Nokia N70 [on Vodacom]

LandyMan said:
Thats what Nokia/Exactmobile told him as well.

I have learnt though that they will always tell you the phone needs a software upgrade if you say something is wrong. 2 upgrades on my 6680 helped jack ****

True, I call it the MS syndrome (Don't know what's causing your problem, so do an upgrade and pray the bug goes away...)

But in this case we actually recommend this upgrade to fix this specific problem. We also found it and checked the new version and it does fix it.
 
vodacom3g said:
True, I call it the MS syndrome (Don't know what's causing your problem, so do an upgrade and pray the bug goes away...)

But in this case we actually recommend this upgrade to fix this specific problem. We also found it and checked the new version and it does fix it.


My N70 with the old software had the same issue - the new software fixes it. Have not had the AP list come up since using the new software - so yea, it does sort it out. :)
 
Software upgrades are a joke. Went to Nokia at Vodaworld (with my 6680 and my brothers N70) for a soft upgrade. When we got our phones back it had all the ghastly Vodafone junk, so they seemed as though new software had been put on - not the case. The versions were exactly the same as when we took them in (2.something for the N70 and 4.04 for my 6680). What a waste of time and petrol.

Another thing I really wonder is why we have to have this sub-standard Vodaphone software? Why can't we just get normal Nokia phones (afterall we are paying for them, just Vodacom is defacing them) without the Vodaphone branding? It looks terrible.
 
Rikkelz said:
Another thing I really wonder is why we have to have this sub-standard Vodaphone software? Why can't we just get normal Nokia phones (afterall we are paying for them, just Vodacom is defacing them) without the Vodaphone branding? It looks terrible.

Rikkelz, please provide us with the differences between the 'sub-standard' Vodafone and the 'real' Nokia software. What changes were made to make the software sub-standard?

This is obviously a serious matter and I'd like to immediately escalate this to the highest level in both Vodacom and Vodafone so your urgent reply will be greatly appreciated. I also would like to inform Nokia.

I assume you know you can change the skins on your phone?
 
vodacom3g said:
Rikkelz, please provide us with the differences between the 'sub-standard' Vodafone and the 'real' Nokia software. What changes were made to make the software sub-standard?

This is obviously a serious matter and I'd like to immediately escalate this to the highest level in both Vodacom and Vodafone so your urgent reply will be greatly appreciated. I also would like to inform Nokia.

I assume you know you can change the skins on your phone?

Hi V3G, SO sorry that I didn't see your post earlier.

We visited Vodaworld on the 8th of August. On the job card it stated to collect at 15:00, we collected at about 2:40. I take it that our IMEI numbers could serve as proof that we did infact go to Nokia, shall I PM them to you?

We (my brother and myself – approached the counter simultaneously) asked the service technician at Nokia for a firmware upgrade for the N70 specifically because the gallery was really slow among some other issues. The phone had V.2.0… (I forget now as its not my phone). The technician then began telling us that there are much newer software versions available (he mentioned V6 – this is completely untrue though as V5.0616 is the latest AFAIK) but we couldn’t get the new software because they have to load the V-Live software and the latest version of the V-Live software was older than the newest Nokia software available. He also mentioned that the V-Live software is made by a 3rd party and not by Nokia itself and that’s why we saw so many N70s there (don’t believe him in this respect either because the gallery issues were also on the V2 software from Nokia).

However, having done research on the internet quite a while ago, operator branding on cellphones is most often a bad idea. I’ve read about countess people battling with the “Orange” branded software on their phones, where it interrupts basic function of the phone (people have also complained about Vodafone software – admittedly this was on the older symbian phones). I can only assume that the South African Vodafone cellphones are the same as the UK ones, it looks like a Vodafone phone and it feels like a Vodafone phone. But on a basic level, who do you think makes better, more reliable software for Nokia phones? Nokia or Vodafone?

Going back to the Nokia @ Vodaworld issue I also handed in my Nokia 6680 for an upgrade because there is also a new firmware for it (v5.04.07). We told the technician that we needed it in an hour because we had to be somewhere shortly afterward, however he left the collection time as 3PM (roughly two hours away).

We went to House of Coffee’s and returned just over an hour later. Collected our phones and left. Got into the car and checked the firmwares as we were leaving – they were identical to before we brought them in, by this time we couldn’t go back as we were already late for the other appointment.

So in summary, we had spent time backing up our SMSs, images, contacts, calendar; driving to Midrand from Centurion and waiting for an hour and a bit at Vodaworld in House of Coffees for absolutely nothing.

However I still stand by my earlier comment, the branding of the phones is unnecessary. I’m lucky with my 6680 as the branding is internal only, I can change my theme to get rid of the Vodafone look, however on my next phone I don’t think I’ll be so lucky. Take the N70 for example, it has the Vodafone logo on the back of the phone, it is engraved underneath the screen area and it has one of the buttons Nokia intended replaced with a Vodafone logo button. Customers should be able to elect to receive a Vodafone branded phone or not, after all we are paying for them.
 
Rikkelz said:
Take the N70 for example, it has the Vodafone logo on the back of the phone, it is engraved underneath the screen area and it has one of the buttons Nokia intended replaced with a Vodafone logo button. Customers should be able to elect to receive a Vodafone branded phone or not, after all we are paying for them.

Hi Rikkelz - I had the same issue at Nokia at Vodaworld (no s/w upgraded) - luckily I checked the software before leaving and promptly handed the phone back and they did the upgrade in 10 min which was not vodafone branded. I then had problems with receiving MMS videos which Vodacom via V3G sorted out for me by replacing the phone with a new one with upgraded software albeit with the vodafone branded software.
While I am not mad about the vodafone branding, I must say that luckily the Symbian software allows you to totally get rid of any vodafone related icons, colours etc - even the branded vodafone button on the keypad now opens my voice recorder.
My SE v800 is not that lucky, I cannot replace those damn awful icons in the menu as the themes do not allow for new icons.
W.r.t. the vodafone labeling, I have gotten used to it but do not like it.
You can always replace the covers with original N70 covers -
/rant mode
BUT THEN AGAIN, you will have to import these covers as the Nokia dealership via ExactMobile is totally USELESS. They don't have ANY accessories available - I have had to revert to obtaining any accessories via an MTN shop - don't know where the guy orders them from but at least I can get them.
Vodashops just shake their heads when I ask them for something - like the remote keyboard. the new CA70 cable which allows charging via USB etc etc (I am an accessory freak unfortunately)
/rant mode off

I am sure V3G will give you a reply as to what the issue is with the vodafone software, but as far as I know, it is developed in association with Nokia themselves.
 
I must be lucky. Have 2 N70s (My son and myself). Both with original software (V2 ???) and have had no problems other that having the Video calling activated by Cellphone Provider. Receive email, Tv etc.
 
TonyA said:
I must be lucky. Have 2 N70s (My son and myself). Both with original software (V2 ???) and have had no problems other that having the Video calling activated by Cellphone Provider. Receive email, Tv etc.


Do you not have the vodafone logo on the phone's body? Are they Voda contract phones?

The V2 software was upgraded to V5.xxx.xx.x or something. (vodafone branded and non branded)
 
Does anyone know how to get rid of the fscking tutorial button as the default for the top right key ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
Yes, relax - go to the menu > tools > settings > phone > standby mode > Right selection key.. and choose a new program.
 
AFAIK, the N70 is readily available.

Yes it is... I've been shafted by the place where I took out my contract. See my post in the relevant section of this forum.

Am taking legal counsel tomorrow as they now refuse to supply me with an N70
 
Rikkelz said:
We visited Vodaworld on the 8th of August. On the job card it stated to collect at 15:00, we collected at about 2:40. I take it that our IMEI numbers could serve as proof that we did infact go to Nokia, shall I PM them to you?
You upgraded your phone NEXT month? Wow :)
We (my brother and myself – approached the counter simultaneously) asked the service technician at Nokia for a firmware upgrade for the N70 specifically because the gallery was really slow among some other issues. The phone had V.2.0… (I forget now as its not my phone). The technician then began telling us that there are much newer software versions available (he mentioned V6 – this is completely untrue though as V5.0616 is the latest AFAIK) but we couldn’t get the new software because they have to load the V-Live software and the latest version of the V-Live software was older than the newest Nokia software available. He also mentioned that the V-Live software is made by a 3rd party and not by Nokia itself and that’s why we saw so many N70s there (don’t believe him in this respect either because the gallery issues were also on the V2 software from Nokia).
Do you have a name by any chance? I'd like to chat to this enlightened chap.
However, having done research on the internet quite a while ago, operator branding on cellphones is most often a bad idea. I’ve read about countess people battling with the “Orange” branded software on their phones, where it interrupts basic function of the phone (people have also complained about Vodafone software – admittedly this was on the older symbian phones). I can only assume that the South African Vodafone cellphones are the same as the UK ones, it looks like a Vodafone phone and it feels like a Vodafone phone. But on a basic level, who do you think makes better, more reliable software for Nokia phones? Nokia or Vodafone?
Vodafone does not write software for phones. Nokia will do specific customisations for operators around configuring certain settings up front, such as APN settings, skins, etc.

What functions are interrupted by the 'VLive software'? Or what other 'impact' do you see being caused by the 'VLive software'?

There is no 'VLive' app that runs on the phone, again it's just a bunch of preconfigured settings.
 
adsl3g said:
Do you not have the vodafone logo on the phone's body? Are they Voda contract phones?

The V2 software was upgraded to V5.xxx.xx.x or something. (vodafone branded and non branded)

Phones are stock standard with Vodaphone Logo, screen savers changed. Firmware indicates it V2.??? something and all fine. No problems with dialling, 3g, Vidoe calls Internet etc
 
Hi V3G thanks for the reply.

I'll take your word for it that Nokia writes the software for the phones. It seems I have been mistaken; sorry for arguing without the facts. It puzzles me then why people talk (forums on the net) of obtaining the Generic firmware for a phone rather than the branded ones. In terms of my 6680 the V-Live stuff is small and largely inconsequential. An example being the Go To menu; it is impossible to delete the Vodafone icons from there – it doesn’t grate me that much, but because of those Icons I don’t use the Go To menu. You also cannot delete the Vodafone theme from the themes menu.

Sorry, a small typo on my behalf. We went on the 8th of July (there should also be a speeding ticket from the N1 on our way back :( ). I’ve PMed you my IMEI number, you should be able to look that up on the system and get the name of the guy.

Thank you for looking into this issue; as I’ve mentioned the guy at Nokia was not raving about the ‘Vlive software’ – in fact in one instance he mentioned that the ‘Vlive software’ and the Nokia software will always “clash”. A puzzling statement because apparently ‘Vlive software’ does not exist, and even if it did it would replace the Nokia software rather than ‘clash’ with it.
 
Does someone know what has been changed / fixed with the new version?

can we now perhaps force the phone to use 3G?
 
3GisDaMan said:
Does someone know what has been changed / fixed with the new version?

can we now perhaps force the phone to use 3G?


From a visual perspective not much changes - if you go and sit down and compare yes there are some minor menu changes but it is not that evident.
You cannot force the phone to use 3G.
There were a number of technical changes too - I will post here if I can find it again.

EDIT:
Here Goes:
Changes/improvements made from
MCU SW v 3.0546.2.3 to 5.0609.2.0.1:
Known issues
" Intermittent ring tone issue
Bluetooth
" A note implemented to the end user when activating Bluetooth from "Settings" menu, if the Bluetooth profile is set to hidden.
Music Player Improvements
" Scanning both phone & MMC memory.
" Better play list support.
" Active Idle plug-in support.
" Improve supported media.
" Better support for Albums & Artist meta data.
Browser
" The X-Oma-Drm-SD header implemented.
User Interface
" Sensitivity of Brightness Modification in Image Editor increased.
" Flash light support in Media Gallery reintroduced.
" Speed of Returning from sequence post-capture view with many images increased.
" Active Standby icon for e-mail correctly aligned.
" Auto lock / Any key relationship realigned.
" Night mode icon modified.
" PIN code request sequence set correctly. Sleep mode behaviour now appropriate
Camera
" Camera Start-Up time improved.
" Camera behaviour in relation to "keypad lock" improved.
" Switching to secondary camera in video mode when burst is enabled.
" Sequencing improved.
" Sequence capture behavioural improvements when application closes.
" Closing Left Navi Key no longer adversely affects saving sequence images.
" Long sequence capture retains images.
" Error note handling improved.
Gallery
" Inserting MMC will not close Gallery.
" When adding thumbnails from folder - images now shown.
" Added Image resolution is correctly aligned.
" Slide show with music. Improvements in audio level settings and call handling behaviour.
" Image counter updated when memory card is replaced.
" Music Player allows battery low warnings to be displayed.
" JPEG decoding improved.
Applications
" Notepad now opens large text files.
" Creating audio-only clip in high quality mode (MP4) allowed.
" MMS postcard name entering improved.
" Access point configurator application and database improvements.
" Chinese language FM radio: Selecting profile sequence corrected.

DRM
" View certificate details for DRM content displayed correctly.
" Opening OMA DRM protected audio/mp3 files in Browser facilitated.
MMC
" Handset stability improved when using SAT menu originated SMS services.
" 'Memory card not available' note disappears when appropriate after closing embedded app.
Messaging
" When search label is used for selecting the attachment to MMS, correct sequence takes place.
" Wrongly formatted SIP addresses no longer cause handset to freeze.
Bluetooth
" Reliability of Bluetooth connectivity improved.
" Audio quality of voice command with BT headsets improved.
Video Sharing/Streaming
" VS Cancel sequence correctly aligned.
" Real player closing sequence after ISHO realigned.
" "Video Sharing" prompts now appear when appropriate.
Call Processing
" Correct response to MO when MT ignores an invite in place.
" Emergency number update according to regulations.
" Alternative "Ringtone" issue resolved.
" Simultaneous Video call and SMS receipt prompts correct ring tones.
Cellular Signaling
" Video telephony Inter Operability optimized.
" RSSI measurements in 2G re-evaluated.
Radio
" Performance has been maximized by improving the 2G > 3G reselection algorithm.
 
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Took my N70 phone in for a firmware upgrade when I was up in JHB 2 weeks ago. I took it to Nokia (exactmobile) at vodaworld.

Nokia tried to charge me for the firmware upgrade. They said it is standard to pay for the upgrade if you are not experiencing any problems with the phone. So if you are going to take your phone in to them to get upgraded, don't get caught out!
 
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