North Korea claims first nuclear test

[Geriatrix]

Nukes are boring and old hat.
Why don't they create something like the T-Virus, make a zombie land and send rich tourist hunters to go "save the world". I'm sure theres an Umbrella Corp like company out there who would like to profit from that.

If war is gonna be senseless, why not make it atleast interesting.

 

[schitz011]

Seriously though, nevermind the bomb what about there nuke power stations. With such a dilapidated and corrupt regime running these things a meltdown would be devastating as the radioactive cloud could blow over neighbouring countries.

Hang on, arn't we supposed to be talking about North Korea? You're going off topic by mentioning Koeberg

 

[kilo39]

Ja - but when 2 of the world's biggest warring nations - build, test and go active (secretly!!) - then george sells them more tech.

Sickening rhetoric.

Propaganda crap.

 

[neio]

So let me get this straight, you are saying that the NK nuke test is propaganda and that it did'nt happen?
In that case:
http://www.iris.edu/seismon/
Hmm, that looks very much like a earthquake in NK to me.

 

[Kimosabe]

Well if america attacks North Korea, then china will come to its side once again. And China being the sleeping giant it is, could easily take on america.
Which means...WW3...and the bad thing of us...We would most likely side with China and NK. So ja...no good things. I always knew i would see the next great war. I should find out who NZ will ally with, seeing as they are no allies with america.

Well maybe we could get lucky and some one would Nuke joburg

 

[icyrus]

Well if america attacks North Korea, then china will come to its side once again. And China being the sleeping giant it is, could easily take on america.
Which means...WW3...and the bad thing of us...We would most likely side with China and NK. So ja...no good things. I always knew i would see the next great war. I should find out who NZ will ally with, seeing as they are no allies with america.

Well maybe we could get lucky and some one would Nuke joburg

North Korea serves China's purposes for now, its true. But I highly doubt they would get drawn into a war that will cost them so much just to keep their little buffer state.

America and China are more likely to come to blows over Taiwan than NK.

 

[kilo39]

So let me get this straight, you are saying that the NK nuke test is propaganda and that it did'nt happen?
In that case:
http://www.iris.edu/seismon/
Hmm, that looks very much like a earthquake in NK to me.

Ag pleaze - who cares whether it happened or not - shall we be worried about India or Pakistan - active nuclear countries with porous borders and little state security - NO! - let's rather sell them more tech.

North Korea? What a joke. Let's just stop their grain imports (from america) - and then they can all starve to death.

China will kick america's arse (as they are doing in world markets.)

Sickening rhetoric - more war mongering from a nation who excels (their whole industry depends on it!!!!)

 

[jontyB]

icyrus: China is becoming increasingly pissed at the US for their continuous spying on the mainland. It's just a matter of time before China step up the warnings to something more threatening. IMHO the US's diplomatic approach re NK was more to placate China than to follow UN Security Council Procedure. I think America is scared of China, and the Chinese know it.

In the modern era, wars have been driven by big companies, oil and religion. WMD is a front and proved to be the easiest way into Iraq. American corporations are losing billions to China, and it is causing much friction there. Nobody really knows what the Chinese are up to. The fact that the world pretty much turns a blind eye to the extremely appalling disregard of human rights in China also supports my theory that the US are not sure how to deal with China.

 

[icyrus]

icyrus: China is becoming increasingly pissed at the US for their continuous spying on the mainland. It's just a matter of time before China step up the warnings to something more threatening. IMHO the US's diplomatic approach re NK was more to placate China than to follow UN Security Council Procedure. I think America is scared of China, and the Chinese know it.

In the modern era, wars have been driven by big companies, oil and religion. WMD is a front and proved to be the easiest way into Iraq. American corporations are losing billions to China, and it is causing much friction there. Nobody really knows what the Chinese are up to. The fact that the world pretty much turns a blind eye to the extremely appalling disregard of human rights in China also supports my theory that the US are not sure how to deal with China.

Whatever America and China's feeling are towards each other are I don't believe that either will escalate things to a hot war. There is too much to lose and nothing to gain. The only way I see anything happening between the 2 is if one or the other gets dragged into it by a third party.

 

[baasvandieplaas]

test nukes in SA

Maybe we should do some nuke testing in SA and in the process blow SA to pieces.

Oh I forgot we dont have the brain power to do this... and the nuke probaly would be disected and stolen before it had time to explode

 

[gboy]

I doubt if we will side with china in case of a war - especialy if North Korea started it, Correct me if i am Wrong but we dont have any embasis or political relations With NK do we.

 

[icyrus]

Maybe we should do some nuke testing in SA and in the process blow SA to pieces.

Oh I forgot we dont have the brain power to do this... and the nuke probaly would be disected and stolen before it had time to explode

You do know we did use to have a nuclear program right?

 

[gboy]

I remember reading about some sort of test in the see in the 80s, and a roumer of one in namibia, we did them at night so the Spy satelights had a nice show

 

[chiskop]

SA is the only country ever to have voluntarily dismantled a nuclear weapons programme: SA's Nuclear history. Also, the Vela Incident is a very interesting read.

 

[killadoob]

i think north korea is a bit worried about the US and has done this to either provoke them or say (dont mess with us we are nuclear active

someone said north korea dont have amissile that could reach the states, is this ture ive heard they do have a missile to reach the states

 

[jontyB]

i think north korea is a bit worried about the US and has done this to either provoke them or say (dont mess with us we are nuclear active

someone said north korea dont have amissile that could reach the states, is this ture ive heard they do have a missile to reach the states

They certainly don't have a missile capable of carying a 3 meter 4 ton nuclear payload all the way to the US. There is no issue of them attacking the US - this is a threat to the South and other American allies in Asia.

Building a rocket is not an immensely difficult thing to do anymore, but it is an expensive exercise.

 

[LoneGunman]

I think the NK saga is great fun to observe - mainly because the US tends to make a habit of attacking countries that are technically 'lower' down the military-tech ladder than themselves.

Whereas NK, with nukes - means the US is facing up against a country on roughly the same playing field. And this is something that - despite all the gung-ho macho stuff - that the US has never (not since WW2) had to deal with. So the US can't do its normal thing of rattling big weapons and riding in to attack, which they've been doing in whatever country they fancy - safe in the knowledge that they can't be hit back at too easily. While NK may not have long range ballistic weapons - they do have a lot of submarines, which themselves, are capable of missile launching.. and the Pacific does stretch all the way from Korea/Japan - up to the West coast of the US.. so it doesnt have to be about the firing of missiles from NK itself..
I think the UN is in an emergency session, followed by some sort of address by Bush on the NK issue.. not that the US (I believe) will dare to do anything 'tangible' - the ball is firmly in the court of NK.. not a bad teaching lesson to the US, who've gotten way too used to the idea that conventional enemies can be overflown, bombed, then invaded and occupied.. (to see where THAT ends up, do a search for a recent movie documentary called 'the war tapes' - where they gave a bunch of Iraq-headed soldiers, cameras to film what they saw. That shows the reality of Iraq and the US involvement from a firstperson perspective.)
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20552186-23109,00.html

 

[jontyB]

I think the NK saga is great fun to observe - mainly because the US tends to make a habit of attacking countries that are technically 'lower' down the military-tech ladder than themselves.

Whereas NK, with nukes - means the US is facing up against a country on roughly the same playing field. And this is something that - despite all the gung-ho macho stuff - that the US has never (not since WW2) had to deal with. So the US can't do its normal thing of rattling big weapons and riding in to attack, which they've been doing in whatever country they fancy - safe in the knowledge that they can't be hit back at too easily.

Added to the mix... the US cannot go in there with all guns blazing. Of course nothing prevents NK making 2-3 bombs a year and selling it to vrious US enemies. Interesting times ahead ;\

 

[LoneGunman]

to get a sense of the weirdness of NK, with its massive isolation - there's a Brit documentary called 'children of the secret state' - done with hidden cameras. It can give a sense of the reality inside NK.. For those interested, its available in all the ahem usual places

 

[icyrus]

not that the US (I believe) will dare to do anything 'tangible' - the ball is firmly in the court of NK..

America's interest in NK is only due to alliances with South Korea and Japan. I really don't believe they would care about them otherwise.