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satanboy
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satanboy
Psychonaut seven
Too soon or was he a nice guy?
so what does that mean, you don't have respect for him?
are you trying to discredit the man?
anyone watching channel 199. the channel is showing muhammed ali all day in tribute. some of the fights are shown in full i.e. rumble in the jungle, thrilla in manila, the sonny lista fights and more. there is also his trainer and promoter talking and others. a documentary i've watched so far.
to be honest after watching some of this stuff i am beginning to think that ali was not as smart as he was. he may have said a few things that were clever but then there were things that made me cringe. no intelligent person would say these things. having watched a few things i then watched this documentary only to realise that his IQ was only 78. that says a lot to me. nope he was no clever man at all he was stupid.
to be honest after watching some of this stuff i am beginning to think that ali was not as smart as he was. he may have said a few things that were clever but then there were things that made me cringe. no intelligent person would say these things. having watched a few things i then watched this documentary only to realise that his IQ was only 78. that says a lot to me. nope he was no clever man at all he was stupid.
satanboy
Psychonaut seven
Can't say I've ever heard an intelligent sounding boxer.
thestaggy
Honorary Master
Louis is considered the prototype of the modern heavyweight, the first ''textbook'' heavyweight, the first fighter to really match brains with brawn. The preceding decades had been about the sluggers and brawlers, the Dempsey-Tunney-Sharkey fighters. Along came the Brown Bomber, one of the first fighters to put as much emphasis on footwork as on trying to knock someone's head off. He was complete. He moved well, could hit hard and he could take a punch.
Its easy to see why so many rate him so highly.
very true.
what i noticed is that ali had the "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" in the ring at all times. no other boxer has ever been that way since. if a boxer of today says his hero is muhammed ali, then he surely must have taken note of ali's ways in the ring. sometimes i think that the trainers should send the boxers to dancing lessons to get the "dance" right.
Way, way back in the 1920's there was a boxer called Gene Tunney. Former world heavyweight champ.
He was quite an intelligent and articulate chap.
His circle of friends included the US Presidents of that time.
One of his sons was a US Senator in the 70's.
More recently the former Light-Heavyweight and Cruiserweight champ- Bobby Czyz would fit in that category.
He is a prominent Mensan. High IQ.
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No. There are many examples of fighters in the lower divisions which were skillful as well as powerful.
If were talking strictly with regard to the Heavyweights, the first of that ilk was Jack Johnson.
Joe Louis was an all-time great but his footwork was slow. Watch the films. Slow, shuffling, methodical.
One of the reasons why a boxer with good movement (Billy Conn) gave him trouble and would have beaten him had he not lost his head and decided to trade blows with a monster puncher like Louis.
thestaggy
Honorary Master
Those slow feet were moving with reason, which was my point. They were the foundation upon which he built his style. This is an insightful piece.
Freddie Roach on Louis; “best textbook fighter of all time.”
Gentleman Corbett, Jack Johnson, Louis and Ali are all pioneers in their own way.
He had wonderful balance from which to throw those combinations of his. And every punch was thrown with purpose. But he needed you to co-operate by standing there in range to be hit. Any type of lateral movement and he'd be forced to reset and start his routine all over again. He had almost every attribute except for that.
Let's call him a "textbook" methodical stalker.
Ali stated he is the greatest, not the smartest so I'm not sure what your point is.
Furthermore despite him not being clever, he managed to inspire millions, something which most clever people will not be able to achieve even if given multiple lifespans.
You are the unitelligent one because you fail to see/hear Muhammad Ali's intelligence. There are more than 50 quotable quotes attributed to him. He wrote poems that help shape the black poetic tradition. He gave speeches in front of multitudes. The man invented a strategy and appropriately named it 'rope-a-dope".
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ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Nope.. sorry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope
Ali may have been the first to use it, but a photographer came up with it.
