Nukecap or FreeDSL?

Pan said:
FreeDSL - Shaped ADSL without the restrictions

you should work for telkom or iburst advertising :) thats like saying "very fast car...without and engine"
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Very clever.

Ok, the shaped means that the service is shaped on ourside via packet/TOS/prioritization mangling. Hence it is shaped traffic.

Then again, all traffic in SA is shaped.
 
We currently have available to us, 768KB worth of bandwidth, which is over a diginet link. This will be getting upgraded in the next month to 1024KB. We are able to cator or up to 100 users easily.
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I really think your going way over your head here, good prioritisation or not, thats just not possible to sustain good bandwidth per user when you signup 75 users even on only 1mbit of bandwidth.

But I suppose, if you have some magic where you could burst that 1mbit to infinity, this could work.

Im not trying to be funny with this post, I am simply an down to earth, straight to the facts kinda guy and 1mbit just wont handle 75 users, not to mention 100 users EASILY as you state.
 
In all honesty ultraviolet, if your looking at only using 5gig a month, the best option would be to go for 10gig axxess account, similarly priced as getting 3gig + proxy service and well you wont hit the 10gig as you mentioned 5gig only.
 
Clipse,

Yes I guess its way over my head in regards to the 100 users. I suppose the more realistically number would be about 50 or 60 users. But then again I wasn't really refering to 100 users being on the proxy at once, just as the rational 30:1. You don't intend to have all 30 users on at once.

Our service gets about 65% cache hits. Which is already 65% of the current bandwidth @ 768Kbytes available to others that don't get a cache hit. Secondly, 29.8% of all traffic on freedsl is local, which means 29.8% more bandwidth for international sites.

Then again it gets me thinking, how the hell do you come in at R120 per user and be able to run comfortably at that price. We can both sit here and throw fists.

Clipse, I have no idea how your service works, so I can't comment on it. I can only guess you are using ADSL as a transport method for bandwidth.

I'm just interested.

And yes, UltraViolet, take the axxess acount, as its impossible for both FreeDSL and Nukecap to out do 10gig @ 512Kb/s compared to 20:1/30:1 of 512Kb/s uncapped.
 
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lol Im not throwing fists, and I am working in 30:1 and expecting that even if all 30 users on at same time they all will get relatively good speed (yes it happens rarely to never)

Your whole caching argument is really inaccurate, cached or not, you still only have X amount of bandwidth, the only difference you read it from your cache server and still send it via your X amount of bandwidth to the users.

Be it from cached or from international/local traffic to the user, its still just as restricted from there on to the client side. Caching in practice is intended to be used ie. private network with 100mbit link, public network with 512k link... you cache all traffic from 512k link onto the private network and then spread the cache over the 100mbit to the private network users.

Anyways, Im upgrading to add extra 512k soon to handle more users as Im maxed out for 4 months running allready.

Enjoy
 
Well done for you Clipse, since you have been running for ages (8 months or so?).

You have a good argument, but you don't know everything that happens server side on our network, just as I don't have that information about your network.

Yes the cache is restricted, over the ADSL line only. It does not use the diginet link to send cached information back to the client, just as local traffic only goes over an ADSL link, it doesn't touch our diginet link.

Although the last comment you made was cut-throat, but I see your point. As mentioned, you are already maxed out for 4 months, and need to upgrade. I can only applaud you and wish you the best of luck for the future.

We are both priced almost the same, so its just a matter of a client going with the service that provides the best service.

Enjoy.
 
clipse i wouldnt say nukecap offer the best service either ive heard ppl say they get 2k/s from you guys which is madness i mean why bother with 2k/s thats just stupid

and on a 1m line wouldnt you able to offer 100 ppl 12.5 k/s?
which is alot for 100 plus if you have a 30:1 ratio how many of those ppl are on at once
 
Well 1MB is 1024Kbits. so effectively:

1024 / 100 = 10.24 Kbits

To convert to KB:

10.24 / 8 = 1.28KB/s

Thats not really worth it. Also, only 90% of that is considered true bandwidth, so:

1.28 * 90% = 1.152KB/s MAX

Not worth it!

I did go overboard with the whole 1MB for 100 users... I appologize!
 
Anyone for Proxy / VPN services that will *not* be speed restricted? i.e. the bandwidth available on your DSL line, is the bandwidth you get - period?
 
Clipse + Bob's Uncle :: Nice. Loved the really sweet conversation. You 2 should get together wif a couple of beers and some really good strippers. Proud of you both. :)
 
killadoob said:
clipse i wouldnt say nukecap offer the best service either ive heard ppl say they get 2k/s from you guys which is madness i mean why bother with 2k/s thats just stupid

and on a 1m line wouldnt you able to offer 100 ppl 12.5 k/s?
which is alot for 100 plus if you have a 30:1 ratio how many of those ppl are on at once
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Fair enough, but would I have a full army ony my proxy service if it was indeed so slow? I have had some configuration changes since the start of the service, that might have been during some testing that people got 2k/s , heck I dont know, havnt even heard about this before lol

re: 1mbit and not 1megabyte/sec

Unclebob - Its good to hear that it wasnt meant to be taken seriously, Keep up the good work and no more of this push and pulling :)
 
savage said:
Anyone for Proxy / VPN services that will *not* be speed restricted? i.e. the bandwidth available on your DSL line, is the bandwidth you get - period?
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Well FreeDSL is looking at expanding to the following solutions:

5:1 Uncapped Prioritized Bandwidth Proxy @ R 400/m
3:1 Uncapped Prioritized Bandwidth Proxy @ R 699/m

These packages will most likely be launched start next month. Testing phase will be from 25th May -> 31st May 2005.

We are also looking at the static ip/static subnets at full speed, but those will be a later launch.

Thanks
 
I would say that FreeDSL/NukeCap would work very well for anyone on ADSL192.
192Kb/s / 8 * 90% = 21.6KB/s max on a normal account. If you get Capped to go down to +- 10KB/s (for International) would not be to bad.

Combine that with a 2Gig Account that does not completely stop after the cap, but works like a 3Gig account @R188 (Now everyone know who my ISP is) and R100 give you a total of only R288 uncapped. Much cheaper than anything larger than a 3Gig account.

Think I should give it a try when I'm Capped this month... :)
 
btw.. just a note, dropped fees on 2 proxy packages as follow

Activation fee from R150 to R100 once-office

Basic package = R120 / month (Was R140 / month)
Intermediate Package = R140 / month (Was R160 / month)
Advanced package = R200 / month (unchanged)

also

Non-NukeCAP Lowping Service = R120 / month (Was R150 / month)

Enjoy
 
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Clipse, what is this lowPing service you have? Does it have a cap?
 
the current service doesnt have a monthly cap, u pay straight fee and you use it. Its not gauranteed so you do get times where the line is saturated for various reasons but most of the time you do get your money worth.

Reason why I decided to impliment the dedicated gauranteed vpn host is simple, the demand got to much and the current lowping is to limited for all users. Not everyone is only keen to use it for World of warcraft.

The real benefits of lowping atm, can be used after your cap and got most of the time lower ping than normal shaped ADSL. On top of that, the ping doesnt spike all over the place like shaped ADSL. Usuable 24/7.
 
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