Muslim extremism. Do they know something we don't?

Austro-liberal Anarchist is the technical term for my political views. Liberal = old liberal, not modern liberal. Modern liberals are in fact in direct opposition opposition to the liberal tradition.

If I had to vote for a U.S. president it would be Ron Paul.

Imagine the freedom and enhanced risk taking of individuals if the burdens of health and education are removed.

Your words. If you do not have to pay for education and/or healthcare directly, then you will have greater freedom. I am assuming its because you seem to think you have more disposable income in the household than before, thus you have greater "freedom" in what you can pursue in life.

We all know that "free" education/healthcare is in fact not "free". It is paid for via taxes.

So if the taxes used to pay for education, are = cost or the price you would pay if you didn't pay the tax, then you do not in fact have a greater disposable income, thus you do not in fact have greater freedom.

If the taxes paid are less than the cost, then essentially someone else is making up the shortfall, and they are experiencing a LOSS of disposable income.

So your increase in disposable income is paid for out of someone else's decrease in disposable income.

Saying the money for your childs education or your health comes out of your wifes taxes doesn't change the fact that taxes are a COMPULSORY levy, it might benefit you but it doesn't benefit me.

Now I will show you how, if you have "free" education, it will increase the price of private education.

On the market, firms compete with each other on price and quality of the product. Basically the firm who offers the most value to consumers (Value as a function of price and quality) will stay in business and be more profitable than other firms.

Now private schools require children (Consumers/Payers) in order to remain open. They are competing for consumers with government schools. Government schools do not have the same need for kids as private schools do. Any shortfall can simply come out of more taxes (Compulsion or force, private schools cannot force people to come to them and pay them)

If government school education becomes free then private schools cannot compete with public schools (By luring consumers away) on price. As they cannot offer education for free.

They can only compete on quality(Must offer greater value than public schools). In order to do this they have to have the very best in order to justify the prices charged,as any price charged will seem excessive when compared to "free" public education.

In order to have the best teachers, equipment, facilities etc. private schools have to buy the best and lure the best teachers away from government schools by offering huge salaries, further INCREASING the costs of private education and DECREASING the quality of public education, as generally all the best teachers will work in the private sector. Not to mention that even if private citizens pay huge amounts for private education, they STILL pay for government education through taxes.

Thus one can demonstrate how "free" public education, similar to healthcare, increases the cost of private education/healthcare.

If you then make private education illegal to get around this problem, then you are REMOVING choice from individuals. Thus restricting freedom and individual liberty.

Is that rational and coherent enough for you? I think you need a more coherent understanding of the liberal tradition, freedom, property and market forces.
 
Austro-liberal Anarchist is the technical term for my political views. Liberal = old liberal, not modern liberal. Modern liberals are in fact in direct opposition opposition to the liberal tradition.

If I had to vote for a U.S. president it would be Ron Paul.

Wow! I’m happy for you.

If you do not have to pay for education and/or healthcare directly, then you will have greater freedom. I am assuming its because you seem to think you have more disposable income in the household than before, thus you have greater "freedom" in what you can pursue in life.

Wrongo (don’t put words in my mouth). Disposal income never came into it. Because the families health and schooling needs were taken care of by my wife’s job, it allowed me the **freedom** not to be trapped in a single job because I was the sole breadwinner and I was scared of losing it. Duh!

We all know that "free" education/healthcare is in fact not "free". It is paid for via taxes.

No s**t, Sherlock. Lots of rambling about ‘disposal income’ deleted.

Is that rational and coherent enough for you? I think you need a more coherent understanding of the liberal tradition, freedom, property and market forces.

No, it’s not. You simply ramble and make things up which you attribute to me. My posts are quite clear. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist. Are you perhaps a Republican with an anti-Democrat agenda?
 
Can't you read? I made my political stance quite clear.

It’s not – in fact it restricts freedom and risk taking. When the Republicans snipe at the Democrats they generally use Obama’s health reforms. “Creeping socialism” they trumpet. “An erosion of risk taking and freedom of the Great American Way”. This is absolute rubbish and the opposite is true. Imagine the freedom and enhanced risk taking of individuals if the burdens of health and education are removed.

What are you saying here. It sounds like you are advocating "free" healthcare and education provided for the public from the state.

You say when the burden of paying for healthcare and education directly yourself is lifted (Because someone else pays for it) then you have greater freedom.

You need to explain yourself. What do you mean by the burden is lifted. It sounds like you are saying government takes care of it, then you say its your wife. Then why the comments about capitalism vs socialism.
 
Besides Obama's healthcare reform bill has to do with health insurance not health care, in that it forces people to buy insurance.

Read this article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/schiff/schiff64.1.html

After that comes the bill preventing insurance companies from excluding anyone with a pre-existing condition. Article here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/williams-w/w-williams16.html

This will bankrupt the insurance companies, leaving many without insurance and unable to pay for health care directly.

This in turn will call for total socialist reform of healthcare to become like the British NHS and the failures will be attributed to the "free-market" which is totally wrong.
 
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Besides Obama's healthcare reform bill has to do with health insurance not health care, in that it forces people to buy insurance.

Read this article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/schiff/schiff64.1.html

After that comes the bill preventing insurance companies from excluding anyone with a pre-existing condition. Article here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/williams-w/w-williams16.html

This will bankrupt the insurance companies, leaving many without insurance and unable to pay for health care directly.

This in turn will call for total socialist reform of healthcare to become like the British NHS and the failures will be attributed to the "free-market" which is totally wrong.

Leave the Americans to choose their own healthcare solutions and the Brits to choose theirs. If it works for them, great. If it doesnt, they will make changes.
 
If reform is forced by law where is the choice?

In Britain people don't have a choice to pay less taxes and not use the NHS. They have to pay higher taxes to cover the NHS (No choice).

Freedom is about the individuals freedom, or individuals choice. Not government choosing for us.
 
Because the families health and schooling needs were taken care of by my wife’s job, it allowed me the **freedom** not to be trapped in a single job because I was the sole breadwinner and I was scared of losing it. Duh!

But your wife is not free to leave her job, because then WHO will pay for education or healthcare. Its only because your wife stays that you are free. So where does you freedom come from. Someone else has to give up their freedom.

If this is enforced by law, its wrong.

"There is no cure for stupidity"
 
And that, people, is the reason I am fully against Islam, they want to destroy Israel and the rest of the world. If you are not with them, you are against them.
That is their so called teachings.
Oh and Arabs portray themselves in a bad light they don't need the media to do it for them.
Zionism is real thats for sure and believe me its going nowhere so keep dreaming.

Theres nothing with the rest of the world. Muslims have nothing against the Christians or other religions to an extent. Its the 2 step brothers that have a problem, you dont belong to either group, your views mean nothing to either group... go find yourself dude.
The media is the one broadcasting all the crap you belive in. They dont care about you, they just want you to believe their stories.
Zionism has been cursed by so many in the world, go do your homework.


...and the OP was saying that the "west" was brainwashed!!

Ofcourse you dont think you brainwashed. Why would you think that lol!!
Things are happening in front of you, you completely oblivious to it, like your knowledge of cricket...
 
I have a theory. As a muslim we have been schooled in a very distinct way. The Quraan has thought us to open our minds to the agendas of the world. Theres nothing evil about the US. Its those that run it, their intentions. Zionism is real. A new world order is coming. The Muslims will be immune to it (i hope). Beware the flute of the media. Do not bow down to it. For decades they have portrayed Muslims and arabs in a bad light. They know why. We know why. Its not Islams fight against Zionism, it should be the worlds... until its to late.

Why the sole focus on Zionism?

Zionism currently is affecting the lives of a few million Muslims in the ME while Islamic extremism is bringing misery to hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world. For every victim of "Zionism" there's 100+ victims of Islamic extremism.
 
Why the sole focus on Zionism?

Zionism currently is affecting the lives of a few million Muslims in the ME while Islamic extremism is bringing misery to hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world. For every victim of "Zionism" there's 100+ victims of Islamic extremism.

Its not the Jews... its the Zionist jews, not the Orthodox jews, the Zionist jews...

And why is that?
If its only a few million Muslims being opressed the others should just shut up right?
Like the Jewish people Muslims also have a brotherhood that expands international lines, even if we do fight with each other theres the common enemy that we as Muslims will all stand up against.
And for that this war will never end.
 

Its not the Jews... its the Zionist jews, not the Orthodox jews, the Zionist jews...

And why is that?
If its only a few million Muslims being opressed the others should just shut up right?
Like the Jewish people Muslims also have a brotherhood that expands international lines, even if we do fight with each other theres the common enemy that we as Muslims will all stand up against.
And for that this war will never end.

So you have no problem if I decide to do my part against Muslim and no employ or deal with any Muslim run organisation. If I decide to send funds to support people who do physical harm to Muslims and their supporters. Because that is what you are supporting and I can not see why I should not be allowed similar rights. In fact I don't need to ask your towel-headed opinion on this, I can just go ahead and do it, just like you have.
 
I think people attitudes towards these extremist are placed on all Muslims and not just extremists.

Wonder why Muslims then seem to think attacks in the Middle East are not attacks against terrorism but attacks against their religion?
 
I think people attitudes towards these extremist are placed on all Muslims and not just extremists.
The use of the term "extremist" is just to be PC.
The terrorists claim that they are Muslims and they cite passages from the Koran to justify actions.

The recent Christmas day attempted bombing of a plane by the Nigerian - he claims to be a Muslim - do you accept that he is Muslim ?
 
So because a few Muslims commit these crimes, we must prosecute all of them?
 
So because a few Muslims commit these crimes, we must prosecute all of them?

Well they don't want to restrict their own members, so yes, it's up to us to do it.

If you have a restaurant, and a family comes in with a brat, who starts to break cups and plates, you will chuck the whole family out, not just the brat. Similar to muslims, if they don't control their own, they all must off.
 
Well they don't want to restrict their own members, so yes, it's up to us to do it.

If you have a restaurant, and a family comes in with a brat, who starts to break cups and plates, you will chuck the whole family out, not just the brat. Similar to muslims, if they don't control their own, they all must off.

So by that very analogy there should be no Germany. The USA should be invaded because of the Atomic Bomb aswell.

Please controlling a kid in a restaurant is miles apart from controlling human beings in a wide area. Even Israel have their wackos.
 
So by that very analogy there should be no Germany. The USA should be invaded because of the Atomic Bomb aswell.

Please controlling a kid in a restaurant is miles apart from controlling human beings in a wide area. Even Israel have their wackos.

There is no more Nazi Germany, we got rid of it. No More Cold War MAD option, we realise that is not a workable solution. And yes, brat kid is equal to extremist muslims. How many Israel suicide bombers are there, it's a staple of the muslim diet. Convert, Tax or Kill. Jews do not hold that system, no other people hold that system, only the muslims. Jew whacko's get restrained by Jews,

I have yet to hear of a muslim believer who says the prophet was wrong in saying that the faithful must Convert, Tax or Kill unbelievers.

And to counter ahead of time, you are the Koran reader, you look it up.
 
There is no more Nazi Germany, we got rid of it. No More Cold War MAD option, we realise that is not a workable solution. And yes, brat kid is equal to extremist muslims. How many Israel suicide bombers are there, it's a staple of the muslim diet. Convert, Tax or Kill. Jews do not hold that system, no other people hold that system, only the muslims. Jew whacko's get restrained by Jews,

I have yet to hear of a muslim believer who says the prophet was wrong in saying that the faithful must Convert, Tax or Kill unbelievers.

And to counter ahead of time, you are the Koran reader, you look it up.

Good post!

You even get wackos on the forum who encourage the Muslim extremist
 
Well they don't want to restrict their own members, so yes, it's up to us to do it.

If you have a restaurant, and a family comes in with a brat, who starts to break cups and plates, you will chuck the whole family out, not just the brat. Similar to muslims, if they don't control their own, they all must off.

Killing innocents is also a crime. So all Americans should be killed by a country.

Then because American innocents are killed by a certain country, all the members of that country should be killed, and so on and so forth.

In the end the last nation to get involved is left standing.

So non-intervention wins!
 
Killing innocents is also a crime. So all Americans should be killed by a country.

Then because American innocents are killed by a certain country, all the members of that country should be killed, and so on and so forth.

In the end the last nation to get involved is left standing.

So non-intervention wins!

Innocents, yes, but if they supply support to Islamic terrorists, then they are no longer innocents. The safety of children and non combatants resides on the people who put them in danger.

An example, a village in upper Taliban land, where not one of the members, all believers in the Islamic religion, do not supply or support the Taliban terrorists in any way or form. The chances of them being killed by the American army are nil. There is no reason for the USA to kill them.

If the Taliban Terrorists come begging for support, then the village has two choices, give support and take the death from the USA drones, or report these Terrorists to the US Army so that they can help get rid of them.

What this leads to is who is in fact right, and clearly the US/Western way has more to offer mankind that the myth that Islam burdens it's believers with.
 
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