Naked ADSL preferred by many users

Very convenient timing with fibre rollouts..... :whistle:
 
How long have Telkom been treating all voice calls as VoIP? 10 years or so?

So why weren't those calculations performed then?

The DSL rental will increase but the POTS rental will fall away.

Then we have the accelerated FTTH roll out, where a POTS line is no longer required as the VoIP call gets carried by the SoftSwitch, effectively making the exchange switching equipment redundant.

Now we have to ask whether calls in those exchanges with MSANs and ISAMs are also being routed via the SoftSwitch or the old switch?
 
Not sure what trials they would need to do, as this is how most the people use the service already. I certainly dont use the landline for voice calls. Why would people want to when most of us have loads of free minutes.

Seems like Telkom are just using stalling tactics as usual.

By the time they realise this is what people want, most people would have abandoned the copper lines for fibre services.
 
ADSL has forced voice line rental. Why does fibre not have forced line rental as surely you can provide voice over it as well with a VOIP phone.
 
Likely they incorp costs or make it only available to lines in excess of 4 or 10Mbps as then the loss might not be there.
 
krycor said:
Likely they incorp costs or make it only available to lines in excess of 4 or 10Mbps as then the loss might not be there.
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It will have to be an all or nothing approach (referring to DSL line speed).

The only way they can justify costs is by costing the equipment (and resources to maintain it) and that is technology driven.

In the past Telkom claimed POTS rental from the jack at the sub's premises to the splitter at the exchange. This splitter would divert voice calls to the switch (E10 or EWSD) and the data to the DSLAM or IMAX. The POTS rental ended at the switch (E10/EWSD).

The new equipment MSAN, ISAM and for Fibre, does not require the voice to be split to a switch. By using combo cards they can handle voice and data on the same module and route it to a SoftSwitch (VoIP).

This also explains why Telkom have been trying to move entire exchange areas (suburbs) onto MSANs and/or ISAMs. They can recover all the old equipment and save on environmental costs (power, aircon, etc) and space.

What they need to do is re-cost the DSL product taking into account the removal of the switch and older legacy equipment. And I am pretty sure that they have done PLENTY of modelling around this already!!!
 
This diagram is correct for the way Telkom configures it's voice where MSANs and ISAMs are in place... for older DSLAMs the splitter to the voice switch is before the DSLAM/IMAX.

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MickeyD said:
It will have to be an all or nothing approach (referring to DSL line speed).

The only way they can justify costs is by costing the equipment (and resources to maintain it) and that is technology driven.

In the past Telkom claimed POTS rental from the jack at the sub's premises to the splitter at the exchange. This splitter would divert voice calls to the switch (E10 or EWSD) and the data to the DSLAM or IMAX. The POTS rental ended at the switch (E10/EWSD).

The new equipment MSAN, ISAM and for Fibre, does not require the voice to be split to a switch. By using combo cards they can handle voice and data on the same module and route it to a SoftSwitch (VoIP).

This also explains why Telkom have been trying to move entire exchange areas (suburbs) onto MSANs and/or ISAMs. They can recover all the old equipment and save on environmental costs (power, aircon, etc) and space.

What they need to do is re-cost the DSL product taking into account the removal of the switch and older legacy equipment. And I am pretty sure that they have done PLENTY of modelling around this already!!!
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The problem is that line cancellations are reducing revenue but not costs, therefore the recovery amount required per line increases (analogous to the problem Eskom is experiencing, when reduced power demand pushes up per unit costs)
 
Chris.Geerdts said:
The problem is that line cancellations are reducing revenue but not costs, therefore the recovery amount required per line increases (analogous to the problem Eskom is experiencing, when reduced power demand pushes up per unit costs)
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And some of that will be offset by upping the DSL rental costs.
 
How much longer do we have to wait until this transpire? I think we need to push harder... we cant afford another year to pass without a go live date for naked adsl. Telkom is well aware of the amount of analog users they will lose and therefore will drag this as long as possible, I mean it free revenue lol
 
W.Salie said:
How much longer do we have to wait until this transpire? I think we need to push harder... we cant afford another year to pass without a go live date for naked adsl. Telkom is well aware of the amount of analog users they will lose and therefore will drag this as long as possible, I mean it free revenue lol
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Strangely enough Telkom were the ones talking about naked DSL at the Facility Leasing hearings in 2014 and none of the ISPs were willing to engage. Very strange...
 
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