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[Assasin_Zer0]

As long as it is not a previously RMA'd board then it is all good. Ages ago, I ordered an ASUS H81 board... It looked like it was stored in a barn, had bent CPU socket pins, like in an L shape, and the socket cover was loose. RMA wasn’t accepted. This was more than a decade ago. Never had an issue since.

The shops go through the channels, and there are things which I won't explain here. In the US, and some other regions, the channels are more tightly-knit. Here they have 'strategic' partners, but there are cases where RMA'd products are shipped all the way back. Pending on the case, you may wait months.

Luckily we have an implied warranty. For the rest, there is an extended warranty, and this is where some sellers are more pro-consumer than others.

I bought brand new kit on the 27th of June ,
the ASUS ROG Strix Z790-A GAMING WiFi 7 II DDR5 LGA1700 being the Motherboard.
I notified the shop i purchased from the following day that the Wifi\BT is non functional. I had to complete an RMA request and as of writing I'm still sitting without a motherboard. (R70k total spent)
I'm not sure weather this is a Shop or Asus issue , per the shop they cannot do anything until Asus techs have completed an assessment.

 

[RedViking]

I would like to do some upgrades on my PC soon. Maybe in a bits and pieces, but also want to be able to use the hardware in a future build. Im thinking of starting with a better CPU and a RTX card or whatever supports Raytrace. Í guess my motherboard will be the limiting factor. Current specs:

Maybe starting with better GPU, then CPU, then Memory. Don't mind secondhand either.

Board: Z170 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A12)
CPU: i7-6700K
GPU: Geforce GTX1070
Memory: 8GB x 2 / 2400 MHZ

 

[deesef]

I would like to do some upgrades on my PC soon. Maybe in a bits and pieces, but also want to be able to use the hardware in a future build. Im thinking of starting with a better CPU and a RTX card or whatever supports Raytrace. Í guess my motherboard will be the limiting factor. Current specs:

Maybe starting with better GPU, then CPU, then Memory. Don't mind secondhand either.

Board: Z170 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A12)
CPU: i7-6700K
GPU: Geforce GTX1070
Memory: 8GB x 2 / 2400 MHZ

That's a good build, if nothing is faulty

 

[rambo919]

I would like to do some upgrades on my PC soon. Maybe in a bits and pieces, but also want to be able to use the hardware in a future build. Im thinking of starting with a better CPU and a RTX card or whatever supports Raytrace. Í guess my motherboard will be the limiting factor. Current specs:

Maybe starting with better GPU, then CPU, then Memory. Don't mind secondhand either.

Board: Z170 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A12)
CPU: i7-6700K
GPU: Geforce GTX1070
Memory: 8GB x 2 / 2400 MHZ

With that you could upgrade the GPU and probably PSU and the RAM to 32GB. Your limiting factor will be that you need a 16x GPU because an 8x PCIe4 on a PCIe3 mobo will be heavily bottlenecked..... also 12GB VRAM minimum. You most likely cant upgrade the CPU.

Personally I would not bother with raytracing, its mostly a fad unless you have a 90 class GPU.

 

[longboy]

I would like to do some upgrades on my PC soon. Maybe in a bits and pieces, but also want to be able to use the hardware in a future build. Im thinking of starting with a better CPU and a RTX card or whatever supports Raytrace. Í guess my motherboard will be the limiting factor. Current specs:

Maybe starting with better GPU, then CPU, then Memory. Don't mind secondhand either.

Board: Z170 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A12)
CPU: i7-6700K
GPU: Geforce GTX1070
Memory: 8GB x 2 / 2400 MHZ

Get a 14th Gen Upgrade Kit (CPU/Mainboard/RAM bundle) as it works out cheaper than buying them individually. Ideally 32Gb or more RAM. If your Case is old, there are a lot of cheap sub R1k cases that have good cooling.

Then when you have the cash, slot in a RTX 4070 Super, best bang for buck at the moment. The GPU is ~R12.9k now.

 

[rambo919]

Get a 14th Gen Upgrade Kit (CPU/Mainboard/RAM bundle) as it works out cheaper than buying them individually. Ideally 32Gb or more RAM. If your Case is old, there are a lot of cheap sub R1k cases that have good cooling.

Then when you have the cash, slot in a RTX 4070 Super, best bang for buck at the moment. The GPU is ~R12.9k now.

Much as I want to go team red..... I just cant justify the extra power their models draw :/

I am probably going to wait for discounts when the next gen comes out and get a 4070something then.... on the other hand on the CPU side AM5 seems the superior choice for upgrade kits if only because on the still ongoing intel degradation saga.

 

[longboy]

Much as I want to go team red..... I just cant justify the extra power their models draw :/

I am probably going to wait for discounts when the next gen comes out and get a 4070something then.... on the other hand on the CPU side AM5 seems the superior choice for upgrade kits if only because on the still ongoing intel degradation saga.

Yeah I use a 7600X CPU now for R4999 from Wootware. A lot better than the Intel equivalent and no degradation issues due to erratic overvoltage power draw for it's P-Cores.

It supports my 2 x 32Gb DDR5 RAM modules in Dual Channel and the AMD EXPO gives it a nice boost as well. The price was what got me - huge performance for such a great price.

I see no good reasons to get Intel as a CPU now tbh.

 

[rambo919]

It supports my 2 x 32Gb DDR5 RAM modules in Dual Channel and the AMD EXPO gives it a nice boost as well. The price was what got me - huge performance for such a great price.

Now there is just the RAM degradation issue due to bad OC profiles that some have gotten to worry about..... everyone is trying to take us for rides.

 

[UrBaN963]

Definitely do NOT go for 14th-gen Intel. It's end-of-life, makes no sense buying that now at all, unless you have a specific work task that the Intel is far superior than AMD at. Until the next Intel CPUs and motherboards release, there's no reason to buy Intel.

Grab a 7600/X and 32GB of DDR5-6000 and you're good to go.

 

[rambo919]

Lunduke made a very insightful vid about RAM trends over the decades. Some surprising patterns.

 

[Neoprod]

Definitely do NOT go for 14th-gen Intel. It'd end-of-life, makes no sense buying that now at all, unless you have a specific work task that the Intel is far superior than AMD at. Until the next Intel CPUs and motherboards release, there's no reason to buy Intel.

Grab a 7600/X and 32GB of DDR5-6000 and you're good to go.

There's also the 7500f which is 20% cheaper \ 5% slower than a 7600x - decent.

Motherboard prices continue to suck though - the cheapest board I would get is almost as expensive as the CPU which is ridiculous.

 

[rambo919]

There's also the 7500f which is 20% cheaper \ 5% slower than a 7600x - decent.

Motherboard prices continue to suck though - the cheapest board I would get is almost as expensive as the CPU which is ridiculous.

When I look at any mobo price these days my first thought is "boet..... is jy nou heeltemal bef-k?"

And then I look at RAM prices and wonder why lights are so expensive.....

 

[Intox]

Very interesting discussion with GN and Wendell regarding Intel 13th and 14th Gen CPU issues.

Video from Wendell regarding his investigation into the issue.

 

[rambo919]

Very interesting discussion with GN and Wendell regarding Intel 13th and 14th Gen CPU issues.

Video from Wendell regarding his investigation into the issue.

What pisses me off is obviously team red is not going to take advantage of this by doing better... they are going to use it as an excuse to get lazy.... and even more CPU's are probably going to explode.

 

[Intox]

Small update to the Intel 13th and 14th gen issues, not looking good for Intel right now.

Warframe Dev released crash stats and the majority of game crashes are coming 14th and 13th gen GPUs

Warframe Staff Reveals Intel's 14th & 13th Gen CPUs Responsible For Instability Issues, i9-13900K Takes Up A Major Portion

Warframe has showcased its findings on Intel's instability issues, revealing that 14th Gen & 13th Gensible for cshes.

wccftech.com

Also from Alderon Games
intel-crashes

My team at Alderon Games, working on the multiplayer dinosaur survival game Path of Titans, has been encountering significant problems with Intel CPU stability. These issues, including crashes, instability, and memory corruption, are confined to the 13th and 14th generation processors. Despite all released microcode, BIOS, and firmware updates, the problem remains unresolved.

We have identified failures in five main areas:

• End Customers: Thousands of crashes on Intel CPUs on 13th and 14th Gen CPUs in our crash reporting tools.
• Official Dedicated Game Servers: Experiencing constant crashes, taking entire servers down.
• Development Team: Developers using these CPUs face frequent instability while building and working on the game. It can also cause SSD and memory corruption.
• Game Server Providers: Hosting community servers with persistent crashing issues.
• Benchmarking Tools: Decompression and memory tests unrelated to Path of Titans also fail.

 

[tetrasect]

I would like to do some upgrades on my PC soon. Maybe in a bits and pieces, but also want to be able to use the hardware in a future build. Im thinking of starting with a better CPU and a RTX card or whatever supports Raytrace. Í guess my motherboard will be the limiting factor. Current specs:

Maybe starting with better GPU, then CPU, then Memory. Don't mind secondhand either.

Board: Z170 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A12)
CPU: i7-6700K
GPU: Geforce GTX1070
Memory: 8GB x 2 / 2400 MHZ

No point in upgrading that.

Just get a new system and sell the old one. Keep the GPU.

 

[tetrasect]

Also from Alderon Games
intel-crashes

The part just below the one you quoted seems to be the most damning:

Over the last 3–4 months, we have observed that CPUs initially working well deteriorate over time, eventually failing. The failure rate we have observed from our own testing is nearly 100%, indicating it's only a matter of time before affected CPUs fail.

 

[Intox]

The part just below the one you quoted seems to be the most damning:

Indeed, at this stage I wouldn't be buying or recommending anyone buy a 13900 or 14900, something is not right.

I am guessing most players who experience infrequent crashes don't even know it's the CPU causing it, they likely are thinking it's the game that's buggy.
Now that game devs are starting to go public with their crash data and the media picking up on it, those players are going to start logging RMAs, curious to see how Intel handles this.

 

[tetrasect]

Indeed, at this stage I wouldn't be buying or recommending anyone buy a 13900 or 14900, something is not right.

I am guessing most players who experience infrequent crashes don't even know it's the CPU causing it, they likely are thinking it's the game that's buggy.
Now that game devs are starting to go public with their crash data and the media picking up on it, those players are going to start logging RMAs, curious to see how Intel handles this.

Pretty scary stuff... looks like it's not just the 13900 but all the 13th gen down to the 13600K.

2 million failing CPUs at just one company.

AMD must be smiling right now.

 

[Intox]

And there it is, officially confirmed by Intel, they is currently targeting mid-August for a microcode update.

Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.

Separately there was a manufacturing defect in 2023 which has been fixed.

Long answer: We can confirm that the via Oxidation manufacturing issue affected some early Intel Core 13th Gen desktop processors. However, the issue was root caused and addressed with manufacturing improvements and screens in 2023. We have also looked at it from the instability reports on Intel Core 13th Gen desktop processors and the analysis to-date has determined that only a small number of instability reports can be connected to the manufacturing issue.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1e9mf04/intel_core_13th14th_gen_desktop_processors