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margincall said:
I've been using a Macbook for the past 3 days. I must say I hate it.

Three reasons so far why I hate it:
1. Mouse scroll wheel is inertia based. When I scroll the wheel slowly the page scrolls incredibly slowly. This is not the case on windows.
2. Shortcuts for cut, copy and paste. The command key is literally next to the C and X key. Making it very difficult to execute with one hand.
3. Uninstalling a program is a nightmare. You have to search for all related files yourself.

I'm sure to find more. Here's another Notepad++ which is one of my favourite programs is not available on Mac. And I cant find a suitable alternative.

How many of you are running Windows on your Macs?
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You just have to pretend you are retarded. Then everything works. They have to cater to the majority of people who buy their products.

1) Scroll wheel issues can be fixed with some additional 3rd party software. I have a scroll reverser for example that makes the scroll go in the correct direction for the mouse
2) Don't know what layout you are using, but the command key is right next to the space bar on my machine. Pretty easy to get used to
3) What program? Normally you just delete the program by deleting it out of the Applications folder.

For the Notepad++ thing, that isn't the fault of the machine. It is the application developers. If there really isn't an alternative for you, then you could try running it via Wine:
 
It's almost as if they are purposefully trying to make things difficult for you.
Even the standard scroll direction is inverted.
 
7 times out of 10. If I download an app from the internet, MacOS will say developer not identified or app is out of date.

I grasped Windows very easily. And I grasped Android very easily.
But MacOS is driving me crazy.
 
My niece (35 yo) was ‘forced’ to switch to a Mac when she started her new job.

After 3 days she visited me in tears and desperation- it just didn’t work the way she was used to. I spent 10 minutes adjusting a few things to fit in with her muscle memory a bit better, ‘fixed’ the trackpad click and scroll settings, and took her external mouse hostage (lol - I promised that if she didn’t adjust to the trackpad within a week I’d return the mouse).

She hasn’t looked back since and you’d have to pry her beloved new baby from her cold dead hands

Oh, the mouse is still lying in the bottom of a drawer somewhere

Find a longtime Mac user to help you transition and give it time.
 
margincall said:
I've been using a Macbook for the past 3 days. I must say I hate it.

Three reasons so far why I hate it:
1. Mouse scroll wheel is inertia based. When I scroll the wheel slowly the page scrolls incredibly slowly. This is not the case on windows.
2. Shortcuts for cut, copy and paste. The command key is literally next to the C and X key. Making it very difficult to execute with one hand.
3. Uninstalling a program is a nightmare. You have to search for all related files yourself.

I'm sure to find more. Here's another Notepad++ which is one of my favourite programs is not available on Mac. And I cant find a suitable alternative.

How many of you are running Windows on your Macs?
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1. No way to solve this without a third-party app. MacOS is just not optimized for a scroll wheel. I posted about the same issue with my app recommendation in this thread.

2. This just takes some time to get used to. You can remap the command and control keys if it really bugs you that much.

3. The leftover files are usually really easy to find. I do use AppCleaner on my MacBook, but I think the native uninstall for programs on Windows is much worse than Mac.
 
I learnt a very important lesson from all of this.
I never appreciated Windows. After using MacOS, I now appreciate Windows.

MacOS is good for certain applications but it's not feature rich like Windows.
 
margincall said:
I've been using a Macbook for the past 3 days. I must say I hate it.

Three reasons so far why I hate it:
1. Mouse scroll wheel is inertia based. When I scroll the wheel slowly the page scrolls incredibly slowly. This is not the case on windows.
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So change it.

2. Shortcuts for cut, copy and paste. The command key is literally next to the C and X key. Making it very difficult to execute with one hand.
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Funny I find it much easier for being closer. Just because something is different doesn’t make it bad.

3. Uninstalling a program is a nightmare. You have to search for all related files yourself.
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There is no reason to do this. This isn’t Windows where a few tiny preference and config files take up resources.

Installing and uninstalling Apps is brain dead simple on a Mac.

I'm sure to find more. Here's another Notepad++ which is one of my favourite programs is not available on Mac. And I cant find a suitable alternative.
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You haven’t tried at all have you?

Firstly the built in TextEdit is excellent. But failing that there’s Tincta, Sumblime and a great many others depending what you want to do.

How many of you are running Windows on your Macs?
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Why on earth would anyone want to do that?

Why on earth did you get a Mac?

Your entire post reads as “I’m old and unwilling or incapable of change”.

Going into MacOS and expecting it to be like Windows is not only pointless, but going to make things very hard for you.

Understand it as a new platform and embrace it as such. Don’t ask yourself “how do I make this work like Windows” and rather ask yourself “how do I achieve my goal with MacOS” and you’ll have a far better time of it.

Also throw the mouse away and just use the Trackpad. It’s actually good unlike every Windows piece of kak out there.
 
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margincall said:
I agree. This thing can't be used for serious work.
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No, you can’t adapt to change.

macOS is a powerhouse for “serious work” it’s the operator that is the problem here…not the platform.

Your incapacity to do things does not make the tools inadequate.
 
margincall said:
I wonder if someone here can convert me to Mac.
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You are sounding more and more like a massive troll.

You can only convert yourself…and you don’t seem open to change so odds of that happening is probably nil.
 
dj_jyno said:
Agreed on Sublime Text.

As for uninstalling applications - since I'm mostly a Linux user, doesn't Mac OS deal with applications like most Linux distros where the package manager takes care of most of the dependencies?

Stick it out with Mac OS for a while. Any new OS takes some time to get used to. The easiest way to learn is to forget everything you know about operating a computer in the Windows world.
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There are no dependencies.

MacOS Applications are self-contained in a “zip” style package and therefore requires no package manager really.

User configuration files are stored in very specific folders and are easy to find, but also completely unnecessary to worry about.

OP is trying to make it all work like Windows…which it isn’t.
 
margincall said:
7 times out of 10. If I download an app from the internet, MacOS will say developer not identified or app is out of date.

I grasped Windows very easily. And I grasped Android very easily.
But MacOS is driving me crazy.
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Because it’s a **** developer.

That’s not macOS’s fault.

And you are at liberty to ignore the warning and soldier on…but then don’t blame Apple when it all goes wrong.
 
margincall said:
I learnt a very important lesson from all of this.
I never appreciated Windows. After using MacOS, I now appreciate Windows.

MacOS is good for certain applications but it's not feature rich like Windows.
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Amazing how you’ve spent probably decades with Windows and only 3 days with MacOS and magically come to such a conclusion.

You are a toddler to MacOS right now, you can’t possibly make these judgements.

It’s extremely feature rich, much more so than Windows. Just because you haven’t found it yet doesn’t make it less so.

Not to mention it’s ludicrously stable compared to Windows.

I can’t help but think you are a troll. Is that you 10:10?
 
margincall said:
It's almost as if they are purposefully trying to make things difficult for you.
Even the standard scroll direction is inverted.
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It's stupid, I know. I changed these settings back in 2010 and never looked back. I use Windows and Mac machines interchangeably. OS X is a much nicer system to use though. After Win 7, windows deteriorated.

You can use any mouse with a Mac.

For some reason people have this weird devotion to Apple or Microsoft but for me, whatever works is what I prefer.
 
AfricanTech said:
How to tell us you haven’t ever used an Apple trackpad without telling us that you haven’t ever used an Apple trackpad
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A mouse is generally faster to use than a touchpad. This is because a mouse allows you to move the cursor directly with your hand, while a touchpad requires you to use your finger to drag the cursor across the surface. This can be slower and less precise, especially for tasks that require quick or accurate cursor movements, such as gaming or graphic design.
Research studies have shown that mice outperform touchpads in terms of speed and accuracy for a variety of tasks. For example, a study by Logitech Ergonomic Lab found that participants were 50% more productive when using a mouse than when using a touchpad. Another study found that participants were able to complete pointing tasks more quickly and accurately with a mouse than with a touchpad.
However, there are some tasks where a touchpad may be faster to use than a mouse. For example, if you are performing a task that requires a lot of scrolling, such as reading a long document or browsing the web, a touchpad may be more convenient.
Overall, a mouse is the better choice for users who need to perform tasks quickly and accurately. However, a touchpad may be a good option for users who need a more portable input device or who prefer the convenience of scrolling with their fingers.
Ultimately, the best way to decide which input device is right for you is to try both and see which one you prefer.
 
margincall said:
Use the trackpad?
I now I know you are insane.
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Have you actually tried the trackpad on your MacBook? Other than gaming or tasks that require precision, the trackpad is just a better experience than any mouse - and I say this as someone who uses both daily.

It’s not a Windows laptop, don’t assume the trackpad is bad.
 
The trackpad is awesome, never used it on a Windows laptop, use it constantly on MacBook. Switch on the Mouse only for Powerpoint tweaks etc, when I need that precision.
 
I asked both Bard and ChatGPT this:

Give me a list of ten things that Windows can do that MacOS cannot. And ten things that MacOS can do that Windows cannot.

This is what they had to say:

1. Bard

**Ten things that Windows can do that macOS cannot:**

1. Run a wider variety of software, including many popular games and business applications.
2. Be customized to a greater degree, including the ability to change the look and feel of the desktop, install different user interfaces, and add or remove features.
3. Support a wider range of hardware, including devices from many different manufacturers.
4. Be used to build custom computers and gaming rigs.
5. Be used to dual-boot with other operating systems, such as Linux.
6. Be used to run virtual machines, allowing you to run multiple operating systems on a single computer.
7. Be used to develop software for a wider range of platforms, including Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, and iOS.
8. Be used to play games at higher resolutions and frame rates.
9. Be used to connect to older hardware and software.
10. Be purchased at a lower price point.

**Ten things that macOS can do that Windows cannot:**

1. Seamlessly integrate with other Apple products, such as the iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch.
2. Run macOS-exclusive software, such as Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, and Xcode.
3. Take advantage of Apple's unique hardware features, such as the Touch Bar and Force Touch trackpad.
4. Run more efficiently on Apple hardware, resulting in longer battery life and better performance.
5. Be used to develop software for iOS and macOS.
6. Be used to create and publish content to the App Store and Mac App Store.
7. Benefit from Apple's strong focus on security and privacy.
8. Receive software updates for longer, typically 5-7 years for new Macs.
9. Come with a more polished and user-friendly interface.
10. Have a higher resale value.

It is important to note that both Windows and macOS are excellent operating systems with their own strengths and weaknesses. The best choice for you will depend on your individual needs and preferences.

2. ChatGPT

Certainly! It's important to note that the capabilities of both Windows and MacOS evolve over time, so some of these features may change. Also, many differences can sometimes be overcome with third-party software. That said, here are some distinguishing features or capabilities of each as of my last training data in January 2022:

Windows Capabilities not Native to MacOS (as of 2022):

  1. Touchscreen Support: Many Windows PCs have touchscreens, and Windows has built-in support for touch.
  2. Gaming: Windows supports a broader range of games and gaming peripherals compared to MacOS.
  3. Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL): Allows users to run a Linux distribution alongside their existing Windows installation.
  4. Window Snapping: Easily snap windows to the edges or corners of the screen.
  5. Registry Editor: A tool for advanced users to modify the system's registry.
  6. Device Driver Compatibility: Windows tends to support a wider range of third-party hardware out of the box.
  7. Expandable and Customizable Hardware: Many Windows-based PCs allow for more extensive hardware customization and upgrades.
  8. DirectX: A collection of APIs for handling tasks related to multimedia, especially game programming.
  9. Group Policy: Advanced system and app settings management often used in corporate environments.
  10. BitLocker: A full disk encryption feature included with Windows Professional and Enterprise editions.
MacOS Capabilities not Native to Windows (as of 2022):

  1. Handoff: Seamlessly switch between Apple devices. Start an activity on one device and pick it up on another.
  2. Time Machine: An intuitive backup system that allows users to revert to previous system states.
  3. Native Final Cut Pro: A professional video editing software exclusive to MacOS.
  4. iMessage and FaceTime: Integrated messaging and video calling, synced with other Apple devices.
  5. Automator: A tool for automating repetitive tasks without requiring coding knowledge.
  6. Spotlight: An advanced system-wide search function that seamlessly integrates with MacOS apps.
  7. ProRes: A high-quality video codec developed by Apple for efficient and high-quality video editing.
  8. Airdrop: A feature for easily sharing files between Apple devices over Bluetooth and Wi-Fi.
  9. Integration with iOS Apps: With the introduction of M1 chips and MacOS Big Sur, Macs can run many iOS apps.
  10. Trackpad Gestures: MacOS has a range of multi-touch gestures for trackpads that provide a more integrated experience.
Remember that both operating systems have their strengths, and the best choice often depends on individual needs and preferences.

To me the winner is clear. Windows.
 
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