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netstrider said:
It should still work but may not necessarily overclock.
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Nah Im leaving it out lol. My other PC uses an Asrock X570 Steel Legend motherboard. Which this RAM will work in at least. It has G-Skill Ripjaws in it at the moment. Anyway im just relieved as hell. You okes have been so damn helpful!
 
Jer1cho said:
Nah Im leaving it out lol. My other PC uses an Asrock X570 Steel Legend motherboard. Which this RAM will work in at least. It has G-Skill Ripjaws in it at the moment. Anyway im just relieved as hell. You okes have been so damn helpful!
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Ripjaws work with AM4 quite nicely actually, have had them before. Only Aegis I've seen working were the 3000mhz ones.
Though the 550 series does have better memory management.
 
Oh, so the 48Gb mix guy was you, I forgot. I never page back on forums.

See if you gave us that IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL error yesterday then we could have told you immediately it was your RAM.

Don't mix. And don't get 64Gb. Just get a 32Gb kit. Slot 2 and 4. XMP 2.

And I don't know whether you did or not already but remember to update your chipset drivers as well.
 
Rayne said:
Oh, so the 48Gb mix guy was you, I forgot. I never page back on forums.

See if you gave us that IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL error yesterday then we could have told you immediately it was your RAM.

Don't mix. And don't get 64Gb. Just get a 32Gb kit. Slot 2 and 4. XMP 2.

And I don't know whether you did or not already but remember to update your chipset drivers as well.
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Definitely advisable to stick to 2 sticks, if you want 64 by 2 32s
 
Rayne said:
Oh, so the 48Gb mix guy was you, I forgot. I never page back on forums.

See if you gave us that IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL error yesterday then we could have told you immediately it was your RAM.

Don't mix. And don't get 64Gb. Just get a 32Gb kit. Slot 2 and 4. XMP 2.

And I don't know whether you did or not already but remember to update your chipset drivers as well.
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Troubleshooting is always a mission with half the info. I did ask yesterday for the rest of the system, might have missed that post.

But yeah ram is so iffy these days, once I selected the board I wanted I made sure the XPG lancers, were supported modules.

Jer1cho​

You can always sell those modules on carbonite.co.za or bobshop, but honestly I would hold onto them for a bit DDR4 prices has gone up considerably, likely to go up a bit more scarcity of DDR4 is only increasing and people are panic buying. DDR 4 is expected to triple in price. Selling those modules next year could net you a tidy profit.

Not that I support scalping, but if you intend to get new ram, it may help it hurt a little less.
 
wizardofid said:
Troubleshooting is always a mission with half the info. I did ask yesterday for the rest of the system, might have missed that post.

But yeah ram is so iffy these days, once I selected the board I wanted I made sure the XPG lancers, were supported modules.

Jer1cho​

You can always sell those modules on carbonite.co.za or bobshop, but honestly I would hold onto them for a bit DDR4 prices has gone up considerably, likely to go up a bit more scarcity of DDR4 is only increasing and people are panic buying. DDR 4 is expected to triple in price. Selling those modules next year could net you a tidy profit.

Not that I support scalping, but if you intend to get new ram, it may help it hurt a little less.
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Yeah it's either that, or I must just buy a new MOBO. Like a B550 or X570 or whatever I can find. Anyway im just helluva relieved now. Calling it moron tax that I wasted lol.
 
Jer1cho said:
Yeah it's either that, or I must just buy a new MOBO. Like a B550 or X570 or whatever I can find. Anyway im just helluva relieved now. Calling it moron tax that I wasted lol.
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Buying another AM 4 board would be another moron tax. I carefully selected my current upgrade, and weighed the pros and cons. A DDR 4 setup worked out cheaper on the AM 4 platform, but then it means I can't reuse the DDR 4 ram again if I upgrade.

Which is why I said fck it, and went DDR 5 it ain't cheap just over 2k for 32gig ram, but if I decide to upgrade in the next 2 years again, I don't have to shell out for ram again. DDR 6 is expected only in 2027 possibly 2028 for commercial use.

The cheaper DDR 4 system didn't make sense, nor did AM 4 in the end, AM 5 would have been fine, but I needed the extra cores on the intel 14th gen, rather than gaming performance of AMD
 
Nah, we've all been there at some point or another.

This is unfortunately the price you pay for PC gaming.

When its good its good and when its bad, well, its timely and costly.

/ Yeah DDR production is ending soon any day now and after that its second hand market only. Buy now as once production stops you are going to pay double.
 
Rayne said:
Nah, we've all been there at some point or another.

This is unfortunately the price you pay for PC gaming.

When its good its good and when its bad, well, its timely and costly.

/ Yeah DDR production is ending soon any day now and after that its second hand market only. Buy now as once production stops you are going to pay double.
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Will have to wait and see, till the next disaster hits manufacturing. Since 2010 it has been one fck up after another. Just waiting for the next typhoon or earthquake or covid 2.0 to hit.
 
wizardofid said:
Will have to wait and see, till the next disaster hits manufacturing. Since 2010 it has been one fck up after another. Just waiting for the next typhoon or earthquake or covid 2.0 to hit.
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Yeah when I initially bought my RAM way back in 2019, it was 2999 for 16GB. Frikkin nasty. So far, this is the only place I can find the same RAM, but a 32GB kit. I might buy it, and sell both my 16GB and this new 32GB. That should make up the cost hopefully.

www.rebeltech.co.za

CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO 32GB Kit DDR4-3200 CL16 1.35v CMW32GX4M2E3200C16 Desktop Memory

32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 (PC4-25600) CL16 1.35v RGB Lighting
www.rebeltech.co.za www.rebeltech.co.za
 
Not sure if people do this or not but I want to know if it is viable. Is it worth buying the latest card mid - high end then sell it and buy a new card every year.

My thinking you cough up once like 16-20k for a card and then when the new cards come out sell with a 4k loss on the card and buy a new one.

You always keep up to date with new tech and it costs 4k a year rather than 20k every 5 years. Still the same cost but it eases the burden of the big whack.

Thoughts or anyone that does this? Also do the cards hold enough value etc.
 
Scary_Turtle said:
Not sure if people do this or not but I want to know if it is viable. Is it worth buying the latest card mid - high end then sell it and buy a new card every year.

My thinking you cough up once like 16-20k for a card and then when the new cards come out sell with a 4k loss on the card and buy a new one.

You always keep up to date with new tech and it costs 4k a year rather than 20k every 5 years. Still the same cost but it eases the burden of the big whack.

Thoughts or anyone that does this? Also do the cards hold enough value etc.
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High end cards are 40 too 60k, mid to high end are closer to 20k. I mean you could do that, but it's rather silly to be honest.
Plus you end up spending 20k in 5 years anyway with maybe marginal increases yearly.
 
Lupus said:
High end cards are 40 too 60k, mid to high end are closer to 20k. I mean you could do that, but it's rather silly to be honest.
Plus you end up spending 20k in 5 years anyway with maybe marginal increases yearly.
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I did say mid to high end, I have a 9070xt I would be replacing it with a theoretical 10070xt for instance.

Why would it be silly you always have the latest shaders, frame rate, dlss/fsr etc and doesn't cost anymore or less. Would just be a sell one day and card arrives a day or 2 later once a year.
 
Scary_Turtle said:
Why would it be silly you always have the latest shaders, frame rate, dlss/fsr etc and doesn't cost anymore or less. Would just be a sell one day and card arrives a day or 2 later once a year.
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You also get all the teething issues
 
Scary_Turtle said:
I did say mid to high end, I have a 9070xt I would be replacing it with a theoretical 10070xt for instance.
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Scary_Turtle said:
Why would it be silly you always have the latest shaders, frame rate, dlss/fsr etc and doesn't cost anymore or less. Would just be a sell one day and card arrives a day or 2 later once a year.
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Not really, DX12 API has been around for 10 years and only recently updated to DX 12 ultimate. Current shader model 6.8, it is supported in at least 3 previous generations. DX12 is a long term API and there is no definitive word whether it will be updated to DX13 anytime soon.

With the current average game development cycle of 4–5 years a game, game studios lock down a specific version of the engine they are using to be able to support a larger sample base of hardware and features. It is unlikely they will exclusively support a new shader model only and generally support multiple shader models, it will have a min supported shader model.

In other words, you have nothing to gain from upgrading to every generation, other than burn a hole in your wallet, every 3rd generation is a lot more practical, and gains to be had will be more substantial.

Additionally, GPU and chip shortages are coming to an end and the secondhand market will also cover at some point too. In theory secondhand GPUs should depreciate a lot more compared to what it is now. It is artificially higher than it should be, thanks to the AI GPU race. Lots of dedicated AI chips are in development and there should be a marked down turn in AI GPU demand in 2026 and should see it stabilise somewhere next year.

Which could see the market flooded with GPUs as the sell-off starts. Once that starts happening, boy you better have your wallet ready, it will be a fire sale of note.

Miners are still trying to get rid of GPUs and recoup costs and in some cases, many miners have entirely dumped their hardware in the e waste trash bins, which just added to supply issues in the GPU market.

A good guess would be another 2 years of supply issues and for the secondhand market to recover. So new and secondhand prices should at some point return to normal levels again. In other words, you would be lucky to get more than 60% selling your GPU after a year and 40% in two.

CPUs have mostly stayed consistent, with maybe a slight increase in prices on the secondhand market.

GPU's have been selling at their MSRP a lot more often in recent months as well.

So yeah, I wouldn't bet on being able to recoup a lot, in future.
 
wizardofid said:
Not really, DX12 API has been around for 10 years and only recently updated to DX 12 ultimate. Current shader model 6.8, it is supported in at least 3 previous generations. DX12 is a long term API and there is no definitive word whether it will be updated to DX13 anytime soon.

With the current average game development cycle of 4–5 years a game, game studios lock down a specific version of the engine they are using to be able to support a larger sample base of hardware and features. It is unlikely they will exclusively support a new shader model only and generally support multiple shader models, it will have a min supported shader model.

In other words, you have nothing to gain from upgrading to every generation, other than burn a hole in your wallet, every 3rd generation is a lot more practical, and gains to be had will be more substantial.

Additionally, GPU and chip shortages are coming to an end and the secondhand market will also cover at some point too. In theory secondhand GPUs should depreciate a lot more compared to what it is now. It is artificially higher than it should be, thanks to the AI GPU race. Lots of dedicated AI chips are in development and there should be a marked down turn in AI GPU demand in 2026 and should see it stabilise somewhere next year.

Which could see the market flooded with GPUs as the sell-off starts. Once that starts happening, boy you better have your wallet ready, it will be a fire sale of note.

Miners are still trying to get rid of GPUs and recoup costs and in some cases, many miners have entirely dumped their hardware in the e waste trash bins, which just added to supply issues in the GPU market.

A good guess would be another 2 years of supply issues and for the secondhand market to recover. So new and secondhand prices should at some point return to normal levels again. In other words, you would be lucky to get more than 60% selling your GPU after a year and 40% in two.

CPUs have mostly stayed consistent, with maybe a slight increase in prices on the secondhand market.

GPU's have been selling at their MSRP a lot more often in recent months as well.

So yeah, I wouldn't bet on being able to recoup a lot, in future.
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Just take my 9070 for example 14k when it released, now 12k brand new. Meaning I would take a bigger loss on resale
 
Lupus said:
Just take my 9070 for example 14k when it released, now 12k brand new. Meaning I would take a bigger loss on resale
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Either way, fool-money-parted and all that. Even with, nvidia has seen a 50 dollar dip in price for the 5060 and 5070 below MSRP. 9070 dipped 100$ below MSRP.

8 gig gpus for nvidia and amd is drying up as most have stopped making them as consumers aren't buying due to lack of vram. with 1440p requiring at least 10 gig and becoming the industry standard, and esports norm.

The brain farts Nvidia/amd has to keep peddling low vram cards blows my mind. Lots of gamers want to run games natively, especially esports titles, none of them want the graphics mess of AI frame generation.

About a year and a half ago, I already mentioned 8gig isn't enough, and called various things because of it. Turns out I was right lol.
 
Was busy packing away all the upgrade boxes and happen to come across the manual for the new screen. I suspected the website information to be incorrect. The manual has the screen response time at 5ms. But neither the manual nor the user manual mentions the monitor has freesync in the product description. if the 5ms response from the manual is to believed, which I strongly do it makes this monitor even better value for money.

It isn't a generic booklet it is specific to this monitor, as the rest of the specs check out. Emailed wootware to get the exact specs. 14ms response time for an IPS panel did sound a little strange.



wootvision.jpg
 
wizardofid said:
Not really, DX12 API has been around for 10 years and only recently updated to DX 12 ultimate. Current shader model 6.8, it is supported in at least 3 previous generations. DX12 is a long term API and there is no definitive word whether it will be updated to DX13 anytime soon.

With the current average game development cycle of 4–5 years a game, game studios lock down a specific version of the engine they are using to be able to support a larger sample base of hardware and features. It is unlikely they will exclusively support a new shader model only and generally support multiple shader models, it will have a min supported shader model.

In other words, you have nothing to gain from upgrading to every generation, other than burn a hole in your wallet, every 3rd generation is a lot more practical, and gains to be had will be more substantial.

Additionally, GPU and chip shortages are coming to an end and the secondhand market will also cover at some point too. In theory secondhand GPUs should depreciate a lot more compared to what it is now. It is artificially higher than it should be, thanks to the AI GPU race. Lots of dedicated AI chips are in development and there should be a marked down turn in AI GPU demand in 2026 and should see it stabilise somewhere next year.

Which could see the market flooded with GPUs as the sell-off starts. Once that starts happening, boy you better have your wallet ready, it will be a fire sale of note.

Miners are still trying to get rid of GPUs and recoup costs and in some cases, many miners have entirely dumped their hardware in the e waste trash bins, which just added to supply issues in the GPU market.

A good guess would be another 2 years of supply issues and for the secondhand market to recover. So new and secondhand prices should at some point return to normal levels again. In other words, you would be lucky to get more than 60% selling your GPU after a year and 40% in two.

CPUs have mostly stayed consistent, with maybe a slight increase in prices on the secondhand market.

GPU's have been selling at their MSRP a lot more often in recent months as well.

So yeah, I wouldn't bet on being able to recoup a lot, in future.
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I get the first part but you wouldn't be burning a hole in your pocket at 4k a year you would be spreading the burden instead of dropping 20k every 5 years.

I dunno people have been saying the same thing since 2016 the market will stabilize and it hasn't. I see AMD was chatting about the 2nm chip which will again cause a chip shortages. Also both AMD and Nvidia are doing slow releases to push up prices

At this stage I bought the 9070xt for 16k and will sell it easy at 13k-14k and you would have got a massive increase from fsr3 to fsr4. If fsr Redstone is the same jump paying 4k may be worth it.

Going to see how the market and tech holds out going into next year and make up my mind then.
 
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