New M3 range

Easter Bunny said:
maybe everyone who didn't buy an m1 bought an m2 and now everyone is happy. my m2 is going to be my "forever laptop", so if it doesn't suddenly die, then i don't see myself getting a new one in the next 5 years.
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This. I think most people will keep their Apple silicon models for at least 5 years. Probably a bit longer.
 
Easter Bunny said:
maybe everyone who didn't buy an m1 bought an m2 and now everyone is happy. my m2 is going to be my "forever laptop", so if it doesn't suddenly die, then i don't see myself getting a new one in the next 5 years.
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Yeah I concur.

You’re basically describing a “timeline concept”. How it fits in an individual’s purchase.
 
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Easter Bunny said:
maybe everyone who didn't buy an m1 bought an m2 and now everyone is happy. my m2 is going to be my "forever laptop", so if it doesn't suddenly die, then i don't see myself getting a new one in the next 5 years.
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Yeah, I'm still on the M1. I'm not hitting any ceilings with mine and with Apple's generally good hardware endurance I don't see changing it unless something drastic happens.
 
Easter Bunny said:
maybe everyone who didn't buy an m1 bought an m2 and now everyone is happy. my m2 is going to be my "forever laptop", so if it doesn't suddenly die, then i don't see myself getting a new one in the next 5 years.
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The problem is with the consumable aspect of the laptop, the SSD. In the older MB(P)s you could replace the SSD if it failed or was wearing out, this forever machine won't afford that. So either the SSD is big or the amount of memory is large (to limit swap writes) or it won't last all that long. I don't think one can offload the swap to an external NVME SSD.
 
Mirai said:
The problem is with the consumable aspect of the laptop, the SSD. In the older MB(P)s you could replace the SSD if it failed or was wearing out, this forever machine won't afford that. So either the SSD is big or the amount of memory is large (to limit swap writes) or it won't last all that long. I don't think one can offload the swap to an external NVME SSD.
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SSD’s last 10 plus years so it’s literally a non issue. Also it’s morally the SSD controller that fails anyway.
 
backstreetboy said:
SSD’s last 10 plus years so it’s literally a non issue. Also it’s morally the SSD controller that fails anyway.
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They last as much as they're written to. With an 8GB 256GB SSD system that will be written to constantly.

Yes of course controllers can fail and an SSD replacement in the past would also sort that out.
 
Mirai said:
They last as much as they're written to. With an 8GB 256GB SSD system that will be written to constantly.

Yes of course controllers can fail and an SSD replacement in the past would also sort that out.
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I have a test machine that has been read and written and full disk encryption wiped at least 250 times, possibly a lot more and still going strong.

One of the first M1’s to land in SA.

I’m yet to see an M1 SSD actually fail. All of these stories are very much “what ifs” and not really based on historical evidence.

And if it does fail I’m pretty sure it could be swopped as a board level repair…which will be easy to do from a parts pin when the machine is 10 years old.
 
SauRoNZA said:
I have a test machine that has been read and written and full disk encryption wiped at least 250 times, possibly a lot more and still going strong.

One of the first M1’s to land in SA.

I’m yet to see an M1 SSD actually fail. All of these stories are very much “what ifs” and not really based on historical evidence.

And if it does fail I’m pretty sure it could be swopped as a board level repair…which will be easy to do from a parts pin when the machine is 10 years old.
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SSDs have a finite life and with each write cycle that life is shortened. That's different to every other part of the computer. M1 Macs are still quite new, but will they fail in say 2-3 years from now, especially 8GB 256GB storage models? For a "forever" machine, a soldered on SSD won't do. Give all else being equal, a slotted SSD would be better, and it would be better for the planet too, as the whole machine will need to be trashed if only the SSD fails.

I've lost 15% of SSD life on a 2 year old 2TB OWC SSD (according to DriveDx) on a machine which gets used little. I'm not really concerned because it will take me all of 5 minutes to replace this SSD.
 
Mirai said:
8GB is a joke in 2023.
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Perfectly fine for productivity and general use regardless on a Mac. It’s a drop-in pricing option for those more than happy with a MacBook Pro 13.3” with 8GB/512 but with better screen, ports etc. I doubt anyone would be disappointed with it even at the base spec.
 
Many of your/our fav Tubers were saying for "povo spec" rather give the customer 16gb RAM & make the SSD 256gb.

That's arguably more NB for a Pro machine.

There are arguments For & Against this (mos).
 
FiestaST said:
Many of your/our fav Tubers were saying for "povo spec" rather give the customer 16gb RAM & make the SSD 256gb.

That's arguably more NB for a Pro machine.

There are arguments For & Against this (mos).
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Don’t see the issue. $1599 base or $1799 with an extra 8GB memory. Disk storage is far more likely to frustrate than memory though for the average productivity/home/office user.
 
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