Nuclear no match for Renewables

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http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/2016/01/13/nuclear-no-match-for-renewables


SA has an immediate crisis in supplying reliable electricity. The government’s curiously oblique solution: eight new nuclear reactors, costing about R1-trillion. The inherent complexity of procurement, financing and construction means no new nuclear power could flow for at least a decade, and then only at prices well above those many customers cannot afford today.

The country’s past two flirtations with modern nuclear power have not gone well. Plans for a home-grown "pebble bed" modular reactor were abandoned in 2010 after 12 years and R7bn was wasted. Now rarely mentioned, it found no customers or investors, but its advocates’ influence lives on. In 2008, the government rejected as "unaffordable" bids to build 3.2GW of conventional nuclear reactors.

Today, its ambition is three times bigger — 9.6GW — and each gigawatt will cost about three times more because real costs rose while the rand lost half its value. So, the total price tag has increased about nine-fold since 2008, while SA’s per-capita gross domestic product (GDP) has not risen a bit. With the national debt approaching junk-bond status, nuclear "affordability" has hardly improved.

SA’s electricity use shrank since 2008. Eskom’s nearly quadrupling the price of electricity encouraged its customers to use less more productively. Between 2008 and 2013, Eskom provided incentives for customers to save 2.5GW. Those "negawatts" were 91% cheaper than Eskom’s most advanced power plants, let alone the coal they will burn.

Far more efficiency is possible. A team of experts from the Rocky Mountain Institute helped engineers redesign a vast mine to use 43% less energy, improve miners’ health, and boost profits, through investments that will pay for themselves in a few years.

The government’s policy rests on its 2010 plan, whose 2011 revision committed to 9.6GW of new nuclear power, despite finding it not economically optimal — even at costs far below that of today.

A 2013 update found nuclear clearly uneconomic if it became costlier, or renewables became cheaper, or demand slackened — all of which occurred. That update remains unpublished and ignored.

Yet since 2011, renewables have made astounding progress. Large-scale wind and solar farms have been built in an average of 1.6 years — six times faster than nuclear power. Small-scale solar home or village projects can be up and running in weeks.

Renewable electricity also became two-thirds cheaper as the Department of Energy’s open bidding for 6.3GW drove down wind power prices by half and solar by three-quarters. Both fell below 5 US cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh). New nuclear power in the world market costs between 9 US cents and 15 US cents per kWh — 12.4 US cents for a Turkish nuclear plant planned by Russia (SA’s preferred nuclear vendor), which has been delayed, unable to attract private financing, and is now suspended.

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RENEWABLES thrive on the fair and open competition that no new nuclear plant anywhere has survived. Nuclear costs are murky, rising, and augmented by the long-term burdens of decommissioning radioactive plants and storing their wastes for millennia.

Renewable energy costs are transparent, fixed for decades, and falling. Wind power and solar photovoltaic (PV) panels have no costly long-term obligations, wastes, climate burdens, or risks; they use virtually no water and have almost no operating costs; they burn no fuel and the wind and sun are free.

Worldwide, renewables in fair competition (no subsidies and no corruption) generally cost less than any other new electricity source and many existing ones. They form more than half of all new capacity — more than 80GW funded by more than $250bn of private capital each year from 2011 to 2014, and probably more last year. Nuclear, by comparison, has added less than 5GW annually, and attracted roughly zero voluntary private investment.

Renewables create economic growth and jobs for South Africans. The first 1.9GW of renewables added by mid-2015 delivered more than 19,000 job-years of employment. Unlike nuclear, they create domestic jobs and long-term domestic manufacturing.

The many projects in areas of poverty and inequality committed R19bn to develop local communities. Over six months, renewables saved R4bn in load shedding and fuel costs. Most of SA’s R193bn in renewable projects was financed by banks and private investors, including R53bn from abroad. A solar plant built in sunny SA pays for itself twice as fast as one in Italy.

Solar heat can be stored in molten salt for night-time power, as the new Bokpoort solar plant in the Northern Cape does. But storage is not necessary — four European countries not rich in hydropower received about half their 2014 electricity from renewables (Spain 46%, Scotland 50%, Denmark 59%, Portugal 64%), without adding bulk storage or reducing reliability.

South African wind and solar tend to work best at different times, together meeting morning and evening peak loads. The government wants nuclear power lest "variable" renewables prove unreliable, but experience abroad has resolved this problem: last year, the former East German utility was 46%-powered by wind and solar PV.

On the contrary, it is nuclear power whose rather inflexible output, traditionally blended with output from coal and gas plants, complicates integration with the renewables that are rapidly replacing polluting and erratically priced fossil fuels.

The maturation of renewable energy poises SA’s power system to become fundamentally more equitable and sustainable. Decentralised power-generation is the pathway to "energy democracy" — investing in power for people and places lacking it.

New nuclear power — with its costs rising, demand shrinking, and renewables winning in the marketplace — lacks a business case for SA, whichever country provides the technology. There’s no rational basis for discriminating against efficiency and renewables, all of which avoid the same fuels and emissions and can provide the same electrical services many times over at a lower cost than nuclear power.

BUT there is special cause for concern about the proposed nuclear deal with Russia. Does it meet the constitutional requirement for "fair, equitable, transparent, competitive, and cost-effective" procurement? A recent decision by the Supreme Court of Appeal, voiding Eskom’s proposed Koeberg refurbishment deal for being "irrational" and untransparent, suggests not. Russia has been promised favourable tax and financial treatment, and permanent immunity for any nuclear mishap. Have all other bidders — France, China, Korea, Japan, and the US — been promised the same?

Russia’s domestic nuclear projects have a troubling record on cost, delays, quality, and transparency. Its $72bn National Wealth Fund will run out this year, overextended by $24bn to finance nuclear exports to four other countries. Domestic reactor-building halved last year; all state nuclear subsidies are to halt this year.

Independent experts agree Russia would be lucky to build half the 30 nuclear projects it’s trying to sell to a dozen more countries including SA. Russia needs outside money to finance its nuclear commitments. But western capital is blocked by sanctions for aggression in Ukraine. Affordable capital from banks and private investors is unavailable because Russia and its nuclear builder Atomenergoprom are junk-rated, judged even riskier than Eskom.

Russia proposes to finance its nuclear build in SA from South African taxpayers, who would be locked into repaying Russia for decades through electricity-purchase contracts at inflated prices.

Not just Russian, but any nuclear power, is a bad idea for SA. It can’t compete with efficiency and renewables, by every relevant measure: cost, timeliness, financing, jobs, economic development, environmental and safety risk, independence, security, abundance of free domestic energy sources, and the social good of "energy democracy".

• Lovins is chief scientist at Rocky Mountain Institute, an independent nonprofit think-and-do tank in the US. Time Magazine named him of the world’s 100 most influential people


I happen to thoroughly agree with this, as can be clear from my regular postings regarding our proposed Nuclear build in this forum. Peanut gallery, come forth and debate!
 
It can’t compete with efficiency and renewables, by every relevant measure: cost, timeliness, financing, jobs, economic development, environmental and safety risk, independence, security, abundance of free domestic energy sources, and the social good of "energy democracy".

Except the most important one. Reliability. We need power when we need it. Not only when the sun shines or the wind is blowing.
 
Except the most important one. Reliability. We need power when we need it. Not only when the sun shines or the wind is blowing.


Guess you didn't read the article too closely -

South African wind and solar tend to work best at different times, together meeting morning and evening peak loads. The government wants nuclear power lest "variable" renewables prove unreliable, but experience abroad has resolved this problem: last year, the former East German utility was 46%-powered by wind and solar PV.

On the contrary, it is nuclear power whose rather inflexible output, traditionally blended with output from coal and gas plants, complicates integration with the renewables that are rapidly replacing polluting and erratically priced fossil fuels.


We don't actually have a "baseload" issue.
Most of our generation is required *during the day* (which is when the sun shines).
Wind typically picks up after sunset, and is fairly predictable too.
You'd rather have coal running 24/7 than coal running for 2-3 hours to cover the evening peak if/when renewables can't cover it?

Pretty much every country thats installed masses of renewables is finding that the worries about "baseload" are pretty meaningless.
The distributed nature of renewables together with their non monolithic nature means that the grid is more stable, not less.

If for one or two days in the year there is insufficient generation, ramp up a coal plant to meet demand.

Its all moot too, we simply don't have enough renewable generation yet to even worry about "baseload".
When we get to 30-40% renewable generation capacity, we can revisit it, but other countries experiences are that its less of an actual concern than is made out to be.

We nominally have 40GW of generation (which is ever decreasing).
We could quite likely add 12-15GW of renewables on the grid as it stands.

I'd actually lean towards having more wind generation than we actually need, as studies show that increases availability with overbuild, which could bring that total up to 20GW.
 
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I'll nitpick one thing - nuclear is technically safer than solar - more people have been killed per TWh via solar power, than via nuclear. Not by a big margin mind you, but it is weird to think solar is more dangerous :p But heck, either one is 1000 times safer than coal :erm:

As for stability? What about Germany, isn't their grid a mess thanks to solar? Sure, maybe that is because they did it wrong, but going renewable does not automatically translate into a more stable grid
 
Dont think it is that easy. Takes a long time to bring a coal/nuclear station back up to speed and synced not so?

No, its done all the time. Load following is done in most countries. You have plants on standby to ramp up generation in case of plant failure elsewhere. Coal is typically used (amongst other peaking solutions like gas / diesel in our case), not Nuclear, as Nuclear is slow to ramp up (latency is high), plus Nuclear's plant costs make it unfeasible to run at anything other than 24/7. If a Nuclear plant is not run all the time, its financial suicide for the operator.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_following_power_plant


I'll nitpick one thing - nuclear is technically safer than solar - more people have been killed per TWh via solar power, than via nuclear. Not by a big margin mind you, but it is weird to think solar is more dangerous But heck, either one is 1000 times safer than coal

Not true.

I looked at that site which made that claim. It justified that by extrapolating deaths from roof accidents to solar installs.
If construction is going to be included (and if construction for solar is included, then that too should be included for Nuclear plants), then Nuclear has *far* more deaths than solar.

As for stability? What about Germany, isn't their grid a mess thanks to solar? Sure, maybe that is because they did it wrong, but going renewable does not automatically translate into a more stable grid

Germany's grid is stable. Why do you think there are issues?
They do have the issue that they're overproducing electricity from renewables at times, but thats a good problem, not a bad one.

Oh no we have too much electricity, means you can export to other countries (i.e. Zim etc in our case), or you can use it for things that don't require consistent power - eg desalination plants.

On no, we don't have enough electricity (in our case), means we need to shut down parts of the grid in order to keep it up and running.

Which one of those two is an issue? Hint, its not the first one.

Go read the German Energywiende site for details. English version here - http://energytransition.de
 
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Not true.

I looked at that site which made that claim. It justified that by extrapolating deaths from roof accidents to solar installs.
If construction is going to be included (and if construction for solar is included, then that too should be included for Nuclear plants), then Nuclear has *far* more deaths than solar.

So you think the construction of a "few" nuclear plants with stringent safety requirement will count markedly to the death count vs what happens in the solar field where many random people work without much regard for safety? No... I think not.

As for extrapolate? No... Total deaths/total generated via solar. Hence solar related deaths. Perhaps we should add that they don't even mention mining related deaths for solar, whereas they do for nuclear. So another minus point against solar. (edit: reread my links, seems like it is indeed rooftop solar only, they still dont count mining deaths afaik)

Again, I'm not saying don't go solar (especially in SA), but you are being kind of fanatical if you cling to the idea that solar is less dangerous than nuclear.
 
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Renewables are a "nice to have", but no Aluminium smelter is is going to be run on renewables. They are just not reliable enough.
 
The numbers going forward are sad.

But consider if construction had completed in 2010... it would have allowed more economic growth and prevented having to burn diesel.

Be proactive and get it built for 2030 and get back to 1994's 30% reserve capacity.

"Hoping for the best" by relying mostly on coal is not a good long term strategy.
 
So you think the construction of a "few" nuclear plants with stringent safety requirement will count markedly to the death count vs what happens in the solar field where many random people work without much regard for safety? No... I think not.

As for extrapolate? No... Total deaths/total generated via solar. Hence solar related deaths. Perhaps we should add that they don't even mention mining related deaths for solar, whereas they do for nuclear. So another minus point against solar.

Again, I'm not saying don't go solar (especially in SA), but you are being kind of fanatical if you cling to the idea that solar is less dangerous than nuclear.

I do think you're being specious.

Nuclear industry is only large scale. Large scale construction projects have deaths during construction, regardless of safety measures in place. Large scale solar also has deaths, but at a far lower scale, as large scale solar is mostly at ground level.

Wind construction has had fewer deaths total over the years - 12 in 4 decades.

Small scale solar has deaths too, but quantifying these is hard (there are no real figures available). The only study that I found that compares figures extrapolates deaths based on construction industry deaths in total. Not on actual deaths during solar installs on roofs.
The report that puts solar deaths above Nuclear (and thats highly debate-able given they extrapolate figures), compares roof-top solar. Not large scale solar.

Assuming you are using this report - http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html

You may as well say that going up on the roof is marginally more dangerous than working in a nuclear plant, as thats what it really boils down to. The figures that were published for Nuclear are also highly suspect - they don't include a number of plant deaths like the ones in Russia (no, not Chernobyl, the other ones).


http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/whats-the-deadliest-power-source
 
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Funny you should claim that - a key statistic is that energy for Aluminium production in Europe and the US is now significantly renewables (especially hydro) based.

Oh, when I said renewables I meant solar and wind mainly. I thought that was obvious because for SA a hyrostation is not an option.
 
Renewable energy is great, and should be used. However, it cannot be used as a replacement for baseload. Our national electricity use has declined since 2008, does that not worry anyone? The number of factories that have shut down over the past few years are enormous. Steel mills are shutting down one after another, refineries are shutting down, this is very bad for our economy. And all because there is not enough electricity. We need more baseload to get these 24/7 operations going again. In the next 10 to 20 years we will have to replace half of our existing coal stations because they are reaching end of life. That's roughly 20MW. To replace with renewables you will need maybe 25 or 30 MW to allow for variations in output. That is a lot of solar and wind farms.

I am definitely against the Russian deal, but a open and transparent tender process and the correct supplier and it could work out better than Medupi.
 
What I find incredible is just how difficult it has been for so many governments around the world to get to grips with what truly matters when decisions of this nature are taken.

Years ago (1970) a company called Solarex ( not to be confused with the SA outfit with the same name?) built the first major solar plant in the US. They were years ahead in the technology much too early for their time. Just about no one in the US, let alone the rest of the World could get to grips with what they were saying. In 1993 on a trip to the US, I bought a map or chart showing the solar generation potential of all areas for the World. I have that chart in front of me right now.

The chart plots contours on a Map of the World on a scale in kilowatt-hrs/m2/day. Parts of SA, Namibia, and just about all of Botswana lie in a contour above 6 kilowatt-hrs/m2/day. Just about all of SA except for the coastal areas is above the 5 contour!

Therefore in 1993 and maybe even before the chart, says it was a "no brainer" for SA to pursue with all its potential the development of solar generation technology! Yet, more than 20 years had to pass by wasted, before a solar energy research project kicked off in this country!

In the meantime we went ahead hell bent on continuing with coal power plant construction, and more effort spent on nuclear developments, when the writing was on the wall about what the World trend was in regard to both.

There is only one explanation for all of this and that is it does not matter how good an idea is, if the vested interests in a country do not benefit nothing will happen.

Aside from all the emotion around nuclear and all the "stuff" about global warning, the numbers have long ago shown what should be done, yet "facts" never seem to get through all the BS .......

An excellent article, well worth a good and thorough read ....
 
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Just go nuclear and be done with it. It is really annoying that the SA Nuclear deal is such a farce given the overall and long term benefit such power plants bring. More delays are also introduced by influential groups who stand to lose big on coal-fired plants, given how abundant and easily accessible SA's coal deposits are.
 
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Guess you didn't read the article too closely -




We don't actually have a "baseload" issue.
Most of our generation is required *during the day* (which is when the sun shines).
Wind typically picks up after sunset, and is fairly predictable too.
You'd rather have coal running 24/7 than coal running for 2-3 hours to cover the evening peak if/when renewables can't cover it?

Pretty much every country thats installed masses of renewables is finding that the worries about "baseload" are pretty meaningless.
The distributed nature of renewables together with their non monolithic nature means that the grid is more stable, not less.

If for one or two days in the year there is insufficient generation, ramp up a coal plant to meet demand.

Its all moot too, we simply don't have enough renewable generation yet to even worry about "baseload".
When we get to 30-40% renewable generation capacity, we can revisit it, but other countries experiences are that its less of an actual concern than is made out to be.

We nominally have 40GW of generation (which is ever decreasing).
We could quite likely add 12-15GW of renewables on the grid as it stands.

I'd actually lean towards having more wind generation than we actually need, as studies show that increases availability with overbuild, which could bring that total up to 20GW.

You're also forgetting generating cost. While solar in the karoo is cheap, many of those farms aren't hooked up to the grid due to infrastructure costs. Then of course you have losses as you transport the power over the country.

When you can build Nuclear much closer to wear it's actually needed.

No one here said coal is good.
 
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Just go nuclear and be done with it. It is really annoying that the SA Nuclear deal is such a farce given the overall and long term benefit such power plants bring. More delays are also introduced by influential groups who stand to lose big on coal-fired plants, given how abundant and easily accessible SA's coal deposits are.

This.

Don't conflate the negatives of the Russia deal, with the real benefits of nuclear in general.
 
You're also forgetting generating cost. While solar in the karoo, many of those farms aren't hooked up to the grid due to infrastructure costs. Then of course you have losses as you transport the power over the country.

When you can build Nuclear much closer to wear it's actually needed.

No one here said coal is good.

If government allowed individuals to feed back into the grid that wouldn't be so much of a problem. Every building/house/shopping mall could be used as a small sub-station of a countrywide distributed power station.

So much potential is lost by not giving people the ability to contribute to the grid.
 
I do think you're being specious.

I think you don't understand what the term "nitpick" means :p

But more seriously, I still think you're a bit blinkered. We haven't even touched on more interesting and relevant things (since lets be honest, nuclear/solar is still by far safer than coal) like the environmental impact of producing panels, which can vary wildly between manufacturers. There are pros and cons to everything, I'm only hearing pros here. That is simply not possible
 
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