Obama Officially Ineligible

[HapticSimian]

Here's how an ex fellow truther explains it... are you at least open to the notion that you're chasing the wind?

 

[Nick333]

Wrong, there's more than just one source reporting this.
But yeah it's early days yet, but the quotes were directly from Obama's attorney, so if she was deliberately misquoted there will be trouble. Personally I'm not invested in his eligibility either way, I'm focusing more on the character of the man if he is found to be lying.

There were no quotes from his attorny, there were just some "journolists" interpretation of what she said. If this was true Fox would be all over it.

 

[RanzB]

There were no quotes from his attorny, there were just some "journolists" interpretation of what she said. If this was true Fox would be all over it.

This has been pointed out to empirex. Unfortunately, this is his style. I've asked him point blank whether he still believes it a few times, only response has been that I'm brainwashed.

 

[porchrat]

Peer-reviewed? NIST ignored a peer-reviewed document sent to them asking many questions surrounding the events of 9/11 -- most notably one that asked for an explanation on how nano-thermite particles came to be found in the ruins at ground zero. They completely ignored the question!

Awesome! In which journal can I read this peer reviewed investigation?

Secondly do you know that the 9/11 commission still hasn't given a reason as to why WTC 7 collapsed??????

It just magically came crashing down in perfect demolition style into it's footprint for no reason whatsoever. A building that in areas was bomb proof and had it's own water as it housed a branch of the CIA just crumbled like it's very core, foundations and internal structure had literally shattered....

Neither here not there really. I never asked you what people have and have not explained. I asked for reliable evidence.

 

[Nick333]

This has been pointed out to empirex. Unfortunately, this is his style. I've asked him point blank whether he still believes it a few times, only response has been that I'm brainwashed.

Yes. I've since noticed the discussion has moved on to 911 conspiracies. I'm assuming it got here because the mainstream media lies to us and the truth can only be found on conspiracy sites that give their interpretations of what people say without quoting them directly.

 

[The_Assimilator]

I'm still waiting for empirex to tell me if Obama is a sekrit Muslim or not.

 

[empirex]

There were no quotes from his attorny, there were just some "journolists" interpretation of what she said. If this was true Fox would be all over it.

It seems that might indeed be the case.

If you go back through the thread () however, you'll notice I quoted the article itself that stated it was his attorney that said as much, contrary to what some here are suggesting.

However that same attorney suggested that the document in question was "irrelevant to his placement on the ballot".

So is this just more right-wing media lies as well:

NEW YORK, NY – After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency conducted a six-month forensic examination which determined that the image of Obama’s alleged 1961 Certificate of Live Birth posted to a government website in April, 2011 is a digital fabrication and that it did not originate from a genuine paper document...

Surely any right-minded person can see that not all is well surrounding this scenario? Provide the certificate, and shut the naysayers up once and for all! Heck, rub their faces in it too

 

[empirex]

Here's how an ex fellow truther explains it... are you at least open to the notion that you're chasing the wind?

Yeah of course. Like I've said before -- I was on the opposite side of the fence for a long time after 9/11.
I also thought truthers were a little off, then I looked closer. It's a massive paradigm shift I know, and not something you readily want to admit.

A question; do you think Bush knew there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq prior to invading?

 

[undesign]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

 

[RanzB]

So is this just more right-wing media lies as well:

What are you not understanding here? That article is nonsense. You are still using that as evidence she admitted it was a forgery? Still? The same website? How about some critical thinking?

Furthermore:

Hill, of Genova, Burn & Giantomasi Attorneys in Newark, made a desperate motion to dismiss the ballot objection arguing that Obama’s lack of natural-born citizenship status was not relevant to being placed on the New Jersey presidential ballot because no law exists in New Jersey which says that a candidate’s appearance on the ballot must be supported by evidence of natural born citizenship status. Only the U.S. constitution restricts eligibility to hold the office of president to natural born citizens.

What do you not understand?

 

[HapticSimian]

Yeah of course. Like I've said before -- I was on the opposite side of the fence for a long time after 9/11.
I also thought truthers were a little off, then I looked closer. It's a massive paradigm shift I know, and not something you readily want to admit.

From what I've seen thus far you might've spent a little more time looking at things, but I don't see that you care much for vetting your sources. I won't be drawn into this conversation though, as I view 9/11 truthers in much the same light as moon landing denialists - morons of the highest order. It's not worth discussing.

A question; do you think Bush knew there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq prior to invading?

I personally don't think Bush ever knew much of anything. The brightest pebble on the beach he is not.

 

[daveza]

The day I use the Tea Party Tribune as a reference please shoot me.

 

[empirex]

From what I've seen thus far you might've spent a little more time looking at things, but I don't see that you care much for vetting your sources. I won't be drawn into this conversation though, as I view 9/11 truthers in much the same light as moon landing denialists - morons of the highest order. It's not worth discussing.

You assume too much.
Of course America landed on the moon; and yes 9/11 was an inside job.

I personally don't think Bush ever knew much of anything. The brightest pebble on the beach he is not.

But he was smart enough to have the Patriot Act written up prior to 9/11

 

[empirex]

Awesome! In which journal can I read this peer reviewed investigation?

Published in a peer-reviewed Chemical Physics journal:

“Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen You can download the PDF from that link.

The paper ends with this sentence: “Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”

In short, the paper explodes the official story that “no evidence” exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings.

What is high-tech explosive/pyrotechnic material in large quantities doing in the WTC dust? Who made tons of this stuff and why? Why have government investigators refused to look for explosive residues in the WTC aftermath?

These are central questions raised by this scientific study.

The peer-review on this paper was grueling, with pages of comments by referees. The tough questions the reviewers raised led to months of further experiments. These studies added much to the paper, including observation and photographs of iron-aluminum rich spheres produced as the material is ignited in a Differential Scanning Calorimeter (see Figures 20, 25 and 26).

The nine authors undertook an in-depth study of unusual red-gray chips found in the dust generated during the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001. The article states: “The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 ˚C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.” The images and data plots deserve careful attention.

Neither here not there really. I never asked you what people have and have not explained. I asked for reliable evidence.

Seriously now? It's neither here nor there why WTC 7 collapsed....... okey dokey then.

 

[Nicodeamus]

How about the person that certified the steel used in the construction of the towers, is he also talking k@k....?

From the man who certified the steel used in the construction of the WTC's:



Days after writing the above, Kevin Ryan was fired.


Mark Larsow President of Controlled Demolition Incorporated reveals:




You're right, I'm no expert which is why I rely on the views of those who are.

One of the shorter burning fires in the history of skyscraper fires supposedly brought down quite possibly the most overly well constructed buildings in the world. When similar fires throughout history have burned for 24 hours or longer devastating buildings far worse, they never collapse.

Not to mention WTC 7 which fell at free-fall speed, straight down, no resistance into a neat little pile.
Keep those blinkers on, your little bubble world seems a better place for it I guess..

ROFL you are aware that there is a difference between FAHRENHEIT AND CELSIUS 2000 F = 1100 Celsius, meaning if the fires occurred at 1200 Celsius then the steel would have melted.


However steel only has to be heated up to 40% of its total strength to start necking. Then loads get superimposed and a chain effect occurs.

At 1200 degrees the elasticity (this means how far steel can stretch) actually starts to increase, with that it reaches its yield strength (the limit to which it can design) much faster then it starts necking, once it necks it can fail at lower loads than its initial strength.

Either way, you do not seem to be able to comprehend any of this, I know that it is higher grade for conspiracy nuts, but in short - you don't have a clue.

 

[empirex]

Either way, you do not seem to be able to comprehend any of this, I know that it is higher grade for conspiracy nuts, but in short - you don't have a clue.

If it makes you happy, go on believing that

 

[RanzB]

Still ignoring posts that you can't anwser, hey Stu?

 

[empirex]

Well that's my lot regards 9/11 in this thread.

To end off -- for all the mainstream media sycophants; I can see why you don't doubt their message as they seem to have psychics working for them; how else could they predict the WTC 7 collpase 30 min before it happened


[video=youtube;ltP2t9nq9fI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI[/video]

Still ignoring posts that you can't anwser, hey Stu?

No, just you.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Still ignoring posts that you can't anwser, hey Stu?

it is a common line among trolls, basic thermodynamics and common sense do not work on you, instead they will spam you with articles of 'experts' without being able to comprehend or understand what the experts are writing.

 

[RanzB]

it is a common line among trolls, basic thermodynamics and common sense do not work on you, instead they will spam you with articles of 'experts' without being able to comprehend or understand what the experts are writing.

Yup. And he fits the description to a T. Still believes that the lawyer 'admitted' it was a forgery