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No ID book? No cell number
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If you look at the bit I quoted above it would seem that all - including existing - sim cards will need to be registered. Also mentioned here - http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=2711Skip said:
If memory serves another article said unregistered cards would be cancelled after a certain time (presumably soon after the July 1 2007 deadline).
bwana v.11 said:
I highly doubt his will happen. C'mon this is South Africa, people miss the cut off when registering something vital like their drivers licence do you think that they are going to suddenly spring to attention for a sim card? And let's not forget that pre-paid cell phones account for I think 80-90% of cell phones out there I don't think the cell co's are going to cut off a major chunk of revenue.
ajax
Executive Member
Skip said:
Yup, it will be in the cell companies' best interests to keep people connected for as long as possible. I think what they will probably do is offer incentives for early registering, like free sms bundles or airtime.
This is the government telling a company they have to comply. Drivers licenses were a case of another ministry asking for an extension.Skip said:
Just look at the banks - sure they were given an extension but at the end of the day all their clients had to prove their address or the account was closed.
If the law says the cellphone operator has to disconnect unregistered subscribers then they'll have to despite what they want to do.
Wouldn't call it anything else!!kilo39 said:I have zero trust of these "regulations" - so open to abuse by gub or anybody who has access. Will we ever have another "free" election - I doubt it? Call it was it is: a return to the Police State.
You mean I am going to have to buy an ID book?
As we all know the major criminals in the country would never resort to using fake indentification or using their current phones without registering. Although an active, unregistered number might draw suspicion of course.
While the intent of fighting crime is good on the face of it there is no evidence these measures will make any difference, nevermind a major one. When passing these police state laws the government should be required to offer concrete targets for crime reduction. If they fail the law is repealed. And they must be required to definitively link any reduction in crime to the specific measures taken. We could go further and have those responsible become liable for any harm done while the law is in force. Make real consequences for failure, otherwise they'll pass these laws at random hoping at least one will have a positive influence. I mean make the individuals who voted for the law liable, not the government as an institution. Let's see how strongly these individuals believe the claims they're making.
The correct public response to this law would be to start hoarding numbers before the deadline, and to refuse to register your number(s) afterwards.
As we all know the major criminals in the country would never resort to using fake indentification or using their current phones without registering. Although an active, unregistered number might draw suspicion of course.
While the intent of fighting crime is good on the face of it there is no evidence these measures will make any difference, nevermind a major one. When passing these police state laws the government should be required to offer concrete targets for crime reduction. If they fail the law is repealed. And they must be required to definitively link any reduction in crime to the specific measures taken. We could go further and have those responsible become liable for any harm done while the law is in force. Make real consequences for failure, otherwise they'll pass these laws at random hoping at least one will have a positive influence. I mean make the individuals who voted for the law liable, not the government as an institution. Let's see how strongly these individuals believe the claims they're making.
The correct public response to this law would be to start hoarding numbers before the deadline, and to refuse to register your number(s) afterwards.
bwana v.11 said:
Actually there were ways to avoid handing in your documentation. Still the FICA nonsense was extended repeatedly.
FICA is being contravened right now. Somewhere there is a professional at this very minute making a mockery of another law that merely inconveniences ordinary people and allows the government to pretend they're 'doing something'. If they want to do something they can go hang themselves. Much more practical.
noxibox said:
Great post and good points! I'm sure I read this whole thing (number registration, cell monitoring) was instigated by SARS? This is about random spying and knowing who made the calls. But it is so open to abuse by government - want to know the dissenting voices - look it up! Want to know who slept with whom? Look it up! Etc. We just don't need all this legislation - why not DO something with the 10 0001 laws that have already been written?
/edit/to me this is not about criminals - it is about ultimate political control.
Debbie
Banned
This is the reason I have 3 active SIM cards at present. Never know when pre-paid anonymity is going to come in handy.