MWEB Uncapped ADSL Feedback - Part 2

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HapticSimian said:
I'm sure your link is meant to do more than just direct me to the Afrihost uncapped discussion as things stood in November last year. Care to try again?
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How about 5 days ago and in a news article.

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/74697-uncapped-adsl-turbo-charge-from-afrihost.html

“Our standard uncapped ADSL is a semi-shaped product, which means the network automatically gives highest priority to real time services,” Afrihost explained.

This means that some large file downloads are often shaped during peak periods. Afrihost’s Turbo Charge can change that.
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So with Afrihost I have to buy turbo charge just so my HTTP downloads can run at normal speeds.
 
nfbs said:
How about 5 days ago and in a news article.

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/74697-uncapped-adsl-turbo-charge-from-afrihost.html

So with Afrihost I have to buy turbo charge just so my HTTP downloads can run at normal speeds.
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Still not cutting it I'm afraid. You said: 'Afrihost does this and calls all HTTP downloads "naughty".' Any statement of Afrihost's which makes that an accurate paraphrase will suffice. Or do you just not understand the concept of load-based shaping?
 
Gerhardva said:
And your point is?
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I am just trying to put things in perspective as some other ISPs also shape HTTP downloads not just torrents. The type of file you would typically torrent you can wait for overnight so to me personally I don't have an issue with it.
 
@HapticSimian

Love your sig. Saw it once and am happy to have seen it again. ;) 1000 internets to you!
 
nfbs said:
I am just trying to put things in perspective as some other ISPs also shape HTTP downloads not just torrents. The type of file you would typically torrent you can wait for overnight so to me personally I don't have an issue with it.
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That is what I do, but my point is shaping shouldnt have an effect after core business hours. One would expect your downloads to run full steam at 10pm, not 10 % of line capacity.
 
HapticSimian said:
Still not cutting it I'm afraid. You said: 'Afrihost does this and calls all HTTP downloads "naughty".' Any statement of Afrihost's which makes that an accurate paraphrase will suffice.
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I already posted a link to a statement by Afriman using that word but you didn't like it since you said it was in Nov last year.

I then posted a link to an article 5 days ago of them admitting shaping large downloads to such a point that they release a Turbo Charge product. It's like you want me to give you an audio recording of them calling me naughty naughty yesterday. I am not on trial here. Jeez.

Or do you just not understand the concept of load-based shaping?
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I do understand the general statment but that is not what I experience when my account is set as "managed" by Afrihost or why Afrihosts needs to introduce a Turbo Charge product to download max speed.
From that article comments by Afriman
Turbocharge is a product that let's you decide when you get shaped, by giving 5 free unshaped hours a month, and the ability to buy more at any time. The best part about it is that we don't tell you when you are "allowed" to be unshaped. You can Turbocharge at any time - day or night :)
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Why would turbo charge be necessary at night if they apply load-based shaping.

This gets clarified by Afriman
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-demand-with-Turbo-Charge-from-Afrihost/page4
Afriman said:
With shaping though analyse packet signatures apply shaping based on the signature. Using dedicated "data pools" would make it more difficult to dynamically give back more data as demand decreases. So we shape the users on the individual level, based on calculations of which users are using the most bandwidth in terms of consumption patterns (not necessarily on a threshold total). Our system then calculates the least amount of users who will be shaped so that the maximum bandwidth can still be consumed without affecting latencies and overall speeds.
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This does not sound like load based shaping as Afriman admits they do it on an individual basis which is not load based shaping as I understand it.

Clearly you work with Afrihost or are affiliated with them in some way. You are being anal instead of looking at the indefensible introduction of Turbocharge on an uncapped product.

Please keep discussion on this thread on topic as you are clearly being a troll. If you want to continue create a separate thread rather.
 
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nfbs said:
I already posted a link to a statement by Afriman using that word but you didn't like it since you said it was in Nov last year.
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Your link took me to the top of a page somewhere in the discussion; it's broken. Searching that page for the word brought me to the post I suppose you intended linking to - this one? I still don't see any mention of all HTTP downloads being regarded as naughty.

nfbs said:
I then posted a link to an article 5 days ago of them admitting shaping large downloads to such a point that they release a Turbo Charge product. It's like you want me to give you an audio recording of them calling me naughty naughty yesterday. I am not on trial here. Jeez.
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No, you posted a link to an article announcing an add-on to shaped uncapped products, allowing people an unshaped experience for a limited time without having an unshaped account. You made the statement, back it the **** up.

nfbs said:
I do understand the general statment but that is not what I experience when my account is set as "managed" by Afrihost or why Afrihosts needs to introduce a Turbo Charge product to download max speed.
From that article comments by Afriman
Why would turbo charge be necessary at night if they apply load-based shaping.
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That statement does not imply that the necessity would be the norm. Consider a scenario where there has been a cable break and shaping is extended to after-hours times in order to maintain network usability.

nfbs said:
This gets clarified by Afriman
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-demand-with-Turbo-Charge-from-Afrihost/page4
This does not sound like load based shaping as Afriman admits they do it on an individual basis which is not load based shaping as I understand it.
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That just means you don't understand load-based shaping, as in shaping applied as necessitated by network load at any given time. When shaping is necessary it is applied on an individual level, as informed by historical usage patterns. How else would you propose shaping should be managed?

nfbs said:
Clearly you work with Afrihost or are affiliated with them in some way. You are being anal instead of looking at the indefensible introduction of Turbocharge on an uncapped product.
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My affiliation stretches as far as a monthly debit order to them; why would only affiliates of a company call you on bull****? I don't see it as indefensible, I see it as innovative. Poorly priced, and likely to be underutilised, but something fresh and new nonetheless.

nfbs said:
Please keep discussion on this thread on topic as you are clearly being a troll. If you want to continue create a separate thread rather.
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I reacted to a statement you made. If you regard that as being off topic, blame yourself.
 
international keeps cutting out

re: the youtubes. its cause of the local caching server. popular ones cache. not so popular ones come from over da sea
 
international is dropping - srsly? 100% packetloss. No links to Google or anything else...
 
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AcidRaZor said:
international keeps cutting out

re: the youtubes. its cause of the local caching server. popular ones cache. not so popular ones come from over da sea
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facebook... kickstarter... divinity original sin... sigh... back to AH ?
 
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