Muslim extremism. Do they know something we don't?

peace said:
Every hero need atleast one villain, if there is no villain you cant call yourself a hero.
after fall of USSR there was no villain, usa was eyeing on china, they was hoping china will replace the ussr but china came up with different approach, (disappointment), so if you cant find one then you have to create one.

The problem starts when usa/west wants you to live the way they live.

Some bow down & some don't.
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hmmmm

maybe, but what if one entity controls both the hero and the villain- what then ?
 
Nerfherder said:
There are not really any goodies and baddies in this war. I am niether pro US or pro East but given the choice of living in an American state (simular to what we have now) or an Islamic (like Egypt or even Dubai) I choose the American way.
I have no problem with Islam except when I am forced to live by their rules, the way they treat women or their beliefs in a god. Possibly I would feel the same living in a Jewish state or even in a fundementalist christain state.

So when I see any kind of confilct on the news (American/Arab/Jewish) I feel sorry for the victums but understand that on some level I have to choose between the ugliness of war and not being able to have my own beliefs (Agnostic).
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there is difference between the way women are treated and the way they should be treated.... the sad reality of life in general is that women are mistreated all around the world regardless whether they are muslim, christian, jew, etc etc.

On the other hand, maybe some research is required to understand the position of women in islam and the way they should be treated
 
JHatman, that is a very one sided look at things.

Your title: Muslim extremism. Do they know something we don't?

Nothing in your first post explains what they know that would compel a parent to make their child strap on explosives to go and kill a group of western civilians?

Explain what they know that makes them lust for the blood of innocent western civililans...
 
Can we ask which side has the better view, and why this is so ? How do we choose a side?

It seems to me that one side has a lot to offer, and the other side just has a lot of guide lines on what should be done. USA = Choices, Islam = Restrictions. Whether or not the choices and restrictions are valid/correct/or worthwhile does not matter.
 
If one looks at the time, Islam is around 600 Years younger than Christianity
So, at the dark age around 500 Years ago the Spanish Inquisition ruled for a couple of Years, I think more than 600 Years. Thousands had been tortured and killed by the Church. Witch hunt was a sport. Mainly woman. So maybe
Islam is now at that age. Only wait another 500 Years and Islam and Christians will unite. The main difference they did not use Oil around this time.
 
just one thing.. you cannot compare the anc, palestinian groups etc to.. Al'Qaida. There is a huge difference, the one is response to a local oppressive regime on its people and the other while similar is non geographical, non specific and just plain deluded to be honest.

Essentially if you wanted to compare it to something compare it to the zionist movement in the mid-to-late 18th and early 19th century in europe, both basically hijacking relgion for their own gain in a local and international sense. Now as a pro-Israeli supporter you will shudder at this similarity etc but look, check and you will be supprised how its basically coming to the same(tho i reckon the Zionists albeit wrong their motives were more justified at the time compared to Al'Qaida.. i guess they need a holocaust too).

The US in someways is good in that in theory their laws give freedoms much like ours .. but their gov system is messed up, corrupt and combo that with 'war industry', zionist movements(yah.. cut ties with the US and see how long Israel survives with no funds coming in from there), and a downward financial & power outlook and you see they just trying in vain to clutch on to power. You may says its success that makes things look glamourous there.. but its all a mirage of debt.
 
The hysterical focus of females under Islamic law from the west is disturbing.

Do those who scream so loudly that Islamic women are thus abused ignore the thousands of battered and raped women in their own societies ?

In their eagerness to judge those they don't understand and do no agree with, they
blithely ignore the splinter in their own eye.

Perhaps the fact that the USA is founded on the callous and coldblooded murder of a whole nation (Native Americans) and the fact they have often lied and deceived to invade other sovereign nations is a good enough reason to be suspicious and if not suspicious at least very careful of how this mighty nation plans to keep feeding, clothing and supplying their vast consumer society with the goodies needed in a world running out of resources.

Fundamentalism in all it's forms is mostly due to a lack of education or indoctrination or vengeance (often a combination). I am as careful of Islamic fundamentalism as I am of Christian and Jewish fundamentalism.

Suicide bombers today remind me of the Christian Crusades and the hundreds of women and children so easily burned alive by sceptre wielding god fearing priests.

Of course the strapping of bombs to innocents is horrifying and in no way justified, just as the raping of thousands of South African women cannot be justified - it indicates a certain lack of civilness, education and a form of barbarism, this world should do everything it can to eradicate.

While some of us, envision a near future in a quantum universe, others still run around like apes, the contrast is great and for the sake of all of humanity,
we need to bring an end to superstition once and for all.
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Religion = The death of rational thought and by inference rational behaviour
 
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Arko2 has a point, if there was no Oil in the situation, then it would not matter any more than the Mormon problem. They have it, we need it. Now a clever person would try to work out the best possible way to profit from this, which would include freeing up restrictions on their voters. Something the Islamic world does not want, that is an educated public with the ability to choose. Because this public could choose not to be Islamic and then where would the Immans be?
 
wrathex said:
The hysterical focus of females under Islamic law from the west is disturbing.

Do those who scream so loudly that Islamic women are thus abused ignore the thousands of battered and raped women in their own societies ?

In their eagerness to judge those they don't understand and do no agree with, they
blithely ignore the splinter in their own eye.

Perhaps the fact that the USA is founded on the callous and coldblooded murder of a whole nation (Native Americans) and the fact they have often lied and deceived to invade other sovereign nations is a good enough reason to be suspicious and if not suspicious at least very careful of how this mighty nation plans to keep feeding, clothing and supplying their vast consumer society with the goodies needed in a world running out of resources.

Fundamentalism in all it's forms is mostly due to a lack of education or indoctrination or vengeance (often a combination). I am as careful of Islamic fundamentalism as I am of Christian and Jewish fundamentalism.

Suicide bombers today remind me of the Christian Crusades and the hundreds of women and children so easily burned alive by sceptre wielding god fearing priests.

Of course the strapping of bombs to innocents is horrifying and in no way justified, just as the raping of thousands of South African women cannot be justified - it indicates a certain lack of civilness, education and a form of barbarism, this world should do everything it can to eradicate.

While some of us, envision a near future in a quantum universe, others still run around like apes, the contrast is great and for the sake of all of humanity,
we need to bring an end to superstition once and for all.
___________________
Religion = The death of rational thought and by inference rational behaviour
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Which of the above is in the past and to who does it belong to, then answer which of the above is current and who does it belong to. Some have learn and put in place better methods and others have stayed the same.
 
Where are the Muslim protesters against Muslim extremist acts. We have USA protesters against USA extremist acts, but where are the Islam ones?
 
marine1 said:
There are none as they all silently support the extremists perhaps?
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In fact, here is a challenge to any openly Muslim believer, to say here on this forum, that they state that Suicide Bombing and killing of people by Muslims is wrong and evil. Say that loudly and proudly and then maybe you will gain some credit.
 
Tinfoil hat time :erm:

JHatman said:
Any of you from the US know the patriot act has allowed the US a free-for-all on its citizens, to spy on every single citizen, tapping your cellphone and email conversations, monitoring you're every movement with CCTV. They have dozens of satellites monitoring movements of vehicles and individuals.
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Sweden among others also spy on it's citizens :rolleyes:

If you are a non-white person, the police have full freedom to interrogate you including taking your personal details, recent whereabouts and if you don't comply they will arrest you.
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What absolute bull****. Supply proof for your ludicrous statements ffs
 
Alan said:
What absolute bull****. Supply proof for your ludicrous statements ffs
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Well if you have a small population base to start with and this base has a higher crime rate in it, then chances are that you will get a criminal each time you grab one from the pool, more often. Basic Stats.
 
Muslim extremists are fighting everyone..
Israel, US, Russia, Europe, Africa, India, China, secularists, those of other religions, homosexuals, those of other sects inside their own religion, those of the same sect..

Common denominator suggests a lot.
 
Balstrome said:
Where are the Muslim protesters against Muslim extremist acts. We have USA protesters against USA extremist acts, but where are the Islam ones?
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Read any decent news website and see what is happening in Iran, Egypt, Pakistan or Yemen. Extremists are a microscopic minority of Muslims, the vast majority of which are ordinary people, just like you are. (unless you are a Christian fundamenatlist, of whom there are MILLIONS).

BTW, look up "Oklohama bombing", so you can learn that there are NO Christian terrosrists in the world.
 
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