Nanny ill - Payment?

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Dolby said:
It's high blood pressure.

I'm not sure if that is contiguous or not?

And it was only when we pushed yesterday 'please tell us if you're coming' that we got the answer. From Friday up until we pushed , the texts were 'I feel weak. Going to the clinic.'
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If it's high blood pressure wtf!! Take your meds and do your job.
 
Dolby said:
If I don't attend work either Monday or Friday, I'm asked for a medical certificate. If I provide, great - if I don't, then it's unpaid. That's pretty much most companies.

I don't think my boss will say 'argh it's day or two'
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Consider cost of medical certificate for her vs you.

You get it "free" via medical aid. Or if you pay its x % of your daily earnings.

In her case it probably costs more than her daily earnings.
 
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Saba'a said:
Consider cost of medical certificate for her vs you.

You get it "free" via medical aid. Or if you pay its x % of your daily earnings.

In her case it probably costs more than her daily earnings.
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You don't pay at clinics, do you think the poor go to GPS?
 
Lupus said:
You don't pay at clinics, do you think the poor go to GPS?
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Any idea how crowded these clinics are AND if she is a foreigner how they get treated.

Imagine staying from work ill but then waiting in a line whole day while you ill? And travelling there.


Once again - any idea how it would cost to travel to the clinic as % of daily wage?
 
Dolby said:
That's what I'm asking - what BCEA says with regards to a Tuesday to Friday employee. I'm pretty sure BCEA requires medical certificate on Friday /Monday.

In other words I'm curious on the legal side
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Nope and this is where every employer is incorrect in their contracts.

It can also be argued that you are actually sick twice if you are sick on a Friday and then the following Monday if you don't work weekends. You aren't actually sick for three continuous workdays as the weekend ended the workweek, but you could also argue that being sick on a Friday and Monday is four continuous calendar days.

Then the law says hang on, if you have been absent more than twice in an eight week period, you don't have to pay if they don't produce a doctor certificate. So if an employee argues that being sick on a Friday & Monday was two separate days you nail them on this the third time they are sick in the next 8 weeks.

The BCEA protects employers as the reasoning is that if someone is going to abuse being sick for a long weekend once, they will do it again in the eight week period multiple times leading to disciplinary action.

This is how we fired a staff member and CCMA laughed at her. Took her only three weeks of last/first-day illness for us to fire her.
 
Saba'a said:
Consider cost of medical certificate for her vs you.

You get it "free" via medical aid. Or if you pay its x % of your daily earnings.

In her case it probably costs more than her daily earnings.
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Privilege much: I'm a high-income earner and my medical aid does not cover my doctor visits, I pay cash.

State charges based on your income which would make her H1 or H2 depending on how colonial Dolby wages are ;)
 
Other Pineapple Smurf said:
Privilege much: I'm a high-income earner and my medical aid does not cover my doctor visits, I pay cash.

State charges based on your income which would make her H1 or H2 depending on how colonial Dolby wages are ;)
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Well what's high income in SA?
 
Dolby said:
It's high blood pressure.

I'm not sure if that is contiguous or not?

And it was only when we pushed yesterday 'please tell us if you're coming' that we got the answer. From Friday up until we pushed , the texts were 'I feel weak. Going to the clinic.'
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When we had a childminder and she also had high blood pressure problems we sent her to our GP. We paid the bill and her medication. Her state GP was trying to kill her through negligence and our house doctor freaked out about her prescription that he even phoned the state GP to kak him out.

It's not expensive to control but left untreated placed her and our children at risk. What if she passes out while the kids are bathing?

The human side was to offer her help first and then only be a boss second.

This is how we fired a staff member in the wife's business, she said no to our "human" offers of help so we said screw that, now we will throw the book at you.
 
Other Pineapple Smurf said:
When we had a childminder and she also had high blood pressure problems we sent her to our GP. We paid the bill and her medication.
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So, not only must I hire someone and give them unlimited annual leave/ unlimited sick leave, not dare question them - but I should pay their medical bills too?

Maybe you've all had privileged lives - but in most jobs, there is finite leave. There are rules to adhere to. A boss can question you. And you are held accountable for certain actions.

As for the nanny :

* She's been with me for just under 6 months
* She's gets R6,000 for 4 days a week work
* She gets food included
* She doesn't clean the house at all - so when babies are asleep, she has her own time to do what she wants for a few hours every day
* She gets to leave early / come in late when I work at home
* In hospital a few weeks back, she stayed in a private ward all day with breakfast/lunch of her choice
* With recent protests, we asked her to stay home for her own safety
* She's really left to her own devices each day and the kids are the main priority. She's got no one watching over her etc

All in all, it's a job most would kill for. It's probably the reason why I've had other people working for me for 10+ years?
 
As mentioned, the illness was never asked by me. She told us it was high blood pressure of her own free will.

She just wasn't 'feeling well' from for the last few days and couldn't make today, either. The clinic didn't book her off or tell her to rest either

Although I'm not going details, I did mention in my initial post about 'niggles' as well the last few weeks. These - in conjunction with this incident - mean I do need to question whether or not to deduct leave or not.
 
RedViking said:
R30 000 - Single Person Middle Class
R60 000 - Single Person Upper Middle Class
R90 000 - Single Person Upper Class
R120 000 - Single Person Millionaire
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Ah that's rather high.
 
Dolby said:
So, not only must I hire someone and give them unlimited annual leave/ unlimited sick leave, not dare question them - but I should pay their medical bills too?

Maybe you've all had privileged lives - but in most jobs, there is finite leave. There are rules to adhere to. A boss can question you. And you are held accountable for certain actions.

As for the nanny :

* She's been with me for just under 6 months
* She's gets R6,000 for 4 days a week work
* She gets food included
* She doesn't clean the house at all - so when babies are asleep, she has her own time to do what she wants for a few hours every day
* She gets to leave early / come in late when I work at home
* In hospital a few weeks back, she stayed in a private ward all day with breakfast/lunch of her choice
* With recent protests, we asked her to stay home for her own safety
* She's really left to her own devices each day and the kids are the main priority. She's got no one watching over her etc

All in all, it's a job most would kill for. It's probably the reason why I've had other people working for me for 10+ years?
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I do not question your intentions and I think others assuming you are mistreating her is jumping to conclusions.

All I think is there is more to the story than you wanting the doctors certificate.

But I have posted a link above that it is only required if it falls over a long weekend or public holiday.

You need to have her registered for UIF and CF-1E / Coida
 
Dolby said:
As mentioned, the illness was never asked by me. She told us it was high blood pressure of her own free will.

She just wasn't 'feeling well' from for the last few days and couldn't make today, either. The clinic didn't book her off or tell her to rest either

Although I'm not going details, I did mention in my initial post about 'niggles' as well the last few weeks. These - in conjunction with this incident - mean I do need to question whether or not to deduct leave or not.
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My opinion is if she is not back on Wednesday then she needs to present a doctors letter.
 
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