New Rig

That's going to mess up your weekend.

Ja, Evetech site looks as hardcore as I've seen for a local site. Meeting them on Monday cause they want to convince me to take mobo's, ram and psu they selling so they can guarantee the build. They don't stock the models I'm looking for and I'm not sure I'll budge.
 
That's going to mess up your weekend.

Ja, Evetech site looks as hardcore as I've seen for a local site. Meeting them on Monday cause they want to convince me to take mobo's, ram and psu they selling so they can guarantee the build. They don't stock the models I'm looking for and I'm not sure I'll budge.

They should be able to get all those components unless they have an agreement with a certain supplier where they get parts cheaper if they only buy from that one supplier in which case turn them down. they should be able to guarantee the build without having all their own parts, that sounds like a nice sales pitch to me and something i would turn down.

I would budge on PSU but the memory and mobo not a chance, the mobo for that price is just crazy and asrock are slowly nailing the big guys with price and performance.

guaranteeing a pc build? All they are doing is putting a pc together, if they break something they must replace it. The R 450.00 rand charge should be guarantee enough that if they break something it is on their plate. Basically it sounds like they are covering their asses, if something breaks during the build they are saying they won't be responsible for the fk up. sounds like a good sales pitch, they want to see you to put you under pressure but don't give into pressure and don't let them claim they cannot guarantee a build. Guarantee's will still be held with all the parts but if they break pins on your mobo or something like i wonder if they would replace it if it is determined poor workmanship was too blame and warranty is then voided.

Most of us have put many pc's together and i still do it and i have been out the game for 10 years so if i can manage to put a highend pc together without issues i see no reason why they can't.

I put my 920 6990 12gb memory build with ssd and haf 932 together and it is slick, clean and neat, it has been running for a year and half or something without issues. So they talking kuk. My mate broke pins on his mobo and had to replace it himself haha but he had never put a cpu in, luckily the mobo was cheap, like 1.5k so wasn't too bad.
 
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Agreed. I'm not budging but they prepared to play ball.

Told them esquire were doing the vertex 4 128gb for R1366 all inclusive. They currently charge R1499 but their sales manager Francois said he would match esquires price so I reckon they'll come to the party.

I can understand them not guaranteeing a build if I walk in there with lemon products but the components I'm opting for top notch.

The board, psu and ram are all top quality. I reckon they'll either try convince me to use their equivalent and if I don't they'll try source for me and if they can't I must convince them to guarantee the build on the basis of the quality of the parts used. Period.
 
Agreed. I'm not budging but they prepared to play ball.

Told them esquire were doing the vertex 4 128gb for R1366 all inclusive. They currently charge R1499 but their sales manager Francois said he would match esquires price so I reckon they'll come to the party.

I can understand them not guaranteeing a build if I walk in there with lemon products but the components I'm opting for top notch.

The board, psu and ram are all top quality. I reckon they'll either try convince me to use their equivalent and if I don't they'll try source for me and if they can't I must convince them to guarantee the build on the basis of the quality of the parts used. Period.

If they can source and match pricing go for it no doubt. As you say they are getting top quality parts that are easy to install, something a technician should be able to do with relative ease. 40 minutes, perhaps an hour if they are being very careful. simple, put cpu and ram in mobo, put mobo in case, add gpu, put power supply in, plug everything in, hide cables and bam build is done. Hardly tough for a technician working on that everyday of his/her life.
 
Anybody noticed how this thread eliminated all participants...
 
Lol, thanks dude. I appreciate the advice from all quarters.

Pada's been on but has refrained from commenting in this thread. He may be tired of yet another 'new rig' thread.
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I do not think Pada neither Arthur would want to become part of this thread for any moment for the same reasons below. They are a gentleman with respect for others views and will correct members if they are wrong without any of the belligerent arrogance as we see below. How disgusting.

My advice sandman is do not take a forum user saying yes that is fine as the answer, suggestions yet but go and read some reviews. they get technical and point out possible issues and so on. I never buy a motherboard based on someone's opinion. it is one component you want to ensure is perfect.

Shame ponder did i hit a nerve bud?

It's a big decision to make when you purchase a motherboard and one that should be researched, that is all i was saying, let him read them and then he can say i have decided to purchase this mobo based on many good reviews and not because ponder told me it was good. You freak out and link reviews which was my exact point so why so angry bro? are you upset that someone had the nerve to question your judgement or knowledge?

tell us which of those two what you would pick and why. Although eish i don't wanna make you cry again.

Ponder if he didn't read the reviews do you think he would have noticed that the extreme4 has some memory incompatibilities , meaning you need to check what memory to buy before you buy it online. Did you mention that to him? the extreme 4. Fairly important information but i am sure you told him about it so when he bought memory he would know what to stay away from. Must have been a pm, now dude when i say there is technical info that some forum members might not know you have proven why you read reviews before listening to a forum a member who suggests something. You can research their suggestion but it is never a great idea to purchase based on what one person says. Technical info and possible issues are pointed out in reviews unlike ponder who never pointed out the memory issue and was forced into posting reviews haha anyways. If you want to listen to ponder without researching the only issue is memory, ask ponder about it. Don't google because ponder will know.]

Ponder what memory should he avoid with that extreme4, what memory do you have?

Experience and know how of ponder and wesley is truly amazing spotting the the memory issue and linking a list for sandman to ensure he buys the the right memory. Wait that wasn't ponder nor was it wesley. I think ponder and wesley can be the guys who recommend stuff and the rest of us will research the item in question because research and reading reviews seems way better than listening to random forum users claiming they know it all. Why read reviews with ponder around. Just buy and hope he isn't a noob who misses that the board has an issue, not a big issue but an issue that could end badly without the right information.

The list of memory supported by the extreme4, maybe the right memory would have been bought but now you know without a doubt you won't buy the wrong memory. Rather safe than sorry, oddly i picked up the issue reading reviews. Now the experience wesley speaks of is clearly lacking so let the inexperienced killadoob help out and put effort into pointing it out. I won't however tell you to ignore reviews and buy what i tell you because honestly that i will leave to special people with big heads.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77 Extreme4/?cat=Memory

Wesley and ponder the most experienced people to recommend hardware. We all know recommending something is where it ends, no need for reviews to pick up something as silly as memory issues. Thank god for the experience of ponder and wesley, now we know there is a memory issue and we have a list of memory that will work.

Got to say this hardware forum needs pada and a few others back, now pada is someone i would not question because amazingly wesley and ponder he reads reviews and researches using google.com. Anyways maybe this post is not helpful considering how experienced some people are. Experienced in what is the question wesley? Reading facebook instead of reviews or just assuming the motherboard would work with every memory module out there when reviews CLEARLY POINTED IT OUT AS AN ISSUE. Sandman don't bother with my posts dude i think the experience of wesley and ponder is enough.

Ponder: It has also received very favourable reviews

Yup it has but many folks who didn't read reviews have had to exchange memory or buy new memory because they thought like most motherboards most ram works. If you make the right memory selection you are fine, reviews are very good, extreme 6 gets rave reviews as well, the fatality not really that great. Extreme 6 looks pretty good though as well but the extreme 4 will be amazing and looks incredible, with the right memory it will work at least. Very rare to find a board that supports such a limited range of memory but at least there is a list to work from so it won't be an issue.

Well done ponder and wesley for ensuring sandman didn't have to read reviews because you had it covered 100% with no issues. You guys are truly SPECIAL. Thank goodness there are more than just the two of you in the hardware section.

Pada where you at bro, we need someone who knows his shyte and won't attack someone for pointing out an issue. sandman don't just buy what people tell you unless you know they are good, pada would have told you about this board and linked the supported memory because he would have known about it. Anyways i am done, nice long post just for wesley :D. Mwa mr experienced in something, recommendations is not really great wesley. Knowing your shyte is way better but pada will be back to help you.

Nope but you will want a big case like haf x, having had a look closely at the extreme six it won't be an issue. I can't see anything it would block or get blocked by. What you must check sandman is the box you buy, i don't have time right now to check the length of that card but check the length and ensure the box you buy will cope easily or you will land up with a cramped box with no airflow. Make sure the box has good cable management as well.

If i was buying high end parts i would ensure i had a box more than capable of handling the parts like haf x or something big and spacious. if you are set on a box read reviews and ensure they don't mention space issues and poor cable management. I have heard the direct c cooling on the asus cards can rattle you may want to look at another brand or just read some reviews because it's fine when you game but rattling can get annoying. i am not telling you what to do though just offering advice, i am only a forum member and i could be wrong. If you are going drop 10-15k on a pc you would be silly to avoid reading many many reviews.

Ponder and wesley proved reading reviews is extremely important when blowing big money on computer stuff.

Do not listen to seriously, asus may be big but that does not mean they are the best. Asrock are making some of the best boards at the moment, buying asus because they are big is silly. Having said that if you want to buy asus and feel it would be better by all means go for it but don't do it because they are big. Big yes the best? I dunno

You get converters sandman, that though i am not clued up on i don't know if you get a dvi to hdmi converter but i know hdmi to dvi is fine.

You are wasting 1k on the psu but it's your choice. I am off to go take my g/f shopping i will check it out a bit later and read some reviews and try help you, i won't tell you what to do but i will do my best to help you decide :D.

Well if you don't mind the inexperienced killa**** helping you, you might want those experienced know hows to help you rather but the i think their tails are between their legs at the moment.

Shyte bro pity pada isn't around :( but google will get you there :D.

One last thing this http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2012/09/24/cooler-master-haf-xm-review/1 looks like fking rubbish to me.

Go look at the haf x and see how many fans it has, that box looks like it won't have good cooling. Don't cheap out on the box, drop the psu and spend the savings on the haf x rather but it's your choice. Mid tower and high end pc isn't right.

High end pc high end case, full tower

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Yeah. We all know killa can be as tactful as a bulldozer sometimes but anyone who has anything to say about the build speak now or forever hold your peace.
 
Yeah. We all know killa can be as tactful as a bulldozer sometimes but anyone who has anything to say about the build speak now or forever hold your peace.

It's not the lack of tact it's the arrogance and total disrespect for others. I would hate to be part of family, friend, pet or anything close to such a person.

Anyway I am sure you nailed it all. There are nothing better on the market so you now have the best. Nothing can be added here so I will forever hold my peace. I am sure you will be happy.
 
Geesus it's usually in killa's anti west threads that he gets described like that.

Anyway glad you happy with the build.
 
Geesus it's usually in killa's anti west threads that he gets described like that.

Anyway glad you happy with the build.

Sad isn't it?


Some more food for thought:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5793/...th-ivy-bridge-asrock-asus-gigabyte-and-msi/18

Conclusion – ASRock Z77 Extreme4

I had high expectations of the ASRock product due to what we have seen in previous chipsets. Over time, they have developed this knack of offering a good performance product at a great price, and a large amount of free kit in the box to sweeten the deal.

The Z77 Extreme4 is the lower end enthusiast board coming out from ASRock at release (compared to a total 20 models listed on their website). Therefore, when it comes in at $135, we should like this price. In the box is not substantial, with just a pair of SATA cables and an SLI finger, but we are treated to the ASRock BIOS and Software package. The big addition on the package is the Internet Flash software, allowing users to update their BIOS to the latest without needing to download it in an Operating System.


Performance wise, ASRock seem to be lacking the enhanced Turbo option utilized by other motherboard manufacturers by default, so we may see it in future BIOS builds. The XFast LAN software also shows superior performance in incompressible transfers or real-world transfers compared to standard USB throughput.

By making this board a little bit smaller than ATX, this board is cheaper than the rest and I really like the styling. As long as you remember to adjust the default CPU fan speed, this inexpensive board would be a good choice for an Ivy Bridge build.

Conclusion – ASUS P8Z77-V Pro

Whenever a reviewer deals with a variety of products at different price points, thoughts go through the mind of a reviewer about where that additional money has gone. If you look at an ASUS board, the usual culprits pop up - vastly improved fan controls, superior BIOS and software, digital power delivery, and a general feel that the board is solidly built. ASUS has gone another step further with their Z77 range, and on the Pro this means an Intel NIC as standard, onboard WiFi, USB Flashback, all four Ivy Bridge video outputs available, USB 3.0 Boost, Q-LED for POST diagnosis, and even a Thunderbolt header which connects to a future ASUS Thuderbolt add-in card (sold separately).



Performance on the P8Z77-V Pro is bolstered by the MultiCore Enhancement BIOS setting, which invokes maximum turbo mode for any core loading by default giving multi-threaded results an advantageous score. I feel this sort of setting will quickly become the standard, as motherboard manufacturers try to provide the best bang for buck on their products.

Despite the mishap regarding my CPU cooler (which is of an old design), there is not much I can complain about on the P8Z77-V Pro. It overclocked a set of G.Skill DDR3-2666 memory to DDR3-2950 with a little increase in voltage without issue, and it overclocked the CPU rather vigorously to give 4774 MHz, even if it was a little toasty under load.

At $225/$235, the motherboard spectrum for Ivy Bridge will separate the very cheap and the very functional. For a long-term build, the ASUS P8Z77-V Pro is a solid choice, and even has ASUS Premium Service warranty if you are in North America.

Update: I have just been informed that the Pro will soon drop in MSRP to $209. This makes it even more affordable.

Some more of the placement issues to consider. May not be relevant in your case or mobo choice (apart for the ram).

On a more negative note, ASRock do use what seems the common layout of chipset and socket on the motherboard, placing the socket in the bottom right corner and the chipset above the socket. As mentioned in the other boards (except the EVGA and ASUS who do it differently), this limits the CPU cooler to Intel specifications in the x-y plane if normal memory and GPUs are used.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1313875/itx-motherboards-asus-p8z77-i-deluxe-vs-asrock-z77e-itx

If you plan to use water-cooling or a low-profile cooler for the cpu & use a mini-itx case, save the $50 & buy the ASRock. If you prefer flexibility between water-cooling, air-cooling, & plan to use a micro-atx case or Bitfenix Prodigy, buy the ASUS

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6516/...of-the-best-msi-zotac-asrock-evga-and-asus/23

Another point: Bluntly stating that Asrock is better than Asus should never be believed.

Performance from the ASUS ranks among the highest, with one test pulling out a repetitive 5-20% lead over the rest. Among the gaming benchmarks it also scores very highly in the face of the competition. Power draw on our test bed was qualitatively lower, and Windows 7 POST times sat around the 11 second mark with a discrete GPU installed.

Honestly, if I were constructing a mITX build today, out of the boards tested, it would easily be with the ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe. It comes in at $185 for the normal version and $200 for the WiDi version, which may be pricey compared to the others tested in this review, but in return we have a solid package that is easy to use and well featured. There may be a different winner if you look at price/performance in the strictest sense, but having the ASUS on the test bed and using it for my testing brought a fuller sense of ease in mITX computing.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6516/...of-the-best-msi-zotac-asrock-evga-and-asus/25

As a result, I would like to give the ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe an AnandTech Editors’ Choice Bronze Award, for a combined effort in motherboard innovation and as an overall package.


Did you know that Asus was the creator or father of Asrock? :whistle:

ASUStek and Asrock, same company?

It seems quite a few people think that Asrock is still a subsidiary of ASUStek. That is no longer the case since in July 2010 the company was spun off and Pegatron (100% owner of Asrock) is an independent company that is not ASUS but rather a competitor to ASUS. Since then Asrock has actually climbed above MSI and ECS to #3 in non-oem mb market share.

Pegatron is an OEM (whitebox manufacturer) and ASUS (and some other companies) outsource a lot of boards to Pegatron. ASUStek does however own minority shares in Pegatron (25%) and the two companies have some IP cross-licensed but the two are now independent.
 
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I quite like your build:
M/B: Asrock Z77 Extreme 6
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770k
RAM: G.Skill F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM 4 X 4GB DDR3 2133
SSD: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB
Case: Corsair 600T
PSU: Corsair HX850
GPU: Sapphire Vapor-x HD7970 3GB OC

Please take note that the picture that Rebeltech has on their website for the Corsair H80i was that of the H100i.

Unless you're planning on overclocking past 4.5GHz, I'd rather recommend going for the Arctic Freezer i30, which is about 1/4th of the cost and it is quieter and gives very good performance!
One of the most comprehensive benchmark/review sites that I've seen: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/arctic-freezer-i30_5.html#sect1

I'd change the RAM to G.Skill F3-2133C9D-16GXH 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3-2133MHz 1.6V CL9 @ R1480
The differences are: slightly cheaper, only 2 modules, tested at lower voltage, but it has a slightly higher latency:
9-11-11-31 2N vs 9-11-10-28 2N
If you want to save like R500, then go for the G.Skill F3-1600C9D-16GAR (2x8GB) DDR3-1600MHz 1.5V CL9 @ R949 modules instead, which was tested at 9-9-9 2N @ 1.5V

This setup is missing a HDD and Windows license, unless you're only upgrading your existing setup and you have a retail version license and not a DSP one.

Seeing that you already have the following pretty decent rig:
ATI Radeon HD6870
Corsair TX850
Vertex 3 120gb SSD (primary)
2 x 2TB drives
i5-750 CPU
Asus P7P55D LE
8gb RAM @ 1333
CM690 chassis
... it may actually be worth it just to upgrade the graphics card, CPU and motherboard.
 
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I quite like your build:
M/B: Asrock Z77 Extreme 6
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770k
RAM: G.Skill F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM 4 X 4GB DDR3 2133
SSD: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB
Case: Corsair 600T
PSU: Corsair HX850
GPU: Sapphire Vapor-x HD7970 3GB OC

Please take note that the picture that Rebeltech has on their website for the Corsair H80i was that of the H100i.

Unless you're planning on overclocking past 4.5GHz, I'd rather recommend going for the Arctic Freezer i30, which is about 1/4th of the cost and it is quieter and gives very good performance!
One of the most comprehensive benchmark/review sites that I've seen: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/arctic-freezer-i30_5.html#sect1

I'd change the RAM to G.Skill F3-2133C9D-16GXH 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3-2133MHz 1.6V CL9 @ R1480
The differences are: slightly cheaper, only 2 modules, tested at lower voltage, but it has a slightly higher latency:
9-11-11-31 2N vs 9-11-10-28 2N
If you want to save like R500, then go for the G.Skill F3-1600C9D-16GAR (2x8GB) DDR3-1600MHz 1.5V CL9 @ R949 modules instead, which was tested at 9-9-9 2N @ 1.5V

This setup is missing a HDD and Windows license, unless you're only upgrading your existing setup and you have a retail version license and not a DSP one.

Seeing that you already have the following pretty decent rig:
ATI Radeon HD6870
Corsair TX850
Vertex 3 120gb SSD (primary)
2 x 2TB drives
i5-750 CPU
Asus P7P55D LE
8gb RAM @ 1333
CM690 chassis
... it may actually be worth it just to upgrade the graphics card, CPU and motherboard.

Appreciate the feedback, most of which makes a lot of sense.

I've since changed the mobo to ASRock Z77 Formula OC. It's a bit of a beast and impressive buyer feedback on Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157328

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/asrock_z77_oc_formula/

Cooling solutions has given me a lot to ponder, from space requirements, to fan mount requirements, to motherboard and ram compatibility issues...

Again Newegg buyer feedback on the Noctua NH-D14 swayed me towards the air cooler solution and this air cooler solution in particular.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

While on the other hand the water cooling Corsair solution is not without its critics.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181016

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017

You spot on regarding the ram. 2 x 8gb pieces make a lot more sense/cents. Agree, in real world terms would there be a perceivable difference running 1600 vs 2133?? Probably not. A R500 premium is probably a bit much to pay for bragging rights.

HDD I have 2 x 2TB Seagates in my current setup which I will be transferring to the new rig. Also Windows 7 OEM license.

My old rig gets sold to my business for the princely sum of R8k. The old business pc gets sold for R3k so the new build costs me a little over R7k. That's the only reason I've chosen not to simply upgrade my current pc.
 
IMO if you're going for such an expensive motherboard, then you may as well go for an expensive cooler :)

Like I paid R2500 (2nd-hand) for my Asus P6T Deluxe v2 motherboard & Xonar DX, which was pretty darn expensive 2.5 years ago, but the motherboard overclocks very nicely and handles my 2x GTX460's with pretty decent temperatures too.

The 850W PSU is complete overkill if you're going for a single GPU setup, but seeing that you have such a high-end motherboard, running CrossFire could be worth while in a year or two.
 
IMO if you're going for such an expensive motherboard, then you may as well go for an expensive cooler :)

Like I paid R2500 (2nd-hand) for my Asus P6T Deluxe v2 motherboard & Xonar DX, which was pretty darn expensive 2.5 years ago, but the motherboard overclocks very nicely and handles my 2x GTX460's with pretty decent temperatures too.

The 850W PSU is complete overkill if you're going for a single GPU setup, but seeing that you have such a high-end motherboard, running CrossFire could be worth while in a year or two.

Glad you approve!! :p

I don't want to spend another cent on this machine for at least the next 3 years. Since I'm not a gamer it's highly unlikely this machine will ever be taxed or stressed anywhere near its limits.

But on the off chance that I do take up gaming and/or parallel programming the extra power will come in handy. :twisted:
 
Hmm. If you're not a gamer really, why do you need a PC better than your existing one?
 
I can justify it by saying the business needs a replacement for the one currently in service, it being a 5 year old machine with 16 surveillance cameras running off it 24/7. It also acts as a back office pc that the managers conduct their daily tasks on.
 
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