Obama Officially Ineligible

[zippy]

That airplane fuel burned at 1200 degrees.

The steel in the towers could withstand temps up to 2500 degrees.

Even then, for the steel to melt it would have to endure continued exposure by adding more and more fuel (ie. that specific metal doesn't just melt, it is designed not to) -- unlike the events of 9/11.

Those pesky engineers and their facts..

The steel doesnt have to melt, dimwit, only lose enough of its strength in the load bearing columns to buckle under load.


It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.4 This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range.

The reason the building came down is the joists holding the floors where the impact occurred failed. Causing the floors to fall and this produced the cascading effect and is also the reason the building collapsed inwards.

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

 

[empirex]

You have no background in Engineering materials do you? As someone who studies these things, I'm telling you that you're talking absolute k@k.

How about the person that certified the steel used in the construction of the towers, is he also talking k@k....?

From the man who certified the steel used in the construction of the WTC's:

"We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications.

Additionally, I think that we can all agree that even unfireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F. Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers."

-- Kevin Ryan, Underwriters Laboratorium

Days after writing the above, Kevin Ryan was fired.


Mark Larsow President of Controlled Demolition Incorporated reveals:

"In the basements of the collapsed towers where the 47 central support columns connected with the bedrock, hotspots of "literally molten steel" were discovered more than a month after the collapse.

Such persistent and intense residual heat 70 feet below the surface, in an oxygen started environment, could explain how these crucial structural supports failed.

Highest temperature was 1377 degrees fahrenheit, with the steel in basement double that temperature.

You're right, I'm no expert which is why I rely on the views of those who are.

One of the shorter burning fires in the history of skyscraper fires supposedly brought down quite possibly the most overly well constructed buildings in the world. When similar fires throughout history have burned for 24 hours or longer devastating buildings far worse, they never collapse.

Not to mention WTC 7 which fell at free-fall speed, straight down, no resistance into a neat little pile.
Keep those blinkers on, your little bubble world seems a better place for it I guess..

 

[empirex]

The steel doesnt have to melt, dimwit, only lose enough of its strength in the load bearing columns to buckle under load.


It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.4 This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range.

The reason the building came down is the joists holding the floors where the impact occurred failed. Causing the floors to fall and this produced the cascading effect and is also the reason the building collapsed inwards.

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

Dimwit hey.. sheesh it's kindergarten all over again

Anyway, so you're saying that not 1, not 2, but 3 buildings collapsed back into their footprints at free-fall speed all on the same day?
You know that this would be the first time in history that it happened? Why -- because collapsing structures follow the path of least resistence, not straight back down into it's core.

All on the same day?

Once is chance, two is a pattern, three is a plan.

What is your take on WTC 7?
Why did it collapse in such dramatic, perfect, precise demolition fashion when -- no planes hit that building and no jet fuel (or did it magically enter through a window after surviving the fall and re-coalesce inside) entered the building?

 

[porchrat]

Oh no wait... empirex is one of those WTC towers "it was an inside job" conspiracy theory nutjobs?

Hilarious.

 

[empirex]

Oh no wait... empirex is one of those WTC towers "it was an inside job" conspiracy theory nutjobs?

Hilarious.

Well I wasn't before, no, until I looked a little closer Try it, follow the evidence rather than emotion, you might be surprised

 

[ToxicBunny]

Wahahahaha excuse me while I piss myself laughing... you are one of those conspiracy nutjobs who thinks the American did that to themselves? Really?

Yes, 1 building coming down is change, 2 is a pattern, 3 is a plan.... aka the plan of the fekking terrorists in those very tiny little fekking aeroplanes that hit WTC1 and WTC2

 

[porchrat]

Well I wasn't before, no, until I looked a little closer Try it, follow the evidence rather than emotion, you might be surprised

Spoken like a true nutjob.

Give me peer reviewed investigations. If all you are using are some random whackjob blogs and some youtube videos. then I'm afraid you need to go back to university to have them explain to you what does and does not constitute reliable sources.

 

[empirex]

Wahahahaha excuse me while I piss myself laughing... you are one of those conspiracy nutjobs who thinks the American did that to themselves? Really?

As I said earlier, people need to brush up on their history..

I suggest you take a real close look at Operation Northwoods.
Read it properly. Understand just what was proposed and accepted right up to the Secretary of Defence.
There's a link through Wiki to the original document orr find it here Operation Northwoods

I strongly suggest you do your homework before defending any government. For instance, just one example -- google (and research further) * Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen USS Liberty *.

Do you still think Bush never knew there weren't any Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq prior to the US invading Iraq?

If not, then how many innocent American lives have been deliberately lost in that false war???
How many innocent civilian lives???

Now do you honestly think that if they were willing to deliberately sacrifice so many innocent lives, they would not do the same in the US?

Of course it sucks, of course it's hideous, but that doesn't make it any less of a truth, which is why I took so long to accept it as such.

Yes, 1 building coming down is change, 2 is a pattern, 3 is a plan.... aka the plan of the fekking terrorists in those very tiny little fekking aeroplanes that hit WTC1 and WTC2

No, you're not listening. Remove your funny hat for a second and listen. Demolition-style collapses back into their own footprint -- three in a row... on the same day... in perfect formation.... It is the first time in history that these events occurred -- and they were all on the same day. Chance, pattern, plan.

 

[empirex]

Spoken like a true nutjob.

Give me peer reviewed investigations. If all you are using are some random whackjob blogs and some youtube videos. then I'm afraid you need to go back to university to have them explain to you what does and does not constitute reliable sources.

Spoken like a true puppet, not even looking at the evidence, yet dismissing it.
Youtube videos made by experts are still expert opinion

 

[porchrat]

Spoken like a true puppet, not even looking at the evidence, yet dismissing it.
Youtube videos made by experts are still expert opinion

No they aren't. They must be peer reviewed or at least carry references to every single piece of information presented in the video or else they are practically meaningless. Even experts can make mistakes. This is what the peer review process attempts to address.

I imagine you attended university so surely you should know this...

 

[RanzB]

They must be peer reviewed or at least carry references to every single piece of information presented in the video or else they are practically meaningless.

Not for Stu they don't. Ask him for his theory on Intelligent Design

 

[porchrat]

Not for Stu they don't. Ask him for his theory on Intelligent Design

Oh no empirex. Intelligent Design too?!? Say it ain't so!

Next empirex is going to tell me ID is a valid scientific theory. My word.

This is the downside to prolonged and ubiquitous Internet access. It allows people to adopt some kookoo ideas if they don't have the discipline to sort reliable sources from the unreliable. This is one of the tools I think science at school didn't enforce enough.

 

[daveza]

I'm guessing your visit will be a short one.

 

[Gunner182]

Not to mention WTC 7 which fell at free-fall speed, straight down, no resistance into a neat little pile.
Keep those blinkers on, your little bubble world seems a better place for it I guess..

I've been following this thread for a while and seen how you've been ridiculed lol. My only advice is to never post 'non mainstream ideas', these brainwashed idiots aren't ready for that.

And yes I'd like them to try and explain how building 7 collapsed on its own out of nowhere.

 

[daveza]

Yeah there is RFID chip stuff on their site -- but Freedom to Fascism itself deals with the cancer that is the Federal Reserve on America and it's people and the more contentious Income Tax issue.

So if one of the first things on this site is absolute bollocks I must accept the rest is all 100 % dinkum.

Right.

And for the record, what does any of this garbage have to do with Obama's eligibility - or was Obama one of the muslims involved in bringing down the WTC ?

(if you say yes I really won't be surprised. )

 

[ponder]

... or was Obama one of the muslims involved in bringing down the WTC ?

That would go down very well with the tinfoil hatters! I think you might have started a new conspiracy!

 

[empirex]

No they aren't. They must be peer reviewed or at least carry references to every single piece of information presented in the video or else they are practically meaningless. Even experts can make mistakes. This is what the peer review process attempts to address.

I imagine you attended university so surely you should know this...

Peer-reviewed? NIST ignored a peer-reviewed document sent to them asking many questions surrounding the events of 9/11 -- most notably one that asked for an explanation on how nano-thermite particles came to be found in the ruins at ground zero. They completely ignored the question!

Secondly do you know that the 9/11 commission still hasn't given a reason as to why WTC 7 collapsed??????

It just magically came crashing down in perfect demolition style into it's footprint for no reason whatsoever. A building that in areas was bomb proof and had it's own water as it housed a branch of the CIA just crumbled like it's very core, foundations and internal structure had literally shattered....

 

[zippy]

I think RFID chip in emperix is leaking mercury into his brain. How can someone be so stupid ?

 

[daveza]

How can someone be so stupid ?

When last were you in PD.

 

[empirex]

I've been following this thread for a while and seen how you've been ridiculed lol. My only advice is to never post 'non mainstream ideas', these brainwashed idiots aren't ready for that.

And yes I'd like them to try and explain how building 7 collapsed on its own out of nowhere.

Yeah, that's all you get in response, they shout "idiot, idiot, idiot" from a podium of so called "logical enlightenment". Yet ironically never really addressing some of the real issues raised like false flag events throughout human history.

No worries though, the matrix has 'em tightly wrapped up. I mean after all, Iraq still has WMD's, we just haven't found them yet right

The mainstream media? Please.
Because the anthrax post-9/11 that was distributed in fact wasn't a US Government ultra-fine, granulated, weaponised strain linked back to Fort Detrick either, right? What, did the terrorists break in and steal it

Ag, I believed the 9/11 stories for a while to. Anyway nice to see I'm not the only "nutter" on the boards :twisted: Peace.