Muslims protect churches

Any chance you could just give me a link to it please ;) I search but can't find it specifically.

Don't have them off hand I think they in the philosophical thread, But its home time for me now :) be back 2moro hey if u gonna look for them you know what I am talking about once u see them, its to do with application of the laws and severity level depending on circumstance,

* will try to look via my cell when I get home but hope you understand how much of a pain that is
 
Joy_Energiser you are obviously very bored today, this thread was done and dusted ages ago, and trying to rake up mud on those of us who disagree with your tiny little mind is going to get you nowhere. Go and troll on some other forum.

You take my quotes totally out of context and think you can take a dig at me. Get a life and have a nice day!

Edit sorry wrong person ;)

Hey I also want to put in my 2 cents, regardless how old this might be!
 
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Ahh I'm sorry man, 19 pages is just so much to go through :(, I only started at 10, It's entirely possible that you didn't post anything juicy enough and may well be quite a decent Muslim ;)

I wouldn't say Your my enemy, more like the religion is my enemy.Perhaps people that follow it blindly and let logic and reason fall on the wayside too.

Just read this post now and had to comment via cell, If you are religious then you of all ppl should that religion should not be taken lightly and application of logic is a must, following blindly is not truly following and that letting logic and reason fall by wayside is a crime, the first command sent down To our Prophet S.A.W. was to Read, the specific word used urges not only reading but reading with comprehension, further one of the saying the prophet S.A.W. is that knowledge is incumbent (Imposed as an obligation or duty) on every Muslim male and female , and to seek knowledge even if it is china (or no matter how far you have to go)
 
Just read this post now and had to comment via cell, If you are religious then you of all ppl should that religion should not be taken lightly and application of logic is a must, following blindly is not truly following and that letting logic and reason fall by wayside is a crime, the first command sent down To our Prophet S.A.W. was to Read, the specific word used urges not only reading but reading with comprehension, further one of the saying the prophet S.A.W. is that knowledge is incumbent (Imposed as an obligation or duty) on every Muslim male and female , and to seek knowledge even if it is china (or no matter how far you have to go)


I hear what you are saying, and for a Muslim I actually like what you have to say and respect you, mainly because you don't get defensive and attack blasphemous content, which shows that you are not insecure about your religion.

Unfortunately what you have said above contradicts itself. Any rational , logical person would outright condemn some of the barbaric punishments that exist in Shariah Law, here are a few examples.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul1.htm

1996-MAR: Afghanistan: Some strict interpretations of Islamic law calls for the death penalty for any woman found in the company of a man other than a close family member. Sexual activity is assumed to have happened. A woman, Jamila, was found guilty of trying to leave the country with such a man. She was caught and stoned to death on 1996-MAR-28.

2000-AUG: A woman, "Amina Abdullahi is sentenced to 100 lashes in the state of Zamfara for having premarital sex." 4

2001-SEP: Nigeria: A teenage single mother, Bariya Ibrahim Magazu claimed at trial that she was raped by three men. The court assumed that she was guilty, because she could not prove that her father pressured her to engage in sexual activity with the men. She was found guilty of two offenses: having pre-marital sex, and bringing false charges against the men that she claimed were responsible. Her sentence was 180 lashes. 5 "When non governmental groups ramped up pressure to free the girl, the government immediately carried out the sentence, ignoring a promised appeal process. The local authorities said they wanted to put an end to the controversy."

That last one is an absolute f'ckin shocker.

Now I know these are some extreme cases, but regardless these punishments are condoned by Islamic believes.

Now of course you have the right to condemn these acts and can safely do so here in Sunny SA, but I doubt you would be so safe if you were in any other predominately Muslim nation.

This culminates in my point, so the only reason I can come up as to why these vile acts are permitted is because

A) people are blindly following religious law and beliefs like sheep(which you say is not true following.)

Or

B) Those Muslim's are pretty much cruel, chauvinistic and generally dogmatist people.(which, as hard as I may try is becoming more and more a viable option, although deep inside me I still believe this is very incorrect and only apply to a very select few)

So being the generous type I attribute the above to being A, which is contradictory to what you have said, the basis of this is that obviously any rational, logical and sympathetic person would outright condemn these acts, but that is just the opposite for Islam, it’s the f’ckin law!!

Please let me know if my logic is flawed.
 
Well I don't have an answer to that, I tell you let ask my sister who studied sharia law to give you that answer. I just need some patients from you tho cos she is very busy :erm:
honestly I dont even know what she would make of this :confused:
 
He makes good points, you should check out Naoh Feldman , he has some good points too.

Unfortunately it still boils down to one issue, until Islam and Muslim people treat their women and regard them as equals, in the legal system life and everywhere else, Shariah Law will never be accepted by the west.
 
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He makes good points, you should check out Naoh Feldman , he has some good points too.

Unfortunately it still boils down to one issue, until Islam and Muslim people treat their women and regard them as equals, in the legal system life and everywhere else, Shariah Law will never be accepted by the west.

+1.

The only way to have a society where everyone gets as much freedom to do as they please as is practically possible is to regard everyone as equals. Forcing your will (or the will of a book that some people claim is the word of their god) is not the way to build a happy society. What gives any one group the right to enforce their will on any other? Recognise the laws that stabilise society and give everyone equality. Anything else is just one group trying to dominate another.
 
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