N2 protesters throw petrol bombs at cops

The_Mowgs said:
This is purely political and you know it! In wehich other province have they threaten to make the province ungovernable? Why are they not doing this in Gauteng where there is this huge municiple billing crises? Or in limpopo because of the textbook saga? Please, I beg of you to explain this to me!!
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I'm not denying it's political. In fact I specifically said the YL is getting people to do their dirty politics for them! sigh.
I'm just pointing out (again) that the reason the ANCYL is succeeding is because the lack of service delivery is real and the living conditions of people there are dire. That's all. If the DA wants to stop this kind of thing happening they need to urgently improve the living conditions of people and provide proper service delivery. That is the only permanent solution.

DJ... said:
The same could be said for absolutely every single province that the ANC is responsible for. Whereas CPT has seen some actual improvements since the DA took over and continue to commit to further improvements. What has become clear is that the ANCYL are simply out to destroy the city which is why this sort of thing happens (and the toilet debacle).

I find this kind of reasoning to be ridiculous though. Show me a single country in the world where service delivery is perfect. We have processes with which to address this as opposed to violent, illegal protests...
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I'm not arguing with you there, I agree with you.
There is a big difference between service delivery being perfect and being non-existent though!
Again, if the DA wants to stop this kind of thing happening they need to urgently improve the living conditions of people and provide proper service delivery. That is the only permanent solution.
 
joelus said:
Again, if the DA wants to stop this kind of thing happening they need to urgently improve the living conditions of people and provide proper service delivery. That is the only permanent solution.
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And if we want world peace we should all just get along as well. I understand you desperately wanting to post this about them, but at the end of the day it is a nothing-comment.

At the end of the day, the problem is not that the DA are refusing to do anything. They're being blocked left, right and centre and having their work torn apart for political gain by the ANC at every step. The issue is not the DA - it is the ANC once again...
 
joelus said:
I'm just pointing out (again) that the reason the ANCYL is succeeding is because the lack of service delivery is real and the living conditions of people there are dire.
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That's kinda like saying that Al Qaeda's terrorist attacks are understandable because some of those people blame America for their strife...
 
Protester Bongani Mama said:

“We had a meeting last night, and decided that if [premier Helen] Zille and [mayor Patricia] De Lille did not want to come to us we would make our point by protesting...”.

Residents dumped a bucket of faeces in front of police, who fired stun grenades at the crowd.
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Gross.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/chaos-as-protest-shuts-n2-1.1360038#.UCTziZ3ib-0

Quite odd that the ANCYL is still denying responsibility, though I think they have planted the seed in the mind of those who do not have service delivery hence why this protest is taking place.
 
DJ... said:
That's kinda like saying that Al Qaeda's terrorist attacks are understandable because some of those people blame America for their strife...
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Not really the same at all... I'm not saying the ANCYL is succeeding because the people blame the DA for their strife, I'm saying they are succeeding because the lack of service delivery is real and the living conditions of people there are dire.

Nothing to do with blaming the DA. It's irrelevant who is in charge - within such an environment it is almost a trivial thing to successfully incite violence - just provide the means and encouragement and there you go, it doesn't matter who is in charge. The incitement to violence is an attack on the DA by the ANCYL (we assume), but the people actually taking part in the violence don't care either way who is in charge, they have nothing to lose - there have been violent protests in ANC run areas too.
 
Bla bla. Sorry joelus, as explained (which you ignored and simply latched on to the analogy), it is a nothing-comment. The same could be said about every single place on the planet. None of them are perfect and someone/group will always be unhappy about something.

I must also point out that using a thread about deplorable ANCYL actions and violence from protest, to have a snide dig at the DA is just as bad as the Oink and TIA crowd...
 
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The_Mowgs said:
This is purely political and you know it! In wehich other province have they threaten to make the province ungovernable? Why are they not doing this in Gauteng where there is this huge municiple billing crises? Or in limpopo because of the textbook saga? Please, I beg of you to explain this to me!!
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Because the anc is power hungry, and if they can't rule it they'd rather it doesn't exist.
 
http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=11119

The KZN Education Department’s announcement that hundreds of small, non-viable schools would be closed in the province has been met with deafening silence by the ANC and alliance partners.

This is despite a barrage of threats and provocation from the ANC and COSATU in the Western Cape about the Education Department’s proposal to rationalize non-viable schools in the same way.

The ANC’s silence is precisely because they know that better education opportunities need to be found for learners at non-viable schools with multi-grade classes and limited resources. But they cannot resist the opportunity to mindlessly politicize decisions that are made to improve the learning circumstances of learners.

We support the KZN Education Department’s attempts to secure better opportunities for these learners in the same way we support the Western Cape Education Department. Tom Stokes, the DA’s Education spokesperson in KZN, has submitted parliamentary questions to MEC Senzo Mchunu to ascertain how many schools have been closed since 2009 in KZN – an answer we anticipate soon.

The hypocrisy of the ANC’s vastly different reaction to these two decisions brings into question why they’ve been so vocal in the Western Cape alone.

Marius Fransman and Tony Ehrenreich have some explaining to do.
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Come on Marius and Tony Two-face - speak up ?
 
DJ... said:
Bla bla. Sorry joelus, as explained (which you ignored and simply latched on to the analogy), it is a nothing-comment. The same could be said about every single place on the planet. None of them are perfect and someone/group will always be unhappy about something.

I must also point out that using a thread about deplorable ANCYL actions and violence from protest, to have a snide dig at the DA is just as bad as the Oink and TIA crowd...
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Bla bla DJ... as explained (which you ignored) this has nothing to do with me blaming the DA. Where did I have a snide dig at the DA? Show me, please? Bla bla indeed, maybe you should read what I write before making unfounded accusations against me :rolleyes: And it's not a nothing comment - it's the heart of the issue - if there was service delivery there would be no reason to protest, incitement or not. But ok, you stick to your delusion that the DA can do no wrong ever and everything is always the fault of the ANC
 
Do you think the DA are actively ignoring the service delivery issue?

Everybody including you know this is nothing to with service delivery and just an ANCYL political swing at the DA and the "white madam". Funny how they are not after the Mayor or other managers of colour but go straight for the whitey.

Sure, the DA could avoid this by building everyone a house, paying for schooling, water, food, university etc (would be nice) but is there really enough funding for all of this? Lets forget the ANC waste billions for a second and think of SA as a whole. There is not enough money to give 30 million people everything for free, full stop. The sooner these people wake up and realise they should not have 24 kids (as their leader comrade Zuma) without a roof over their head the better. Education and time is the only way out of this.
 
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Also, don't forget the largenumber of people coming into the WC looking for work / better opportunities. Adds a massive burden.
 
Sure, the DA could avoid this buy building everyone a house
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Even if they wanted to, housing is a national government responsibility.


Also, don't forget the largenumber of people coming into the WC looking for work / better opportunities.
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Yup, arrive, find a vacant piece of land and demand a house, plumbing, electricity - free of course.
 
MickeyD said:
Why are Prez Zuma and the Housing Settlements minister (Tokyo Sexwale?) so quiet on the housing issue?
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excuse my ignorance, are the DA doing enough to direct attention towards where the housing problem actually resides - national government? More in terms of letting the masses know that their hands are tied/limited.
 
air said:
excuse my ignorance, are the DA doing enough to direct attention towards where the housing problem actually resides - national government? More in terms of letting the masses know that their hands are tied/limited.
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Yes, but it is ignored.
 
Brawler said:
Do you think the DA are actively ignoring the service delivery issue?

Everybody including you know this is nothing to with service delivery and just an ANCYL political swing at the DA and the "white madam". Funny how they are not after the Mayor or other managers of colour but go straight for the whitey.

Sure, the DA could avoid this by building everyone a house, paying for schooling, water, food, university etc (would be nice) but is there really enough funding for all of this? Lets forget the ANC waste billions for a second and think of SA as a whole. There is not enough money to give 30 million people everything for free, full stop. The sooner these people wake up and realise they should not have 24 kids (as their leader comrade Zuma) without a roof over their head the better. Education and time is the only way out of this.
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Just to clarify: Service delivery isn't about getting free houses, water, food etc.

Service delivery is about delivering services - nothing about it says it must be free.
You pay for your water and electricity - and water and electricity are delivered to you.
This is service delivery.
Nothing to do with free anything.

When people protest about lack of service delivery they are protesting about the lack of service delivery - not the lack of free stuff. If you live in an area where there is no water system or electrical system you lack service delivery. Even though you may be willing to pay for it, you can't because it doesn't exist.

When you demand high speed broadband like they have in Korea are you demanding free high speed broadband?
No, most of us are willing to pay for this service - if it existed here, which it doesn't.

Lack of service delivery means services like water and electricity are not being made available, it has nothing to do with whether it is free or paid for.

I don't think the DA are actively ignoring the service delivery issue, no.
Do you think the DA are beyond reproach or criticism?
When people in Cape Town lack access to basic services like water, electricity and sewage disposal, must we just turn a blind eye because to criticise the DA is just not done?
 
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