Obama: War sometimes justified

Is war sometimes justified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 66.7%

  • No

    Votes: 2 33.3%

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President Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize Thursday by talking about war and the limits of non-violence.

But he also praised the peacemakers of the past, and said the world can and should still strive for peace.

"Let us reach for the world that ought to be," he told the 1,000-member audience at Oslo City Hall. "Clear-eyed, we can understand that there will be war, and still strive for peace."

The Nobel committee's choice of Obama as this year's laureate sparked controversy, in part because he is a president waging two wars abroad. Obama said force is sometimes necessary, but said that is simply "a recognition of history, the imperfections of man, and the limits of reason."

"Whatever mistakes we have made, the plain fact is this: The United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms," he said. "The service of our men and women in uniform has promoted peace and prosperity from Germany to Korea, and enabled democracy to take hold in places like the Balkans."

Waging war is not a way of imposing the will of the United States on the world, he said, but a way of seeking a better future for its people.
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Is that not that the Reps always said?

Reality is kicking in.
 
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I dunno why all the news outlets are making such a big fuss of this... it is kinda just common sense.

Duh, no war is NEVER justified, we'll just let out enemies come in and rape our women!
 
Garyvdh said:
I dunno why all the news outlets are making such a big fuss of this... it is kinda just common sense.

Duh, no war is NEVER justified, we'll just let out enemies come in and rape our women!
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So you think the Iraq war was justified? Sure they told us about WMD and blah blah but now we know they lied are you still telling me it was justified?
 
As usual people will pick sentences out of a speech and then change the entire context.
 
killadoob said:
So you think the Iraq war was justified? Sure they told us about WMD and blah blah but now we know they lied are you still telling me it was justified?
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To get rid of Saddam? Absolutely. I hope they do the same think with that clown Ahmadenijad.
 
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War is never justified only the ones who can afford wars say it's justified, the average person does not choose war theyr'e just pawns, they can't afford to fight wars.

Obama never ran on a peace ticket, he said he was going to escalate the afghan war.
 
BBSA said:
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Is that not that the Reps always said?

Reality is kicking in.
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Amazing how it's changed from the U.S arrogantly imposing it's values on other countries to promoting peace and prosperity and seeking a better future for those people :rolleyes:
 
killadoob said:
So you think the Iraq war was justified? Sure they told us about WMD and blah blah but now we know they lied are you still telling me it was justified?
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The keyword is "sometimes". :)

czc said:
Yeah but if George Bush said it...
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..."sometimes". :wtf:

zippy said:
As usual people will pick sentences out of a speech and then change the entire context.
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Yep. ;)

Aqua_lung said:
War is never justified only the ones who can afford wars say it's justified, the average person does not choose war theyr'e just pawns, they can't afford to fight wars.

Obama never ran on a peace ticket, he said he was going to escalate the afghan war.
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;)

Alan said:
Amazing how it's changed from the U.S arrogantly imposing it's values on other countries to promoting peace and prosperity and seeking a better future for those people :rolleyes:
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Better than communism any day... ;)
 
I've lost all faith in the Nobel Peace prize. What a farce. "Awarded for what he has the potential todo".
 
BBSA said:
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Is that not that the Reps always said?

Reality is kicking in.
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Perhaps, but it still doesn't make it true just because Obama says it. The reality remains unchanged, even if rah-rah partisanship often blinds groupies to any truth.

I find this quote bizarre:

"Waging war is not a way of imposing the will of the United States on the world, he said, but a way of seeking a better future for its people."

Better, how? I bet the majority of "its people" disagrees with Obama's - or, for that matter, the Dems/Reps' - vision of a better future, or that spending obscene amounts to wage war on an imaginary enemy halfway accross the world, wreaking havoc, toting up collateral damage and destabilising regions will get them there.
 
Aqua_lung said:
War is never justified only the ones who can afford wars say it's justified, the average person does not choose war theyr'e just pawns, they can't afford to fight wars.
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If war is never justified how do you actually stop evil like Hitler and extremist?

or do you just let them rape your land and woman?
 
War is justified but most of the wars the US get involved in are not justified.

The US love war and nothing and nobody will change that.
 
BBSA said:
If war is never justified how do you actually stop evil like Hitler and extremist?

or do you just let them rape your land and woman?
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Hitler became the dictator he was because of war, the UK and France declared war on Germany because of Nazi aims to take back German parts of Poland, this pretty much made the Germans helpless, war is never justified, if people on both sides said no there would be no war, people don't fight it's the (insert powerful group here) that create wars not people.

There was a documentary on the last living ww1 soldier, he said the same, if people hung the ones calling for war before the first cannon was fired there would have been no wars.
 
Aqua_lung said:
Hitler became the dictator he was because of war, the UK and France declared war on Germany because of Nazi aims to take back German parts of Poland, this pretty much made the Germans helpless, war is never justified, if people on both sides said no there would be no war, people don't fight it's the (insert powerful group here) that create wars not people.

There was a documentary on the last living ww1 soldier, he said the same, if people hung the ones calling for war before the first cannon was fired there would have been no wars.
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ROFL so naive. Firstly the Nazis aims were Lebensraum and creating an empire through conquest by force if necessary. It's all there in the history books so go take a look.

Secondly your anti war hypothesis hinges on the fact that everybody is anti war. It takes only one to break your whole delusional fantasy.

Is it not time you took off that tinfoil hat and joined us here in reality?
 
Alan said:
ROFL so naive. Firstly the Nazis aims were Lebensraum and creating an empire through conquest by force if necessary. It's all there in the history books so go take a look.

Secondly your anti war hypothesis hinges on the fact that everybody is anti war. It takes only one to break done your whole delusional fantasy.

Is it not time you took off that tinfoil hat and joined us here in reality?
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The reality that Saddam had nukes? and you believed it? Oh yeah I'm the naive one.

The soviets were far worse than the nazis and the west allowed them to conquer eastern europe, how did the Soviet Empire crumble? not by war.

Wars are and have always been a tool of the rich.
 
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