hj2k_x
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It is a map - if you put it in perspective, it would be a dot in the middle of gauteng, so they had to really zoom in to show you the coverage!
Never a truer word spoken
Much work to be done still Neotel.
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Never a truer word spoken
Much work to be done still Neotel.
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Fudzy
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It is a map - if you put it in perspective, it would be a dot in the middle of gauteng, so they had to really zoom in to show you the coverage!
Lol, if you zoom in alot closer you'll probably find the fine-print too. I'd like to know about the rest of the country, thank you very much.
mancombseepgood
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Nooit! A Man United supporter is agreeing with an Arsenal Supporter! Neotel, the end is near - sort out your product!Never a truer word spoken
Much work to be done still Neotel.
hj2k_x
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Nooit! A Man United supporter is agreeing with an Arsenal Supporter! Neotel, the end is near - sort out your product!
Indeed! Then we can get back to arguing about things
Ekhaatvensters
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There isn't anything live in the rest of the country.. that's the point. Those are the towers/areas for parts of JHB/Pretoria. The rest will come up on their site when they go live hopefully.
mancombseepgood
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Then IMO they shouldn't include the on-network motivation for switching - it's practically useless.
francoislr
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Which reminds me, I must get the new Battlestar Galactica....
Newsgroups?
That is always the other option...I like torrents, but newsgroups sometimes prove worth while. How quickly do you get cached content? At work I can get fresh content within an hour to 3 using torrents...That is, in the holidays when there aint any users.
All you speed freaks out there will laugh at me when I say that the 156K uncapped is a good package on offer. It will suit many downloaders out there. Sure, surfing will be castrated, and yotube a disaster, but you won't have to worry about being capped on international. I believe this package will suit the news server freaks on a budget. The 2gb/30gb IS packages wont touch this. I think the competition will have sit up and take notice.
Bolt on a $10/month (R76) from Astraweb news-server, and you could do 50GB per month (theoretically). Try doing that on a crappy IS news server at 5KB/sec.
I think Neotel have made a good start, and once all the shouting and screaming is over, people start to realise this.
Just imagine the Premium uncapped package with this...
But seriously, they need to spread, and fast. I was just very disapointed with the packages. I mean, something sub 150 would get them customers. And the idea is to get a good market share so the fire gets hotter under Telscum's butt. I am no market analyst, but I really hope people go for it, but the hope is little...
Uhm not to burst your bubble but isini't uncapped internet uncapped. I mean If you get stopped its not really uncapped. I want to use 500GB of internet a month. Its uncapped whats wrong with it? If they offer uncapped then surely their server should be able to handle it?
I dont think you need 16g a day, I don't care what u doing, it's just irresponsible and clogging up the network so the rest of us have to suffer with slower speeds.
*NOT IMPRESSED
smokey
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the majority...
HJ: The majority of South Africans live in complete poverty. Those with jobs - actual proper paying jobs - white collar workers - wont have a problem paying 300 bucks for a phone line with 2gb cap. if that isnt low end - i dont know what is. your comments have been so stupendously stupid, it is difficult to fathom.
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HJ: The majority of South Africans live in complete poverty. Those with jobs - actual proper paying jobs - white collar workers - wont have a problem paying 300 bucks for a phone line with 2gb cap. if that isnt low end - i dont know what is. your comments have been so stupendously stupid, it is difficult to fathom.
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spacemuis
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I think I'll call Neotel's opening salvo "strategic" - little bit of something for everybody, while (hopefully) leaving themselves lots of room for discounts later on if the incumbent (spit!) responds with price cuts.
Which, by the way, I don't expect any time soon from the Big Blue T. They're still sitting pretty with all the market share and deep, full pockets, and can afford to sit and wait and see how things go. It would not be a good move for them to respond quickly with cuts - it would show weakness.
I am a bit pessimistic about things moving much further any time soon, though. I mean if it's taken Neotel THIS long to offer what they have ... the USB-only handset, the miniscule coverage, the limited speeds.
Before you blast me on the speeds: I'm referring to their statement that the average user's experience will be between 300 and 700kbps but that it would be improved by "future upgrades". This begs the question: they're supposedly using the latest and greatest wireless tech - so when and where are these upgrades going to come from? And would it mean buying new equipment? Their gadget is not cheap. Nor is it user-friendly. There clearly isn't a lot of choice in the handset/CPE equipment range for their CDMA technology, otherwise they would surely have chosen something better, or offered more than one choice. They should know that the biggest early adopter market would be data and not voice oriented, therefore providing a USB only device seems a little obtuse.
If it's taken them so long to provide so little then I'm not holding my breath until seeing better coverage.
Personally I'll wait for a fixed-line offering - the last thing I need in my life is MORE electromagnetic radiation...
Bring on LLU and Neotel ADSL!!
Which, by the way, I don't expect any time soon from the Big Blue T. They're still sitting pretty with all the market share and deep, full pockets, and can afford to sit and wait and see how things go. It would not be a good move for them to respond quickly with cuts - it would show weakness.
I am a bit pessimistic about things moving much further any time soon, though. I mean if it's taken Neotel THIS long to offer what they have ... the USB-only handset, the miniscule coverage, the limited speeds.
Before you blast me on the speeds: I'm referring to their statement that the average user's experience will be between 300 and 700kbps but that it would be improved by "future upgrades". This begs the question: they're supposedly using the latest and greatest wireless tech - so when and where are these upgrades going to come from? And would it mean buying new equipment? Their gadget is not cheap. Nor is it user-friendly. There clearly isn't a lot of choice in the handset/CPE equipment range for their CDMA technology, otherwise they would surely have chosen something better, or offered more than one choice. They should know that the biggest early adopter market would be data and not voice oriented, therefore providing a USB only device seems a little obtuse.
If it's taken them so long to provide so little then I'm not holding my breath until seeing better coverage.
Personally I'll wait for a fixed-line offering - the last thing I need in my life is MORE electromagnetic radiation...
Bring on LLU and Neotel ADSL!!
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When one has switched to Neotel, then to Telkom and back to Neotel, will make you sign a 2nd contract which includes the hardware all over again?
martmeister
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Cybersmart acc: R185
512K DSL access: R326
Telkom phone line: R111
Total = R622 actually and not R546. Right?
So that's a saving of say around R140 on a pretty standard issue internet connection. Now doesn't that make more sense as to why I am defending these prices as being competitive?
MadMailMan
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Doubtful. You will just be "re-activating" your service. But you never know.
What these guys (Neotel) have done in a short space in time is amazing. Remeber when Vodacom first launched? And they were being helped by Telsum. Unless you were in Sandton, on the 3rd floor, standing on your chair and had a Nokia 1600, you couldn't make a call. Give them another 5 years and they will have most of the country covered. I know it's not what we want to hear but setting up the kind of network they are is not something you can do overnight. If you did set it up overnight I wouldn't use it, it would be unreliable and constantlty falling over.
Watch this (orange) space. Mark my words it's going to grow FAST. It makes money sense, and there is NO better incentive. As for Telkom's reaction? Who knows, they have never had to react before. They could be a sleeping giant. They could already have something up thier sleeves.
+1.
This is the reason that Telkom and other ISPs imposes shaping and p2p throttling on our lines, regardless to whether it is illegal or not. We simply do not have the infrastructure to allow everybody to use 500GB, or even close to it.
nictron
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And you forgot UNSHAPED compared to the Cybersmart offering.
Ping Ping Ping Ping...
Ok fair. their offerings are iensie little cheaper than Telkom...But sill very expensive. The capped offerings seem like a rip off to me. How much profit will that be then? Telkom got physical lines to lay install etc..Neotel use air as their lines and still they charge just under Telkom pricing.
The uncapped offering looks cool though I must admit. Question is how long before they throttle you down? How long can they really keep up with everyone downloading continuously...Until we actually have an alternative to the expensive slow SAT3 I dont see uncapped really taking off. They WONT allow you 200gig download a month! I think after 50 they will blow their tops
It all depends what your needs are. Neotels wireless offer ping 300 - 700. According to articles posted on MyBroadband by people that used it, it averages more to 600. On my Telkom adsl line I get 40. Yes a zero less.
Thus I CANT ever use Neotel for Games.
For me I'm waiting for a good ol fixed line from Neotel, or for Telkom to lower their rates. What will be fantastic is if Neotel take on a fibre to home line strategy, Telkom still need to catch up with Neotel's already beefed up backbone. Hit them hard while there is still time.
Neotel: "Prices should be even below a quarter of what it is now"
Infarco:"Prices should be a fifth of what it is now"
Promises promises. We always forget yesterday's promises.
Ok fair. their offerings are iensie little cheaper than Telkom...But sill very expensive. The capped offerings seem like a rip off to me. How much profit will that be then? Telkom got physical lines to lay install etc..Neotel use air as their lines and still they charge just under Telkom pricing.
The uncapped offering looks cool though I must admit. Question is how long before they throttle you down?
How long can they really keep up with everyone downloading continuously...Until we actually have an alternative to the expensive slow SAT3 I dont see uncapped really taking off. They WONT allow you 200gig download a month! I think after 50 they will blow their tops It all depends what your needs are. Neotels wireless offer ping 300 - 700. According to articles posted on MyBroadband by people that used it, it averages more to 600. On my Telkom adsl line I get 40. Yes a zero less.
Thus I CANT ever use Neotel for Games.
For me I'm waiting for a good ol fixed line from Neotel, or for Telkom to lower their rates. What will be fantastic is if Neotel take on a fibre to home line strategy, Telkom still need to catch up with Neotel's already beefed up backbone. Hit them hard while there is still time.
Neotel: "Prices should be even below a quarter of what it is now"
Infarco:"Prices should be a fifth of what it is now"
Promises promises. We always forget yesterday's promises.
francoislr
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But...
But what have we been waiting for since they started, when was it? September 2006 I think? For them to "test the product?" Seriously, They are rolling out only now? What did they do in their first 2 years?! That is probably why I am so disappointed. We thought they were rolling out, doing something, then their launch covers Joburg & 2 suburbs in PTA, when they did say Joburg AND PTA, not Joburg and 2 subs in PTA...
Oh well...I continue to wait.
Doubtful. You will just be "re-activating" your service. But you never know.
What these guys (Neotel) have done in a short space in time is amazing. Remeber when Vodacom first launched? And they were being helped by Telsum. Unless you were in Sandton, on the 3rd floor, standing on your chair and had a Nokia 1600, you couldn't make a call. Give them another 5 years and they will have most of the country covered. I know it's not what we want to hear but setting up the kind of network they are is not something you can do overnight. If you did set it up overnight I wouldn't use it, it would be unreliable and constantlty falling over.
Watch this (orange) space. Mark my words it's going to grow FAST. It makes money sense, and there is NO better incentive. As for Telkom's reaction? Who knows, they have never had to react before. They could be a sleeping giant. They could already have something up thier sleeves.
But what have we been waiting for since they started, when was it? September 2006 I think? For them to "test the product?" Seriously, They are rolling out only now? What did they do in their first 2 years?! That is probably why I am so disappointed. We thought they were rolling out, doing something, then their launch covers Joburg & 2 suburbs in PTA, when they did say Joburg AND PTA, not Joburg and 2 subs in PTA...
Oh well...I continue to wait.
Oneiros667
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Face it, Neotel could be giving internet connections away for free, and people would still complain complain that it's too slow, and the caps to low, that Neotel should pay THEM to use it, etc
If you can actually complain about latency and having insufficient bandwidth to torrent 50GB of 'pirated' TV series and movies, you are part of a small privileged minority. You're spending money on luxuries, and bitching that your hobby is expensive. Nobody MADE you play on-line games.
Neotel isn't a bandwidth fairy that came just to give you cheap torrents so you can watch US TV shows all night long. And until there's acually enough bandwidth in this country for everybody to do that, you're just ruining it for everybody else.
If and when there's that much bandwidth, kewl. But I'm pretty sure they're trying to tap into the hordes of people who actualy NEED a decent internet connection, and / or a viable alternative to Telkom.
I'd also like to to be cheaper, but they're running a business. The problem is you have to 'vote' with your money. If you stay with Telkom, you 'vote' for them, and higher prices.
And unless enough people shift to Noetel, they'll have to close their business. I understand nobody wants to risk being the first one to make the move. But nothing will change if we just sit around and bitch.
We're in the situation we are in with Telkom, because our favourite sport is bitching and passing the buck.
If you can actually complain about latency and having insufficient bandwidth to torrent 50GB of 'pirated' TV series and movies, you are part of a small privileged minority. You're spending money on luxuries, and bitching that your hobby is expensive. Nobody MADE you play on-line games.
Neotel isn't a bandwidth fairy that came just to give you cheap torrents so you can watch US TV shows all night long. And until there's acually enough bandwidth in this country for everybody to do that, you're just ruining it for everybody else.
If and when there's that much bandwidth, kewl. But I'm pretty sure they're trying to tap into the hordes of people who actualy NEED a decent internet connection, and / or a viable alternative to Telkom.
I'd also like to to be cheaper, but they're running a business. The problem is you have to 'vote' with your money. If you stay with Telkom, you 'vote' for them, and higher prices.
And unless enough people shift to Noetel, they'll have to close their business. I understand nobody wants to risk being the first one to make the move. But nothing will change if we just sit around and bitch.
We're in the situation we are in with Telkom, because our favourite sport is bitching and passing the buck.
hj2k_x
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Is that attack aimed at me?
So, you are happy to pay the R300/month for a bad deal, so screw the rest? Typical.
