New wisp's

Thanks for the constructive input daffy!

As I have said earlier - we have over the past 6 weeks been rebuilding the physical network to the RF standards that the new team has introduced, and not rolling out on a big scale until we have addressed the types of issues you mention.

We joined a train that was already rolling and threatening to become a runaway - we've managed to bring it largely back under control, but worms keep popping out as the RF guys become more familiar with wireless networks. Our new addition (the IS/DiData security guy) has been tasked with exactly that - to get the network working as it should in the most efficient and secure way he can.

We want to operate under as high a standard as we can, but there is lots to fix until we're 'world class'. The existing clients are already reporting much more consistant and reliable service than before we joined, so we feel we're on the right track.
 
If you guys ever need any help. I've set up a few Wireless ISP's in my time.
Drop me a line if you need anything.. I have a big bag of tricks and solutions to most of the problems that you'll pick up.
 
I was just browsing the prevous page......SAWIRELESS.......at least WEBINTACT have a working webpage, not a S#*T one that Tells you stuff all about your S#itty service, and customer support.
 
Eish - can't keep up with the up & down of the site... The new one's almost done, so please don't take all you read on the current www.webintact.com site as gospel! Prices and grammar are much improved!

:cool:
 
well web intract, I applause your patience with alot of threads(?) and remarks so far, seems like you guys do stay on the mental bar when faced with these issues. Good thing indeed.
 
Gig

Hi All

We have built a solution that does not rely on standard wireless equipment. It does not have all the "bridging" needed for the user to connect. We also have an internal unit that ranges between +-50 with wall interference and up to a few hundred metres with line of site. And an external with best outputaround 100 to 200 m and said to work up to 1,5 KM but there is no point in testing it. We found 200 meters to be more than adequate.

And it works. If you interested in reselling our solution with less hiccups post a reply or send me a private message, and we can look at the area you want to cover and work together on this. Its all above board and is awaiting launch of the details from our Minister.

***d luck with standard wireless.
 
Clipse said:
well web intract, I applause your patience with alot of threads(?) and remarks so far, seems like you guys do stay on the mental bar when faced with these issues. Good thing indeed.
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Thank you - I'll take that as a compliment!

:cool:
 
Yes. Well done on the standard wireless solution. I am glad to see you got it working, it can be a real pain. Keep it up...
 
Gig said:
Hi All

We have built a solution that does not rely on standard wireless equipment. It does not have all the "bridging" needed for the user to connect. We also have an internal unit that ranges between +-50 with wall interference and up to a few hundred metres with line of site. And an external with best outputaround 100 to 200 m and said to work up to 1,5 KM but there is no point in testing it. We found 200 meters to be more than adequate.

And it works. If you interested in reselling our solution with less hiccups post a reply or send me a private message, and we can look at the area you want to cover and work together on this. Its all above board and is awaiting launch of the details from our Minister.

***d luck with standard wireless.
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So what part of this can't you do with 50-100mW usb adapters and usb extension cables?
 
AP vs Gateway - the standoff

Tunasashimi said:
So what part of this can't you do with 50-100mW usb adapters and usb extension cables?
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Tunasashimi - This is a question that comes up so frequently that I sometimes forget that people dont see what the equipment can do.
Basically, yes, adapters with APs, bridging connections, other APs, etc could do a similar thing. But, not quiet the same.

The question I pose is this - how do you connect someone 500 metres, 1000 metre, 2000 metres to the internet without line of site, a second AP, any bridge connections or external or large antenna or anything or the sort? If you can do that with standard usb adapters without extension cables then you got it sorted. Dont forget that all users on the network need to be transparent and not have an IP address added into their network settings to connect.
As an add-on you need to make the system so easy any dumb user can use it. Let them order, you deliver it and leave them to install. And they on the Internet in less than 2 minutes, in fact around 30 to 40 seconds without any technical assistance, then you got it right.
when you can do this then its possible that you could do what this product can do.

As part of our testing we have found the following areas to be our biggest problem:

1. Power outages (resolved by a bigger UPS)
2. Server bugs (resolved)
3. cable Connection issues
4. Antenna failure

There is little on the client side that causes a problem. When building this network to compare apples with apples and not fruit with fruit, remember the following:

1. No external antennas (unless in extreme cases on occassion)
2. simple dumb user systems that work on all platforms
3. forget software security and networking - its bound to cause problems
4. Capping and usage tracking
5. Firewalled
6. Plug and play client solution, no setup software or the like
7. Free roaming within the area, no bars on where you are
8. no bridges connections or internlinked APs
9. consistent connectivity to the Internet
10. MAC addresses not to be used for security or connectivity

These are the simple rules we used to build the system. I may stand corrected but I dont think wireless networking equipment can do much of this without security, performance or the like becoming a problem

Good Luck and thanks for the question
 
Aerosat is not exactly an new WISP in South Africa, but it is a good one. I have buying my band width from them for quite a while. They have also looked after me quite nicely with regards to service. I had a couple of problems in the begining and they were quite help full in assisting me with
some of them.

Guys if you need some help or are situated in the Port Elizabeth region
give them a call. See the web address below for their contact details
 
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Gig said:
Tunasashimi - This is a question that comes up so frequently that I sometimes forget that people dont see what the equipment can do.
Basically, yes, adapters with APs, bridging connections, other APs, etc could do a similar thing. But, not quiet the same.

The question I pose is this - how do you connect someone 500 metres, 1000 metre, 2000 metres to the internet without line of site, a second AP, any bridge connections or external or large antenna or anything or the sort? If you can do that with standard usb adapters without extension cables then you got it sorted. Dont forget that all users on the network need to be transparent and not have an IP address added into their network settings to connect.
As an add-on you need to make the system so easy any dumb user can use it. Let them order, you deliver it and leave them to install. And they on the Internet in less than 2 minutes, in fact around 30 to 40 seconds without any technical assistance, then you got it right.
when you can do this then its possible that you could do what this product can do.

As part of our testing we have found the following areas to be our biggest problem:

1. Power outages (resolved by a bigger UPS)
2. Server bugs (resolved)
3. cable Connection issues
4. Antenna failure

There is little on the client side that causes a problem. When building this network to compare apples with apples and not fruit with fruit, remember the following:

1. No external antennas (unless in extreme cases on occassion)
2. simple dumb user systems that work on all platforms
3. forget software security and networking - its bound to cause problems
4. Capping and usage tracking
5. Firewalled
6. Plug and play client solution, no setup software or the like
7. Free roaming within the area, no bars on where you are
8. no bridges connections or internlinked APs
9. consistent connectivity to the Internet
10. MAC addresses not to be used for security or connectivity

These are the simple rules we used to build the system. I may stand corrected but I dont think wireless networking equipment can do much of this without security, performance or the like becoming a problem

Good Luck and thanks for the question
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Isn't this product based on WDS option? If so then it is a normal AP.

By the way, have you seen the rubber-ducks with 500mwatt built-in amps :)

believe with it you can link your whole complex without external antennas or WDS.


Cheers
 
Do the maths!

Okay lets compare two senarios. Somebody has a computer but no internet! They need 24/7 and have a budget of say R500 p/month.

Okay option one: WISP

Cost to install +/- R2000
Cost per month for 128 +/- R500

Okay option two: DSL192

Cost to install +/- R800 (telkom + router)
Cost per month for 192 +/- R500 (3g + 30g local)

The conclusion is that after my experience and there is no better wisps (excluding the "legal ones") that is better value than ADSL. DSL has much lower ping times, less network congestion and is more reliable.

If you want to go the WISPs route be my guest. But eventually you'll be on DSL!
 
daysleeper - you right with the WISP vs ADSL but it does depending what the WISP offers. but WISP is a good alterative if you in a non ADSL area.

The other place where i believe that WISPs can be used (if the WISP is up to it) is for the person that has to be connected 24/7 but very low bandwidth.
the WISP i use has an offering of R300 per month. the package is for none business hours. So it works well for the person going home and surfing and emailing with no huge downloads.

but you are right at the end of the day most people end up with ADSL if they can get it in there area after Telkom says you can't get it but you nextdoor neighbour can and they further away from the exchange. anyways lets not go there.
 
If you're paying R500 for a WISP service in a DSL area, you're paying way too much.

You should expect around R300 for a 128K/4g avg and R500 for an uncapped connection in DSL areas, more in non-DSL areas.

reliability is a known issue on wireless, though...
 
"reliability is a known issue on wireless, though..."

true.... but the stories that have be coming out rescently about ADSL outages leave a lotto be desired. but I guess Telkom leaves a lot to me desired.

Micro Wave - Whatever you paying as long as you feel you getting your moneys worth then I belive it's fine. problem is I don't think one person on this forum feels they getting there moneys worth from telkom or any internet connect because of telkom
 
skydog said:
"reliability is a known issue on wireless, though..."

true.... but the stories that have be coming out rescently about ADSL outages leave a lotto be desired. but I guess Telkom leaves a lot to me desired.
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Not true - reliability is an issue when deployed in unlicensed band(s) or where an isp deploys licensed band equipment but does poor radio planning and having poor link budgets.
 
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