O2 DOWN: UK mobile network crash

[Dave]

You keep repeating a straw-man argument which I have not ever made. I know perfectly well how a GPS works in the absence of a data connection, but that is not the point of this discussion.

Of course it’s the point of the discussion, it’s my original statement made that you thought you would try and show how clever you were by answering (and failing, and looking rather stupid if I may so).

I also don’t think you know what a straw man is...


Here’s the exact words of my first post, Mr Mensa

FYI, GPS doesn’t require a data connection...

 

[Gordon_R]

Of course it’s the point of the discussion, it’s my original statement made that you thought you would try and show how clever you were by answering (and failing, and looking rather stupid if I may so).

I also don’t think you know what a straw man is...


Here’s the exact words of my first post, Mr Mensa

Yes, but many people with cellphones are used to having GPS that comes on instantly. In the absence of a data connection, this will not happen.

IMO, your responses show how stupid (and arrogant) you are, that you can't understand that someone might have an opinion that is ever so slightly different from yours.

 

[Dave]

Yes, but many people with cellphones are used to having GPS that comes on instantly. In the absence of a data connection, this will not happen.

No, it might take 30 seconds or a minute, but it will still work fine without a data connection.

Fact, and no amount of you trying to look clever by posting half of Wikipedia will change that.

 

[Dave]

IMO, your responses show how stupid (and arrogant) you are, that you can't understand that someone might have an opinion that is ever so slightly different from yours.

If I’m the stupid arrogant one it should take you long to prove my stupid statement wrong, should it?

Here it is again, please prove it wrong.

GPS doesn’t require a data connection...

 

[Gordon_R]

No, it might take 30 seconds or a minute, but it will still work fine without a data connection.

Fact, and no amount of you trying to look clever by posting half of Wikipedia will change that.

I posted the challenge and response above. Have you actually tried it?

I just tested it on my phone, and it doesn't work.

Edit: So, you are right because you say so, and I am wrong because you say so. Brilliant logic!

 

[Hamish McPanji]

By the way, did you know the O2 network in the UK went down today. Pretty hectic. Details are patchy at the moment, so I think someone should start a thread

 

[Dave]

I posted the challenge and response above. Have you actually tried it?

Have you fed your cart horse yet?

Can you please refute my statement, I’m still waiting.

GPS doesn’t require a data connection...

 

[Dave]

By the way, did you know the O2 network in the UK went down today. Pretty hectic. Details are patchy at the moment, so I think someone should start a thread

Hamish, did you know that a GPS won’t work if it doesn’t have a data connection.

How do you keep those GPS units working in the Congo? Do they have 100% data coverage there?

Do you think they have a satellite connection on the back of the camel when crossing the Sahara using a GPS?

I hope you feel more able to answer my questions. The Amish guy just doesn’t seem able to...

 

[Gordon_R]

Have you fed your cart horse yet?

Can you please refute my statement, I’m still waiting.

At the risk of repeating myself:
1. GPS can function in the absence of a data connection.
2. The acquisition of the satellite ephemeris can be very slow, so the absence of of a data connection can render the first-fix slow, or effectively make GPS nonfunctional.

 

[Dave]

GPS can function in the absence of a data connection.

So why did you see the need to feel it was necessary to contradict my post that said exactly that?

These are the exact words you contradicted with a cut and paste of Wikipedia

GPS doesn’t require a data connection...

Just to try and feel clever or some form of superiority complex???

Do you feel a bit stupid now?

 

[Dave]

the absence of of a data connection can render the first-fix slow, or effectively make GPS nonfunctional.

Just noticed you talking nonsense again, lack of a data connection does not make a GPS non-functional. You are just making things up based upon your anecdotal sample of one.

Back to the questions I think, if you were correct how does a GPS get fix in the middle of the ocean or desert (or anywhere with no data connection)?

You won’t answer that for only one reason, because you can’t.

I have witnessed tens, if not hundreds of GPS devices working purely with GPS over many years. First fix can be slow but it will always function.

 

[Gordon_R]

I never contradicted your statement. I pointed out that it was simplistic, and contrary to the way that millions of people use the GPS system on their cellphones every day.

You must have a huge chip on your shoulder if you can't see that.

 

[Gordon_R]

Just noticed you talking nonsense again, lack of a data connection does not make a GPS non-functional. You are just making things up based upon your anecdotal sample of one.

Back to the questions I think, if you were correct how does a GPS get fix in the middle of the ocean or desert (or anywhere with no data connection)?

You won’t answer that for only one reason, because you can’t.

I have witnessed tens, if not hundreds of GPS devices working purely with GPS over many years. First fix can be slow but it will always function.

You asked me to provide proof, and I did. A sample of one is enough to refute and argument. This is also backed up by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

Some A-GPS devices do not have the option of falling back to standalone or autonomous GPS.

I did not say that no GPS device can work without a data connection. That is a false dichotomy. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichotomy

I know perfectly well how a GPS fix works, I just don't have the patience to spell it out, when there are good reference sources online.

BTW, this thread is not just about you. There may actually be other people who can learn something.

 

[Dave]

You asked me to provide proof, and I did. A sample of one is enough to refute and argument. This is also backed up by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

I did not say that no GPS device can work without a data connection. That is a false dichotomy. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichotomy

Oh god, back to Wikipedia goes the Wiki master.

Please explain how anything you said refuted my statement....

GPS doesn’t require a data connection...

You were the master paster who decided to bring A-GPS into a GPS comment, it really has nothing to do with the statement I made.

It’s a simple fact, and no amount of obfuscation from some old guy with a phone from 2012 will change a simple fact.

GPS doesn’t require a data connection...

I’ll tell you what, R100 to any charity (or you, if you need it) when you disprove the following statement;

GPS doesn’t require a data connection...

Should I repeat that for you?

GPS doesn’t require a data connection...

 

[Dave]

There may actually be other people who can learn something.

Hopefully it won’t be the ignorant rubbish you’ve spouted about GPS needing a data connection to work.

 

[Gordon_R]

@Dave

Wow, you really are a troll!

I never said that a stand alone GPS device requires a data connection.

There are millions of cellphones with an embedded GPS system, and those are affected by network failures, which is the topic of this thread.

Your statement is ambiguous, and can neither be proved nor refuted, because the term GPS covers such a wide range of systems and devices.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

I know it's a bit off topic, but :

Ericsson says has identified software glitch causing mobile network outages

(Reuters) - Mobile network equipment group Ericsson (ERICb.ST) said on Thursday it had identified an issue in certain nodes in the core network resulting in network disturbances for some customers.

It said in a statement that the faulty software that caused these issues was being decommissioned.

Ericsson had said earlier on Thursday it was working with mobile companies in Britain and Japan to restore full service to millions of customers hit by outages caused by a software glitch in the Swedish company's equipment

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-0...-causing-mobile-network-outages-idUKKBN1O51XO

 

[Dave]

I never said that a stand alone GPS device requires a data connection.

So you didn’t quote my post and then post half a wiki to show how I was wrong?

Hmmm

 

[Dave]

I was going to go back and quote all of @Gordon_R ’s garbage and “gps is useless without a data connection” bs but I can’t be bothered.



I think I’ll try and speak to someone with at least half a brain.

@Hamish McPanji

Didn’t you use Giffgaff?

 

[Gordon_R]

I was going to go back and quote all of @Gordon_R ’s garbage and “gps is useless without a data connection” bs but I can’t be bothered.

That's a completely willful misinterpretation of everything I have posted. I think your comprehension skills are as faulty as your logic.