MWEB peering changes begin - fallout imminent

This is honestly the first time I am happy to see latency on speedtest... wonder how many people are going to call the call center cause their line is bad? I assume the catered for this and anyhow how many SGS gamers are on MWEB exclusively anyhow.
 
Of course at the moment we have pro's and cons

Cons:
1) Local gaming between networks unbalanced
2) Things like VPN's and company links between networks slowed

Pros:
1) Start the ball rolling for free connectivity which has been needed for a long time
2) Have more cash to spend in better places.

Why should a ISP have to pay another to connect to them if they are both connected to say JINX or CINX ? Its pure greed and hurts the smaller ISP's much more than the larger. It's time to put a stop with it and MWeb is big enough to make a difference.

GO MWEB

Edit: And do go saying websites will be crippled, unless the client uses use local only it'll be fine, the difference when browsing is not even noticeable.
 
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portcullis said:
I'm having some serious trouble understanding why people are complaining about a link that's gone down for a couple of hours... If you can't get to your servers right now. Go do something else. There's a big world away from the keyboard. Nothing is so important that it can't wait a couple of hours.
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Well said! Why do people wind and bitch? Because they can!!!
 
Jinx?

Hi

Maybe I am missing something, but isnt the purpse of Jinx just that.....a place for ISP's to locally exchange IP traffic?

Am I to assume that a big ISP like MTN has been charging Mweb to accept their traffic via Jinx?

Another round of craziness.

If anyone can explain Jinx/Cinx nicely , that would be great :)
cheers
 
JINX = Expensive.

The whole point that is being punted here here is that local peering is too damn expensive, it's cheaper to route traffic to other ISP's internationally than to use local peering like JINX.
 
Just realised there is another reason to go CellC over Voda/MTN. Looks like CellC is on the free and open side of this cold war.

So as it currently stands.

Free and open: MWEB, IS, Cybersmart, CellC, SANREN, Neology
Closed: Telkom, Vodacom, MTN, WebAfrica

Hmm closed side has no names associated with being revolutionary thinkers so I think I know who I support.

Well Done MWEB and Rudi, nice to see a CEO with a backbone for once.
 
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Think of JINX/CINX as a meeting place for each network, up till now the larger ISP's were charging(and still probably are) the smaller ISP's for the luxury of getting information from their network even though they are getting paid to host those very sites. Basically they are charging twice to host the site.

Pre-SEACOM international bandwidth was expensive so it was still cheaper for a small ISP to bend over and pay for it.

Now MWEB has purchased significant capacity on SEACOM and has moved some of the largest sites in the country to their network(Media 24,etc). Now instead of becoming the next Telkom and screwing the little guys they decided to take a different direction and say that if you want to peer with them it must be free.

If you are looking for an analogy think of peering charges as interconnect charges on telephones and JINX/CINX like a big network hub for the ISP's.
 
Go MWEB!

Come on MyBB, why host with someone, that is against local peering?
 
Is WebAfrica deciding not to peer, are they insane??? Your hosting isn't going to feel "premium" if guys are getting ridiculous latency.
 
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O ... almost forgot!

Whos' da man ..... : Rudi and Co.
Say it again ... who's da man .... : Rudi and Co.
 
Shayd said:
Is WebAfrica deciding not to peer, are they insane??? Your hosting isn't going to feel "premium" if guys are getting ridiculous latency.
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I wonder what happened to this:

Web Africa embraces open peering in South Africa. We are peering and setting up peering agreements to pioneer a faster local internet with reduced ping times and latency. Through the connection of multiple providers with one another, we will be able to reduce subscription costs and further achieve our vision of enhancing the online experience in South Africa.
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http://blog.webafrica.co.za/2010/05/think-locally-impact-globally/

Seems to have gone the way of Recharge.
 
TOR said:
Go MWEB!

Come on MyBB, why host with someone, that is against local peering?
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From the email Hetzner send their customers:

2. Why doesn't Hetzner peer directly with MWeb?
Hetzner would be open to peering with as many ISPs as possible. However, as things stand at the moment we are completely reliant on MTN Business' peering policy.

So the problem is not with Hetzner. I'm sure they are putting pressure on MTNB to peer with Mweb.
 
Don't mean to cross-post, there seem to be a ton of threads on this whole Mweb peering debacle. But I thought this might contain some useful information in this thread.
(from: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-The-peering-war-begins?p=4949255#post4949255)



Networks on the Internet are called Autonomous Systems.
Each Network is assigned an Autonomous System Number by a central registry (AfriNIC/Arin/RIPE).

Very very simplistic definition of Peering and Transit...

Lets assume there are 3 networks:
AS1
AS2
AS3

Lets say that AS1 peers with AS2
AS1 -- link -- AS2

And AS3 peers with AS2
AS3 -- link -- AS2

But AS3 and AS1 do not peer.

AS2 will have policies in place which prevents traffic from AS1 getting to AS3 (and the other way around), because its not in their interest to carry that traffic on behalf of AS1 and AS3 (it costs AS2 money to carry that traffic on their own infrastructure).
Unless AS3 starts paying AS2 to carry their traffic to AS1, then it becomes a Transit service.

To summarise:
Peering = Traffic between two AS numbers, where these AS' peer directly with each other
Transit = Traffic between two AS numbers, where these AS' do not peer directly and they require one or more intermediate AS to carry the traffic.
 
Mweb to Vodacom business is dog slow now of course... even connecting to our servers in vodacom business from a vodacom business ADSL account is dog slow (because of additional bandwidth I guess)

I just sent this to the Vodacom business csoc


We have had numerous reports from clients where they cannot connect to our servers from multiple networks. Mweb mostly effected.


Please investigate


(or connect to Mweb for free please)
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look how utterly pathetic this is
Tracing route to www.myadsl.co.za [41.203.21.137]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 9 ms 15 ms 13 ms 41-132-28-1.dsl.mweb.co.za [41.132.28.1]
3 10 ms 10 ms 11 ms tengig-0-0-0-101.vic-ipc-1.mweb.co.za [196.22.16
9.134]
4 10 ms 10 ms 11 ms vl-92.vic-hscore-2.mweb.co.za [196.22.189.3]
5 13 ms 11 ms 11 ms tengig-0-0-0-0-12.vic-up-1.mweb.co.za [196.22.16
9.241]
6 18 ms 19 ms 17 ms tengig-0-2-0-0.mid-1.mweb.co.za [196.22.169.219]

7 257 ms 251 ms 251 ms pos-0-0-0-0.lon-1.mweb.co.za [196.22.163.230]
8 269 ms 267 ms 337 ms 79.141.38.37.available.above.net [79.141.38.37]

9 267 ms 267 ms 279 ms so-0-0-0.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net [64.125.27.226]

10 249 ms 253 ms 255 ms xe-1-1-0.mpr2.lhr3.uk.above.net [64.125.27.158]

11 * * * Request timed out.
12 254 ms 253 ms 254 ms ge11-0-0.gw2.jnb6.za.mtnbusiness.net [196.30.1.2
2]
13 254 ms 254 ms 403 ms vlan9.hr3.jnb6.za.mtnbusiness.net [196.30.156.13
6]
14 255 ms 255 ms 258 ms 196.30.213.108
15 255 ms 254 ms 253 ms firewall1.jnb2.host-h.net [196.7.216.173]
16 265 ms 254 ms 254 ms mybroadband.co.za [41.203.21.137]

im not sure why the end users are so happy about mwebs bull**** policy... peer for free or else no peering
now the ppl who get screwed over are the end users who get no form of savings of compensation for the crappy service - i means its noticably bad just browsing myadsl.co.za thx to the change
and in the end if they do decide to peer, its still gonna just be cheaper for mweb, who are unlikely to pass the savings on to the end user
 
Riot2 said:
im not sure why the end users are so happy about mwebs bull**** policy... peer for free or else no peering
now the ppl who get screwed over are the end users who get no form of savings of compensation for the crappy service - i means its noticably bad just browsing myadsl.co.za thx to the change
and in the end if they do decide to peer, its still gonna just be cheaper for mweb, who are unlikely to pass the savings on to the end user
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Cry some more, we feed on your tears. Or you could stop complaining and read what 99% of the others have already stated in this thread and the other threads. This change has been needed for a very long time.
 
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