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W@P said:
This is what I had in mind. And now all these issues come out.

I haven't specced a PC in fsck knows how many years. And now that I want to there is a decision to be made by going Intel or AMD. WTF?
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At least you can avoid making a bad decision now and I’d just avoid Intel as corporate greed is the root of this issue

AMD CPUs are good , I have both Intel and AMD builds and haven’t had an issue well until this Intel issue cropped up , I’d suggest taking a look at AMD
 
Given all current Intel CPUs are end of life AND the fact they’re borked basically means AMD is the only option.

Luckily, they’re also the superior option so the choice is made easy.

Buy AMD, be happy.
 
UrBaN963 said:
Given all current Intel CPUs are end of life AND the fact they’re borked basically means AMD is the only option.

Luckily, they’re also the superior option so the choice is made easy.

Buy AMD, be happy.
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Was recommended a Ryzen 7 5700x by this thread and happy with the performance even though its quite an old cpu

Eventually went with a RX 6950 XT paired with this and run games mostly at 4K high with 50-60fps
 
I bought one these super cheap upgrade kits from evescum, anybody else tried it yet?
Seems to be super good value for money, going pair with with an used rx 6600 for mini warzone pc.
System Configuration​
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AMD RYZEN 5 3500 B450M-A PRO MAX 16GB 3200MHz Upgrade Kit
 
Calls them Evescum. Supports them financially anyway. We have a new entrant for the special olympics.

In other news...how much did you pay? The 3500 is not known as a gaming CPU. The MSI A-Pro boards are generally very cheap, basic units, though the X570 I had gave me no issues.
 
UrBaN963 said:
Calls them Evescum. Supports them financially anyway. We have a new entrant for the special olympics.

In other news...how much did you pay? The 3500 is not known as a gaming CPU. The MSI A-Pro boards are generally very cheap, basic units, though the X570 I had gave me no issues.
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It is going R2700 for the kit.

Basically cpu comes down to R800, which I could not say no to :p

Cpu seems be on par to i5 10500 or so which does play warzone fine, but does run near 100% cpu usage on the pc i tested.

So would be interesting to see how it performs.

I5 10500 can handle up 3060ti in warzone, after that it starts bottleneck with likes of 3070 not getting max gpu usage
 
W@P said:
I want to build a new PC. Budget around R30k I think? I am really out of touch with the flavor of the month atm. Need something that can last me a good few years. ATM I am using an I5-7500 with 32gb ram and GTX1060
Just the PC no screens or anything.

What would you guys suggest? Parts wise.
I want 64 GB of memory. I don't game ATM so not too worried about a moerse graphics card. I do however use 3 x screens so the GPU should be kind of decent. I also need the MB to have an HDMI port and onboard WI-FI with optical out, Asus preferably.
I have a nvme drive for my OS already.

So basically I need a CPU, GPU, MB, PSU, RAM, Case. That's it I think. Not going all RGB style. Just plain black or white. Or the new wood-look cases.

All suggestions are welcome.

Thanks
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There's about a 100% jump in single-threaded performance between your i5-7500 and a Ryzen 7700x (using Cinebench scores to compare) and a 600% jump in multi-threaded performance. If you're going to be using your pc for roughly the same things as before, waiting for another generation for an additional 10% doesn't seem worth it, imo. It might be months before we know if there are issues with the new 9000 series parts.

Ryzen 7000 has been beta-tested by everyone else who bought in already - why not take advantage of that? Late mover advantage in business parlance.
 
Neoprod said:
There's about a 100% jump in single-threaded performance between your i5-7500 and a Ryzen 7700x (using Cinebench scores to compare) and a 600% jump in multi-threaded performance. If you're going to be using your pc for roughly the same things as before, waiting for another generation for an additional 10% doesn't seem worth it, imo. It might be months before we know if there are issues with the new 9000 series parts.

Ryzen 7000 has been beta-tested by everyone else who bought in already - why not take advantage of that? Late mover advantage in business parlance.
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AMD's 9950X scored 56% faster on water cooling than an intel 14900KS on liquid nitrogen on Time Spy.

And 45.5% faster than the 7950X.

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So far it's looking like there's gonna be a lot more than a 10% improvement this generation.
 

NVIDIA Blackwell GPUs facing delays​


NVIDIA has informed Microsoft, one of its major customers, about the delay. The issue appears to be a design flaw which requires the chip to be fixed, validated and put into production once again.

What’s perhaps even more important is that larger shipments of Blackwell chips are not expected before the first quarter of 2025, just as NVIDIA is expected to launch of the gaming variant of Blackwell.

Nvidia Corp.’s upcoming artificial intelligence chips will be delayed due to design flaws, The Information reports, citing two unidentified people who help produce the chip and its server hardware. The chips may be delayed by three months or more, which could affect Nvidia’s customers including Meta Platforms Inc., Google LLC and Microsoft Corp.
— Yi Wei Wong, Bloomberg

 
That's pretty underwhelming - I expected a bit too much.

Does clear up buying decisions though - previous gen is cheaper and tried and tested. I see Gamer's Nexus had issues getting through their testing (had to request a replacement 9600x and had problems with their 9700x testing).
 
I see many are now requesting the reviewers to redo their tests with PBO enabled. AMD considers PBO not to be covered by their warranty, and sure it would have been in the reviewer notes to benchmark these CPUs with PBO enabled. Some did enable PBO, but PBO did not cover all benchmarks.

Technically it is overclocking, but hey, something tells me that AMD is being cautious with the current Intel scandal. They did postpone their launch day…

Anyhow. Architecturally, this is an impressive improvement. People are weighing too much on gaming. You want a Zen 5 series gaming CPU, then wait until the X3D CPUs go to market.
 
Neoprod said:
That's pretty underwhelming - I expected a bit too much.

Does clear up buying decisions though - previous gen is cheaper and tried and tested. I see Gamer's Nexus had issues getting through their testing (had to request a replacement 9600x and had problems with their 9700x testing).
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PCWorld delayed both their CPU tests due to their tests being erratic. They said that they experienced anomalies.
 
In my own opinion. Zen 5 should have launched with the AM5 800 series boards, paired with the optimal memory. This is the package which should have gone out to the reviewers. It is now said that the 800 series boards will only go to market in late September. From August to September, now closer to October.
 
I am still surprised that both Intel and AMD can't get CPU scheduling to work proper on Windows, and yes, to a large part it has to do with MS too. The problem is that CPU scheduling isn't optimal, and that users have to rely on third-party apps like Lasso. Lasso also isn't always reliable, but at least it can mitigate 'errors' in CPU scheduling.

It has now been years, and CPU scheduling still sucks. The Linux scheduler has the same issues. In time this will be worked out, but will it by that time support older generation CPUs which are reliant on scheduling?

This irks me. Current generation CPUs, and even memory, could behave more optimally.

What may change the game is the new CSODIMM and CUDIMM memory modules which will have their own client clock driver, it won't solve CPU scheduling, but the CPU/RAM optimal pairing options will change.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I see many are now requesting the reviewers to redo their tests with PBO enabled. AMD considers PBO not to be covered by their warranty, and sure it would have been in the reviewer notes to benchmark these CPUs with PBO enabled. Some did enable PBO, but PBO did not cover all benchmarks.
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der8auer did a few tests on that. Got 21% increase from unlocking PBO. Not as much difference in games though.


Fulcrum29 said:
Technically it is overclocking, but hey, something tells me that AMD is being cautious with the current Intel scandal. They did postpone their launch day…
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Yeah I wonder. Seems a bit weird to release a chip that performs almost the same as last gen but at much lower power draw. With NVIDIA delaying their chips as well I'm starting to suspect there is a more widespread problem with some fabrication process. This could be AMD biting the bullet to cover their ass.

Fulcrum29 said:
Anyhow. Architecturally, this is an impressive improvement. People are weighing too much on gaming. You want a Zen 5 series gaming CPU, then wait until the X3D CPUs go to market.
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:thumbsup:
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Anyhow. Architecturally, this is an impressive improvement. People are weighing too much on gaming. You want a Zen 5 series gaming CPU, then wait until the X3D CPUs go to market.
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I'm ambivalent at best - this feels to me like what Nvidia did with Turing. Made a data centre-focused product and shipped it to gamers...worked out well for them. At least Granite Ridge is not as price-gougy as the 20-series GPUs were so that's a plus.

Efficiency is a big deal for mobile and servers but not so interesting for home users (I say that even though I run my 88W at default CPU at 75W because I don't need multi-core performance as much as high boost on a few cores). I will say the tools to make the chip behave as you'd like are all there and easily available so that's cool. I'd be scared to run a new CPU out of spec though - like you pointed out, there may be reasons beyond efficiency that AMD decided to sell an X-labelled 8 core CPU with a 65W TDP.

Also the efficiency gains themselves are not as impressive if you compare the 9700x for example to the 8-core cpu with the same 65W TDP in the previous gen which would be the 7700 not the 7700x. It's more efficient, yes but performance per watt isn't as big as a leap as comparing to the very inefficient 7700x looks. Basically, the 9700x should be called the 9700 - maybe that's the typo :ROFL:
 
I have a sneaking suspicion we may be in for some minor improvements when we get the new chipset. But overall a fairly lacklustre release thus far.
 
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