N2 protesters throw petrol bombs at cops

abzo said:
We take Cape Town from the corrupt! The rich! The oppressors of generations who have kept us down with myths of opportunity, and we give it back to you... the people. Cape Town is yours. None shall interfere. Do as you please. Start by storming the N2, and freeing the oppressed! Step forward those who would serve. For an army will be raised. The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure. Courts will be convened. Spoils will be enjoyed. Blood will be shed. The police will survive, as they learn to serve true justice. This great city... it will endure. Cape Town will survive!
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Bane is that you?
 
burn said:
I am shocked at how quickly and easily people in this thread start promoting the killing of others. Is life really that cheap to you?
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They don't fear death... They welcome it. Their punishment must be more severe.
 
burn said:
I am shocked at how quickly and easily people in this thread start promoting the killing of others. Is life really that cheap to you?
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If I had a loaded gun in my hand and someone threw a petrol bomb at me with the intention of burning me or filling me, I would defend myself.
That is all that people in this thread are advocating.
Nobody is promoting the killing of others and you are acting like a troll to suggest that is what they are doing.
You are trying to incite tension in this thread, just like those protestors are trying to incite violence, you are no better than them.

The Police are showing tremendous restraint in dealing with this, and I really would not blame them at all for defending themselves.
BUT, as has been pointed out several times, an escalation is exactly what ANCYL wants.
They must under no certain terms give it to them.
Arrest and trial is the only way to deal with this.
(and it would be great if in the trial these perpetrators could drop the names of the people who are giving the orders from the top, because I think we can all imagine how far up the ANC festering poop chute these order go)!
 
Isn't it really cold there at night now? I suspect a cold water jet could be more lethal than a wall of bullets....
 
I'm moving to Cape town, but i've been told i'm worrying too much, and that stuff like this is no big deal.

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joelus said:
Well, the ANCYL wouldn't be able to organise a protest and incite violence if there weren't real issues to be dealt with.
There is a serious lack of service delivery in some parts of the cape and that is why the ANCYL is able to do what they do.
Try going to a middle class suburb to incite people to violence over lack of service delivery - obviously it won't work because the middle class actually have service delivery.
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If you pay for a service, you should get what you pay for, right? So why find it strange that people that pay for that service is getting it?
 
DJ... said:
I don't think anybody has an issue with them legitimately protesting, as is their constitutionally protected right. But illegal protests organised solely to disrupt the province, incite violence, and that end in bombs being thrown - well that's not protesting at all, wouldn't you agree? That's just the ANCYL making good on their promises. Which is, quite frankly, deplorable and certain YL kiddies need a good spanking...
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Yes, I do agree with you...

I was just pointing out that the YL kiddies are only able to succeed in inciting violence because the lack of service delivery is real and the living conditions of people there are dire. It creates an environment which is ripe for violence by youngsters who have nothing to lose. Within such an environment it is almost a trivial thing to successfully incite violence - just provide the means and encouragement and there you go. If living conditions were better for people the kiddies would have a much harder time getting people to do their dirty politics for them!
 
Nod said:
If you pay for a service, you should get what you pay for, right? So why find it strange that people that pay for that service is getting it?
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Yes. If you're fortunate enough to have a service provided to pay for. You can't pay for electricity if there is no electricity available. You cannot pay for water if nobody has connected you up to water supplies. Just like you could complain we are not getting world class internet service - the problem is not that you are not willing to pay for it, you probably are - the problem is that such a service is not available to you.
 
joelus said:
Well, the ANCYL wouldn't be able to organise a protest and incite violence if there weren't real issues to be dealt with.
There is a serious lack of service delivery in some parts of the cape and that is why the ANCYL is able to do what they do.
Try going to a middle class suburb to incite people to violence over lack of service delivery - obviously it won't work because the middle class actually have service delivery.

I do NOT condone violence or the incitement of violence by anyone, neither do I blame apartheid, I'm just pointing out that the environment is one that supports protest and makes the incitement of violence ridiculously easy. Improve service delivery to an extent where the ANCYL's cries fall on deaf ears - that is the only solution. And while we can blame the ANCYL for inciting violence (and hopefully punish those responsible) we cannot blame them for lack of service delivery - that blame falls squarely at the door of the DA.
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This is purely political and you know it! In wehich other province have they threaten to make the province ungovernable? Why are they not doing this in Gauteng where there is this huge municiple billing crises? Or in limpopo because of the textbook saga? Please, I beg of you to explain this to me!!
 
joelus said:
If living conditions were better for people the kiddies would have a much harder time getting people to do their dirty politics for them!
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The same could be said for absolutely every single province that the ANC is responsible for. Whereas CPT has seen some actual improvements since the DA took over and continue to commit to further improvements. What has become clear is that the ANCYL are simply out to destroy the city which is why this sort of thing happens (and the toilet debacle).

I find this kind of reasoning to be ridiculous though. Show me a single country in the world where service delivery is perfect. We have processes with which to address this as opposed to violent, illegal protests...
 
The_Mowgs said:
This is purely political and you know it! In wehich other province have they threaten to make the province ungovernable? Why are they not doing this in Gauteng where there is this huge municiple billing crises? Or in limpopo because of the textbook saga? Please, I beg of you to explain this to me!!
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Technically, the youth league will explain that in those provinces they can walk up to the governing party and discuss how the issues can be addressed. The CT YL were on the radio last week saying how they're not able to get a sit down with the DA, only threats of legal action.
 
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