O2 DOWN: UK mobile network crash

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Looks like its a software issue on some Ericsson core switches. Multiple customers around the world effected.

https://www.ericsson.com/en/press-r...on-software-issue-impacting-certain-customers

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46464730

O2 says it does not know when full service will be restored to millions of customers who cannot access data services on their smartphones.

The mobile network said it was working "flat out" with Ericsson to fix the technical problems.

The Swedish company, which makes mobile network equipment, confirmed that an issue with its software was to blame.

Ah, software issues...
 
FYI, GPS doesn’t require a data connection...

GPS orbital ephemeris capture can take 5-10 minutes without a terrestrial internet connection.

Try it on your phone, do a cold-boot, turn off data, and see how long GPS takes to lock on...

Edit: See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

Mobile Station Based (MSB): Information used to acquire satellites more quickly.
- It can supply orbital data or almanac for the GPS satellites to the GPS receiver, enabling the GPS receiver to lock to the satellites more rapidly in some cases.
- The network can provide precise time.

Standalone GPS provides first position in approximately 30–40 seconds. A standalone GPS needs orbital information of the satellites to calculate the current position. The data rate of the satellite signal is only 50 bit/s, so downloading orbital information like ephemerides and the almanac directly from satellites typically takes a long time, and if the satellite signals are lost during the acquisition of this information, it is discarded and the standalone system has to start from scratch.
 
GPS orbital ephemeris capture can take 5-10 minutes without a terrestrial internet connection.

Try it on your phone, do a cold-boot, turn off data, and see how long GPS takes to lock on...

Edit: See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

I often use TomTom on my phone without a data connection. I also use an older Garmin device that has no data ability whatsoever (and doesn’t even utilise A-GPS iirc) and both function perfectly.

I suspect the confusion is with Google maps which requires a data connection to download maps as you travel (unless you’ve downloaded an area in advance).
 
Actually you’ve proven my point with your link ;)

Standalone GPS provides first position in approximately 30–40 seconds.

First approximation can be anywhere up to a kilometer out of range.

Selective quotation:

if the satellite signals are lost during the acquisition of this information, it is discarded and the standalone system has to start from scratch.

There is a huge difference between a Garmin GPS used outdoors, and a mobile phone inside a vehicle in an urban area with tall buildings obscuring most of the sky.

"Your mileage may vary..."

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_signals#Almanac

Satellite data is updated typically every 24 hours, with up to 60 days data loaded in case there is a disruption in the ability to make updates regularly. Typically the updates contain new ephemerides, with new almanacs uploaded less frequently. The Control Segment guarantees that during normal operations a new almanac will be uploaded at least every 6 days.

Satellites broadcast a new ephemeris every two hours. The ephemeris is generally valid for 4 hours, with provisions for updates every 4 hours or longer in non-nominal conditions. The time needed to acquire the ephemeris is becoming a significant element of the delay to first position fix, because as the receiver hardware becomes more capable, the time to lock onto the satellite signals shrinks; however, the ephemeris data requires 18 to 36 seconds before it is received, due to the low data transmission rate.

Edit: If you have used GPS recently, acquisition will be rapid. In the worst cases (and cold boot) that takes a lot longer.
 
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Oh, wait.....

As you were people , he's still around. No reason to celebrate anymore
 
First approximation can be anywhere up to a kilometer out of range.

If you’re naughty Santa won’t visit. There’s about as much science in both statements...

I’ve used both standalone units and phones (even in flight mode) all over Europe and SA and never had a problem. Over the last 5 years it’s mostly been phones from cheap Huaweis to expensive iPhones and all sorts in between.

FACT: a data signal is not required to use GPS...
 
If you’re naughty Santa won’t visit. There’s about as much science in both statements...

I’ve used both standalone units and phones (even in flight mode) all over Europe and SA and never had a problem. Over the last 5 years it’s mostly been phones from cheap Huaweis to expensive iPhones and all sorts in between.

FACT: a data signal is not required to use GPS...

Sorry to be pedantic (and probably way off topic), but the reality is sometimes different. You are either lucky, or have well configured devices: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_first_fix

The TTFF is commonly broken down into three more specific scenarios, as defined in the GPS equipment guide:

- Cold or Factory: The receiver is missing, or has inaccurate estimates of, its position, velocity, the time, or the visibility of any of the GPS satellites. As such, the receiver must systematically search for all possible satellites. After acquiring a satellite signal, the receiver can begin to obtain approximate information on all the other satellites, called the almanac. This almanac is transmitted repeatedly over 12.5 minutes. Almanac data can be received from any of the GPS satellites and is considered valid for up to 180 days. Manufacturers typically claim the factory TTFF to be 15 minutes.

- Warm or Normal: The receiver has estimates of the current time within 20 seconds, the current position within 100 kilometers, and its velocity within 25 m/s, and it has valid almanac data. It must acquire each satellite signal and obtain that satellite's detailed orbital information, called ephemeris data. Each satellite broadcasts its ephemeris data every 30 seconds, and is valid for up to four hours.

- Hot or standby: The receiver has valid time, position, almanac, and ephemeris data, enabling a rapid acquisition of satellite signals. The time required of a receiver in this state to calculate a position fix may also be termed Time to Subsequent fix (TTSF)

Many receivers can use as many as twelve channels simultaneously, allowing quicker fixes. Many cell phones reduce the time to first fix by using assisted GPS (A-GPS): they acquire almanac and ephemeris data over a fast network connection from the cell phone operator rather than over the slow radio connection from the satellites.

Edit: My understanding is that if your receiver does not satisfy the normal requirements, then it defaults to cold/factory mode. This could easily happen if your phone has an inaccurate clock (after the battery was replaced), or is not set to pick up the correct time from base stations.

Edit: By contrast any decent receiver will probably remember the last known position (and be at zero velocity when powered up), plus store a valid copy of the 180 day almanac, so you will rarely have experienced the cold/factory mode (after first using the device).

Edit: AFAIK flight mode does not necessarily turn off the receiving of data. You might actually have exact time and approximate geographic location, enough to jump start the GPS location.
 
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