Muslims protect churches

[FunkyToyz]

I never said I was well informed about it. In fact in this very thread I freely admitted that I'm no expert. .

Thank you – I request that you not refer to the Islamic Law as Shakira’s Law as I feel that you have no right to, nor do you have any right to disrespect the Shariah Law seeing as above is the case.

Quite frankly I don't know why you feel the need to misrepresent me. Having said that it is not difficult to see when one group is being treated differently to another group based upon a criterion that neither side can control in any system.

I do though have strong feelings about sexism yes. Western society fought hard for the rights women enjoy today and I dislike the idea of any institution seeking to tip the scales again.

Please stop crying about misrepresentation. The way you came across so strongly of your disrespect for the Islamic Law made me think that you must be some expert on the topic. I am no expert on the law myself, this does not give me the right to disrespect it, or anything else for that matter.

Simple quick single example: Under Shakira law a husband can act as both husband and all witnesses (I think the number of witnesses required is 4 if I recall correctly but I'm not 100% sure on the exact number) in his wife's adultery trial. A women cannot do the same. This is inequality. There are of course many more examples but you only really need one to see what I'm talking about.

Proving adultery under Muslim law can be a very difficult task as it requires the accuser to produce four eye witnesses to the act of sexual intercourse, each of whom should have a good reputation for truthfulness and honesty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#Asia

By the way this isn't based on heresay. I've read the sections that deal with these particular parts of Shakira law. Feel free to look up the thread in PD where they were quoted it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes to find.

You see - the law refers that the accuser (albeit male or female) requires four substantial witnesses.

You need to understand, that Shariah Law is the law of God (Allah), disrespecting this law means disrespecting God.

Also please note, that because we are human, we tend to always misrepresent things in our life, and this is exactly what is happening in here and as a result, the cause of your disrespect.

 

[copacetic]

You need to understand, that Shariah Law is the law of God (Allah), disrespecting this law means disrespecting God.

I do not respect Shariah law at all. Not even a smidgeon. What does this mean for me?

 

[marine1]

I do not respect Shariah law at all. Not even a smidgeon. What does this mean for me?

Death to you Infidel !!! I keeeel you

 

[porchrat]

Thank you – I request that you not refer to the Islamic Law as Shakira’s Law as I feel that you have no right to, nor do you have any right to disrespect the Shariah Law seeing as above is the case.

You may request all you wish.

Please stop crying about misrepresentation.

I will stop crying about it when people stop doing it.

The way you came across so strongly of your disrespect for the Islamic Law made me think that you must be some expert on the topic.

That is your fault then not mine as I was perfectly clear and straightforward in that regard in this very thread. Don't blame me for your laziness when it comes to reading.

I am no expert on the law myself, this does not give me the right to disrespect it, or anything else for that matter.

I never said I disrespected every aspect of it. However as it is an all-or-nothing deal though I cannot show it respect as a whole when there is even one part of it that I don't respect.

You see - the law refers that the accuser (albeit male or female) requires four substantial witnesses.

I agree. However it also says that if the man swears he is telling the truth he may stand as those 4 witnesses as well.

Multiple wives whilst no multiple husbands are allowed is another nasty example of inequality BTW.

You need to understand, that Shariah Law is the law of God (Allah), disrespecting this law means disrespecting God.

and you need to understand that I don't believe that and therefore don't see it that way. Not everyone believes as you do. To demand that I change how I express myself to suit your beliefs whilst you refuse to recognise and respect my opinions is hypocrisy. It is tantamount to saying that your opinions are more important than mine.

Also please note, that because we are human, we tend to always misrepresent things in our life

I don't know about you but I definitely don't always misrepresent myself or the things I discuss. Perhaps I do sometimes in error but very very seldom.

and this is exactly what is happening in here and as a result, the cause of your disrespect.

No not really. I am not required to respect everything you respect. My disrespect of Shakira doesn't result from a misrepresentation and I'm insulted that you think it does. Your attitude seems to be that nobody could possibly think Shakira law is sexist if they properly understood it. This is nonsense. Shakira law does indeed treat men and women differently. It is sexist by any common English definition of the word. I have not misrepresented anything that I am aware of. You don't have to like it but you're going to have a hard time demonstrating that it isn't sexist. Don't get me wrong I'm not just picking on Shakira law alone here, I think many religions are sexist, it's just that Shakira law is the thing up for discussion right now.

 

[Mineer]

I do not respect Shariah law at all. Not even a smidgeon. What does this mean for me?

Death to you Infidel !!! I keeeel you

This not not the response of a Muslim
I am Muslim but I wont response copacetic comment this way
* edit

in fact I agree with copacetic, his not Muslim so why should he subjected to respecting a law he does not believe in,
Qur'an 2:256: "There is no compulsion in religion."

 

[copacetic]

This not not the response of a Muslim
I am Muslim but I wont response copacetic comment this way

As a Muslim what do you think about this fact though? I don't say it because I am trying to be disrespectful or anything, I am simply being truthful - Sharia law means nothing whatsoever to me, and I can't see any reason why it should.

I feel the same way about biblical law (or any religious law for that matter) as well, obviously.

 

[Mineer]

As a Muslim what do you think about this fact though? I don't say it because I am trying to be disrespectful or anything, I am simply being truthful - Sharia law means nothing whatsoever to me, and I can't see any reason why it should.

I feel the same way about biblical law (or any religious law for that matter) as well, obviously.

read my edit

 

[copacetic]

read my edit

Yeah, got it thanks.

 

[porchrat]

This not not the response of a Muslim
I am Muslim but I wont response copacetic comment this way
* edit

in fact I agree with copacetic, his not Muslim so why should he subjected to respecting a law he does not believe in,
Qur'an 2:256: "There is no compulsion in religion."

Well said. Possibly the best post in this entire thread. I salute you sir. To those that don't hold this attitude I say "for shame".

 

[Mineer]

I have no issues with non Muslims who respectfully disagree, hey its all good, we are all humans and I respect that fact, first and foremost, you all are humans and deserve a level of respect no matter what your religious belief or lack there off, You all have a right to live, a right to be dealt with justly, A Right to be a Muslim, Christian, Jewish any other religion or non religion for that matter,
You may respectfully disagree, As I respectfully disagree with Christian Judaism and atheism or other, I do believe Islam is the right way, however I cant force you to my beliefs, but hope that my mannerisms persuade you to this way of life, but this will be your choice not forced or coerced, I don't have all the answers, I am just living my life to the best way I know how,

Peace to all, I really mean this, male and female, Muslim and non Muslim

 

[Ronjay]

I have no issues with non Muslims who respectfully disagree, hey its all good, we are all humans and I respect that fact, first and foremost, you all are humans and deserve a level of respect no matter what your religious belief or lack there off, You all have a right to live, a right to be dealt with justly, A Right to be a Muslim, Christian, Jewish any other religion or non religion for that matter,
You may respectfully disagree, As I respectfully disagree with Christian Judaism and atheism or other, I do believe Islam is the right way, however I cant force you to my beliefs, but hope that my mannerisms persuade you to this way of life, but this will be your choice not forced or coerced, I don't have all the answers, I am just living my life to the best way I know how,

Peace to all, I really mean this, male and female, Muslim and non Muslim

I feel the same way as a Christian.

 

[Mineer]

I feel the same way as a Christian.

I thank you Ronjay for all your comments on this thread I appreciate it much more than words can say, and I wish you the best in this life and the hereafter,

 

[joy_Energiser]

Boo hoo, cry me a f'kin river. Those are the minority (surely with some hidden
agenda ) who preach their own garbage on what they interpret of the Quraan.

Unless you hear credible Muslim clerics promoting hate speech yourself, i suggest you keep quiet. You ( and your friends, you know who you are ) are the true definition of the word Imbecile.

Lol, hes just proved you wrong and you give him a "Boo hoo cry me f'kin river" and then you insult him. are you for real? Please tell me you are joking right? or is this the typical Muslim response when you are proven wrong ?

Have a look at this
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/304841-It-s-not-a-phobia-–-it-s-rational-to-fear-Islam

"There is evidence for such fears. A study by Policy Exchange showed that 37% of British-born Muslims aged 16-24 would prefer sharia here, 37% would like to send their children to Islamic state schools and — incredibly — 36% think Muslims converting to another faith should be punished by death. What’s more alarming is that older Muslims are much less likely to take these attitudes and are far less alienated than their children’s generation."

What kind of followers would willingly punish believers by death because they convert?
Lets not even go into Shariah Law, which is just so prejudice its simply laughable and
f'kin barbaric, but hell you just carry on believing that Muslims are the moral, peaceful type until you either get stoned to death or pull your head out of your ass one day. :wtf:

its another Mossad false flag op- same as every "terrorist" attack that has taken place in the last 50 plus years.
just like 9/11, madrid train bombings, london bus bombings.
i dont know why you people who consider yourself to be intelligent and nobodys fool, are afraid to speak the truth?
there is no Al Qaeda- its just a bogeyman/scapegoat created to take the blame for the actions of the Zionazis- this gives them an excuse to invade muslim lands and kill innocent people & steal their natural resources & mineral wealth.
if you think this is "anti semitism" then i wont be surprised- this is the standard defence when anyone speaks the truth about zionist Israel and its actions.
maybe you are protecting your family members & friends who have joined mercenary companies like Blackwater and are earning good money by killing innocent muslims- i know quite a few white south africans are there.
what about SA Jews who serve in the Israeli terrorist army?

just like how you white people like to tell us muslims to speak out against the terrorist elements amongs us- to expose and condemn them- you say you know most of us are good people and are not part of their evil actions..

why dont you have the guts to tell the Jews that?

go complain to the moderators/administrators- do what you want.
the truth remains the truth.

lololol!

Wow, there is just so much funny in that post, especially

"here is no Al Qaeda- its just a bogeyman/scapegoat created to take the blame for the actions of the Zionazis- this gives them an excuse to invade muslim lands and kill innocent people & steal their natural resources & mineral wealth."

So let me get this straight, AL-Qaeda are not muslims, hell they don't even exist?
Lol! Sure bud, get back in your cave,(and go pickup your meds please, before you hurt some one or even yourself)

God-damn nut case.

Lets see
- Mohhamad Cartoons resulted in attacks on Chrisatains around the world
- Movie submission - director killed; Submission 2 - threats of violance
- South Park - Threats made against creators
- Threat to burn Koran resulted in violent protests around the world
- Pope quotes a historical document in a lecture and violence erupts
- Satanic Verses controversy muslims ordered to kill Salman Rushdie's
- Abdul Rahman - converts to Christianity a personal decisions most Muslims in afghan want him killed
- Geert Wilder’s film results in death threats and threats of violence

This is a good point, Christianity has matured since the crusades, They have committed their fair share of atrocities mainly due to political twisting of religion.

Muslims on the other hand have these prejudices built into the bible from the get go though, a perfect example is the way they treat their women.There is absolutely no doubt about it.

The fact that Muslims fly off the handle at the slightest sign of free speech against their religion and how the Quran is more about being negative towards non-muslims than actual Muslims a sure sign of an inferiority complex that is deeply embedded into Muslim society,Wonder why hey.

Which all goes to underline the fact that certain people on this forum will debate (?)/stir, whatever you want to call it about something they have no idea about whatsoever.

I know hey, its ridiculous that some people just can't accept barbaric law's, why can't they just mind their own business.

What utter bollocks! The fact that you deliberately choose to say Shakira instead of Sharia shows that you couldn't give a tinker's damn about the subject. It is YOUR behaviour that is not only dishonest, but reprehensible!

Yes he deliberately undermines it because of how barbaric it is, I thought this was evident.In all honesty anyone who supports this law is no better than a murderer.

+100

its amusing that he doesn't realize what a fool he is making of himself, it is pointless to

argue with any element of the mybb bigot brigade, you will get more balance and logic

out of a rock than you will out of these types.

No need to belittle him because most of what he says goes over your head

yes, bigot brigade.

"debate" such as the present one with the irrational bias and intolerance you have

Like the irrational bias and intolerance Muslims have towards women ?

Although my sentiments seem highly Anti-Muslim, It's probably too late to convince you that I am generally Anti-Any Religion. As a Atheist/Agnostic its just a mystery to me why people put themselves through so much prejudice.

 

[Mineer]

Lol, hes just proved you wrong and you give him a "Boo hoo cry me f'kin river" and then you insult him. are you for real? Please tell me you are joking right? or is this the typical Muslim response when you are proven wrong ?..... all the rest

How about attacking my post I feel so left out and since all the ppl (or at least the comments made by them) you are attacking (they) have denied being Muslim, So my request is for you to attack my post's as I am Muslim and a proud Muslim, leave off the non-Muslims who don't agree with your views but focus your attention to me, after All I am your enemy not them

 

[joy_Energiser]

How about attacking my post I feel so left out and since all the ppl (or at least the comments made by them) you are attacking (they) have denied being Muslim, So my request is for you to attack my post's as I am Muslim and a proud Muslim, leave off the non-Muslims who don't agree with your views but focus your attention to me, after All I am your enemy not them

Ahh I'm sorry man, 19 pages is just so much to go through , I only started at 10, It's entirely possible that you didn't post anything juicy enough and may well be quite a decent Muslim

I wouldn't say Your my enemy, more like the religion is my enemy.Perhaps people that follow it blindly and let logic and reason fall on the wayside too.

 

[Ronjay]

It seems the only extremists in this thread are the people that are calling all Muslims extremist.

 

[joy_Energiser]

I have a question, do Sunni Muslim support or believe in Shariah Law ?

 

[Mineer]

I have a question, do Sunni Muslim support or believe in Shariah Law ?

Yes... and I know where you are headed with this one, look up posts by wayfarer he explains the application of sharia laws very well

 

[joy_Energiser]

Yes... and I know where you are headed with this one, look up posts by wayfarer he explains the application of sharia laws very well

Any chance you could just give me a link to it please I search but can't find it specifically.

 

[Fazda]

Joy_Energiser you are obviously very bored today, this thread was done and dusted ages ago, and trying to rake up mud on those of us who disagree with your tiny little mind is going to get you nowhere. Go and troll on some other forum.

You take my quotes totally out of context and think you can take a dig at me. Get a life and have a nice day!