No more Linux

ocleroux said:
urm...I think Ubuntu is pretty much ready for the masses. I have been using linux for almost two years now...Ubuntu and Mint briefly. For a user like me, that just wants to do some browzing and watch some movies and MP3's etc...Ubuntu is 100%. I ran the setup disc and everything worked 100%. Just had to download the driver for my Nvidia graphics and download the libs for avi and dvd playback. Linux Mint even comes preinstalled with those.

Whether the masses is ready for Ubuntu/Mint is another question :D
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I'm using Karmic as my primary OS and I'm very happy at the moment, would be super stoked if I had a Mac as well. As for Windows, I just can't justify the price - R1k+ just seems ridiculous when you can download better OS's off the internet for free (i.e. linux distro). If MS dropped their prices by say 50%, that might be acceptable. MS Office too, the full fledged version is over R3k! I use open office - it works great.
 
As much fun as I've had over the years working with Linux Desktops and how far Ubuntu has come, I still wouldn't recommend it to a non technical person who doesn't have direct access to free support (i.e a family member).

Simply not enough polish.
 
I beg to differ. If I can do it, then any peophol with 2 brain cells can do it. If you can find free porn on the net - show me one guy that does not know how to do that - then you can damn well find free support on the net for ubuntu/mint. When I first installed Ubuntu it did not have the "my computer" and "trash" icons on my desktop...so i googled "trash can on ubuntu desktop" and ta-da! Gave me the answer in the first result that came up. Took me 1 minute to do.
 
I was, in fact downloading a few hundred megabytes a day - it was annoying.
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I suppose this is possible, if you have a setup a lot of PPA's with daily updates. The daily Chromium update is 10mb alone. But then you don't have to run a bunch of alpha releases.

Seems like something must have been setup incorrectly to be downloading so much daily. I maybe d/l 50-80mb per week.
 
It depends icyrus. Years ago, 6 years+, I installed Linux Mandrake on a PC and gave it to a granny, 75 at the time, to use. She never had any PC and was not Windows brain washed and she used it without any problems.
we only showed her how to double click and what to click if she wanted email and word processor and off she went.

My daughter is 5 years old and she had her own PC since she was 3, first Arch Linux and now Kubuntu, and the lovely thing of Linux is she never once could trash the OS, she sometimes had so many applications running, clicking on everything and whatnot, but not once did I have to reinstall the OS because she trashed it.
She went through a couple of DVD drives but Linux just chucks along.
Try that with any other OS.

Okay, the last one does not count, she has a Linux fanatic for a dad.
:(
 
ocleroux said:
I beg to differ. If I can do it, then any peophol with 2 brain cells can do it. If you can find free porn on the net - show me one guy that does not know how to do that - then you can damn well find free support on the net for ubuntu/mint. When I first installed Ubuntu it did not have the "my computer" and "trash" icons on my desktop...so i googled "trash can on ubuntu desktop" and ta-da! Gave me the answer in the first result that came up. Took me 1 minute to do.
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Most people have zero interest or tolerance in debugging their software themselves.

I haven't used linux as a primary desktop for a while but despite over 6 previous years of daily use I still found the newest gnome release to be a giant pain. It has gotten significantly better, but it is still not on par with Windows or OS X for an average desktop.

Linux's power and where it really shines is the level of customization an advanced user can achieve.
 
MyWorld said:
It depends icyrus. Years ago, 6 years+, I installed Linux Mandrake on a PC and gave it to a granny, 75 at the time, to use. She never had any PC and was not Windows brain washed and she used it without any problems.
we only showed her how to double click and what to click if she wanted email and word processor and off she went.
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No doubt. A person with no prior expectations of a PC would be very happy using a linux desktop.

MyWorld said:
My daughter is 5 years old and she had her own PC since she was 3, first Arch Linux and now Kubuntu, and the lovely thing of Linux is she never once could trash the OS, she sometimes had so many applications running, clicking on everything and whatnot, but not once did I have to reinstall the OS because she trashed it.
She went through a couple of DVD drives but Linux just chucks along.
Try that with any other OS.

Okay, the last one does not count, she has a Linux fanatic for a dad.
:(
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Stability and security wise linux is great. That's why we use it for all our servers/services.

The DE scene is too fragmented and too dominated by developers rather than designers.
 
icyrus said:
Linux's power and where it really shines is the level of customization an advanced user can achieve.
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+1

If you don't like it, you can strip it out and replace it with something YOU prefer. Be it your WM/DE/login manager/Kernel/bla bla bla. Its one of the main reasons I use it. I make it work for me, the way I want to.

P.S, if you guys don't like Gnome, but don't want KDE, then use XFCE. I've started using it as my primary DE on both my netbook and desktop and I love it to bits.
 
I can't live without Compiz anymore. When I run Windows, it really sucks having 7 less desktops to work on:P
 
And I have zero tolerance for a OS that you have to reinstall every damn 6 months cause it has slowed down to a crawel. If you wanna fork out hard earned cash for that then cool...that is your choice. My choice is getting my OS for free (a more stable one, and one that stays snappy no matter how long it has been installed for, getting my office suite free and lots of other goodies for free in the software centre.)

But if you prefer Windows then thats cool. Whatever blows your hair back :-)
 
Even the Ubuntu wallpapers are getting better with every release! :p

I'm using the ''shoes.jpg'' as my Vista Business wallpaper. Love it.
 
ocleroux said:
And I have zero tolerance for a OS that you have to reinstall every damn 6 months cause it has slowed down to a crawel. If you wanna fork out hard earned cash for that then cool...that is your choice. My choice is getting my OS for free (a more stable one, and one that stays snappy no matter how long it has been installed for, getting my office suite free and lots of other goodies for free in the software centre.)

But if you prefer Windows then thats cool. Whatever blows your hair back :-)
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I don't prefer Windows and wouldn't dream of using it over a Linux desktop, but I am not an ordinary user. I have more than enough time and experience to customize a linux install to exactly how I want it, but like I said I wouldn't recommend it to the average person.

What does speak volumes for me though is that I traded my highly customized linux install for OS X just over 3 and half years ago and haven't regretted a day.
 
icyrus said:
I don't prefer Windows and wouldn't dream of using it over a Linux desktop, but I am not an ordinary user. I have more than enough time and experience to customize a linux install to exactly how I want it, but like I said I wouldn't recommend it to the average person.

What does speak volumes for me though is that I traded my highly customized linux install for OS X just over 3 and half years ago and haven't regretted a day.
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Have heard many good things about OS X...but checked last night the hacintosh website...spent all but 5 seconds scrolling through .... now if you talking about hassle then that is something I would not recommend.
 
kingrob said:
LOL.....SlinkyMike just gave me a good laugh!!

I'm running Bugzilla on an Ubuntu 9.10 workstation + a Zimbra server on another one. And it has been ROCK SOLID since day 1. Oh, and another Ubuntu 9.10 workstation running a MySQL database....also nothing to report + I am running it as my desktop OS, stable since day 1.

SO....SlinkyMike.....you are absolutely talking through your ass.
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Well obviously your experience <> to my experience...

I was constantly downloading updates to just about everything - this annoyed me how can I be offsides stating that simple fact???

Was I not annoyed by it? It certainly felt that way - I should know... IT WAS ME!

My god you dudes really are blinded by your brand loyalty - this is just a failure of logic on your part, get it through your head - I am not dissing Linux, I LIKE IT!!! It is not for the masses though and it has some annoying quirks - you have all agreed on that point countless times... sheesh!

MyWorld said:
Touchy, and I'm not your pal.

So I'm correct in stating that 200Mbx30x2years then? /sarcasm

What did you expect from an OS, to not update? Do Mac not update their OS? Or applications?
From you original post, like many observed, you came across as a troll, weak guy (I can name call as well, see).

My comparison with Windows vs Linux Ubuntu stands and you fail to grasp the basic message I was trying to portray with that comparison, that is why I said:


And yes, there are a few of us who did the release upgrade successfully, it was discussed here a month or so ago why it may fail, but like you said, Linux will never ever be for masses, and that is fine, if you do not want to search, read and learn then Linux is not for you, like you yourself said in your original post.

milomak summed it upvery nicely in another thread:


Oh and I have a right to stand on my little soap box, this is the Linux section of the forums and I AM a Linux fanboy, so there.
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So basically: your apples to oranges comparison was in fact ridiculous and you agree with me that Linux is not for the masses yet.

...why do you protest in agreement?

Your fanboyism eats itself dude - dial it back a notch, you might start making sense.
 
Well most of my clients all run Pastel and Accpac, there goes Linux totally.
 
Aqua_lung said:
I've been using a dualboot setup(Win and Linux) on my main PC but now that I've got a second display connected to my Macbook I have made my Linux redundant, my macbook with OSX will take over since it too is a stable redundant system. OSX is best suited for the Mac so I won't install linux on it(tried it)

So I won't be seeing much of Linux for the forceable future.

I'll be in the Mac section manning my foxhole for the winblows fanbois who intrude. :D
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Thank Gawd, one less Windoze predator! :D
 
SlinkyMike said:
Yea... goodbye 200mb+ updates daily; goodbye unsupported everything; goodbye endless hunt for drivers; goodbye exhaustive list of desktop mnagers nd all of their disparate and overlapping themes etc; goodbye trawling forums to get a soundcard to work (even Windows manages that right out of the box.)

Linux on the desktop is a fun hobby but once the spinning cubeneymoon wears off the warts start to show.
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You clearly had either fail hardware or a fail linux!
I have never had an issue with anything on linux.
 
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