knew his killer(s) and they killed him to try prevent being identified.

Ok but if they absolutely had to kill him to keep from being identified, why so violent? Couldn't they just shoot him and be done with it then? As was said, the violence that goes with it is out of sheer hate.

 

[Xena1]

Because without that farmer you won't have anything to eat and you will starve. Farmers are probably the most important and oldest profession in the world and they should get special protection and treatment. Without them the large population of SA will not exist.

+1

 

[Xena1]

It's not just that they are shot... it's the manner in which they are killed. Farm attacks are usually violent and involve torture or terrible beatings and mutilation.
We know crime happens... what we want to know is why is it happening to these people in this manner?
Go and google "farm murder victims" (and then click on images) to see what we are talking about (I hope you have a strong stomach).

Agree.

 

[Seriously]

Most reports indicate that the motive is robbery and the reason for torture and murder is get the victims to reveal more items of value to the criminals and more often than not the criminals could be identified by the victim.

Just to add my heart goes out to farmers as much as any other murder/violent crime victim. Trying to rubbish investigations and evidence by constructing some swart gevaar political agenda doesn't help the cause whatsoever. They are victims because they are isolated and are seen to have more wealth and items value than neighbour of the criminal who most likely lives in a shack. Unless of course it's a psycho son or jilted husband.

Your mind is like a scripted illogical book. That BS does not describe the real reasons for the violent nature of these crimes but as long as you lie to yourself that is just fine. Enjoy the experience!

Most people are scared and would gladly give away whatever they have just to stay alive! As for the apologetic excuse of identification fears could play a role but does the same excuse not stand for any crime and specifically for farm murders no matter what country? Give me an indication of another country with so many and in addition to that violent murders against farmers. I think you need to do a reality check and some statistical analysis and stop looking at what the local staticians say to appease Zuma.

 

[LazyLion]

Most reports indicate that the motive is robbery and the reason for torture and murder is get the victims to reveal more items of value to the criminals and more often than not the criminals could be identified by the victim.

Nope, I don't buy it. There are better ways to extract information without torture. Sounds like you are clutching at straws here.
The extent of the mutilation and torture belies something far more sinister.
Besides there is no reason then that such torture would also not happen in Suburban residential areas, but it doesn't.

 

[Fudzy]

Nope, I don't buy it. There are better ways to extract information without torture. Sounds like you are clutching at straws here.
The extent of the mutilation and torture belies something far more sinister.
Besides there is no reason then that such torture would also not happen in Suburban residential areas, but it doesn't.

It does happen in suburban areas, I think you're using selective referencing.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/hot-iron-torture-domestics-arrested-1.462914#.Uzrn4vmSz-s

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/laudium-man-tells-of-night-of-torture-1.290616#.Uzrn5vmSz-s

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afr...used-to-torture-chinese-1.303438#.UzroY_mSz-s

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/men-mistakenly-torture-wife-s-lover-1.400092#.UzroWPmSz-s

It would be useful if the police could seperate Robbery with aggrevating circumstances with Robbery with torture but unfortunately our police's reporting system isn't that detailed.

 

[Fudzy]

Your mind is like a scripted illogical book. That BS does not describe the real reasons for the violent nature of these crimes but as long as you lie to yourself that is just fine. Enjoy the experience!

Most people are scared and would gladly give away whatever they have just to stay alive! As for the apologetic excuse of identification fears could play a role but does the same excuse not stand for any crime and specifically for farm murders no matter what country? Give me an indication of another country with so many and in addition to that violent murders against farmers. I think you need to do a reality check and some statistical analysis and stop looking at what the local staticians say to appease Zuma.

Again, why do you need to get personal? Also why would independent stat sources like the Transvaal Agriculture Union, Afriforum and FF+ need to appease Zuma?

 

[Seriously]

Nope, I don't buy it. There are better ways to extract information without torture. Sounds like you are clutching at straws here.
The extent of the mutilation and torture belies something far more sinister.
Besides there is no reason then that such torture would also not happen in Suburban residential areas, but it doesn't.

Nothing you say will change his mind. I read the same comments and views from Fudzy over and over in any thread about violent murders and crime. He just cannot accept the fact there is something different about these violent crimes when compared to any other society or country, there are just no parallel to it. Normally these kind are murders are performed by sadistic psychos but here in South Africa it's a acceptable norm by certain people and thus nothing wrong with our society. The scary part is that it's real and there are so many prepared to commit these kind of sadistic murders and above normal violent crimes. Then there are a scarier part that there are individuals in government and our society that are apologetic towards these crimes and their perpetrators.

This give credence to Nukefission's thread

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/607524-I-am-islamophobic

 

[Fudzy]

Nothing you say will change his mind. I read the same comments and views from Fudzy over and over in any thread about violent murders and crime. He just cannot accept the fact there is something different about these violent crimes when compared to any other society or country, there are just no parallel to it. Normally these kind are murders are performed by sadistic psychos but here in South Africa it's a acceptable norm by certain people and thus nothing wrong with our society. The scary part is that it's real and there are so many prepared to commit these kind of sadistic murders and above normal violent crimes. Then there are a scarier part that there are individuals in government and our society that are apologetic towards these crimes and their perpetrators.

This give credence to Nukefission's thread

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/607524-I-am-islamophobic

What nonsense. You have nothing but ad hominem to add to these threads.

 

[Flanders]

I've said it before but I reckon the reason that these savage bastards do what they do to farmers is...because they can.

The fact that these people are isolated says it all. Little chance of being caught by neighbours/community/law enforcement so the cowards will do whatever they please. If this was the case everywhere then I believe we'd be seeing it all the time.

 

[Seriously]

What nonsense. ........(FUD removed).

Then prove it. Make me understand why these normal robberies turn into these sadistic, above normal violent crimes. Why not just kill the victims quick without torture if they need to be killed in the first place. Why are the same trend not witnessed anywhere else in the world?

I am sure you cannot do that as you have no facts at hand.

 

[Fudzy]

I've said it before but I reckon the reason that these savage bastards do what they do to farmers is...because they can.

The fact that these people are isolated says it all. Little chance of being caught by neighbours/community/law enforcement so the cowards will do whatever they please. If this was the case everywhere then I believe we'd be seeing it all the time.

Agreed, hence the complexes and saturated security forces of urban areas.

 

[Fudzy]

Then prove it. Make me understand why these normal robberies turn into these sadistic, above normal violent crimes. Why not just kill the victims quick without torture if they need to be killed in the first place. Why are the same trend not witnessed anywhere else in the world?

I am sure you cannot do that as you have no facts at hand.

If there is a safe on the premises or information regarding valuables that the criminal is after he will use torture to get them out. If you want examples of other tortures just look at Mexico or any country at war currently for that matter.

 

[Seriously]

If there is a safe on the premises or information regarding valuables that the criminal is after he will use torture to get them out. If you want examples of other tortures just look at Mexico or any country at war currently for that matter.

Whatever dude, use anything to sus your own mind, it's you right. I know differently and beg to differ as there are criminals and there are savages, even in this modern age, mix the two then you get what we see happening in the news!