MickeyD
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IMO yes.
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Official 2011 Rugby World Cup Thread
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They have. I truly find all of the dodgy decisions that have gone on behind the scenes so to speak remarkable to say the least. Even the whole ball changing incident by England that went unpunished is amazing.
MickeyD
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That was even more bizarre.... according to their own IRB RWC rules England should have been docked their points from that game and they should have been heavily fined.
killadoob
Honorary Master
Yup if we had a proper ref we would have been playing today, the NZers would have been pleased to see the aussies though because they are rubbish.
Geez NZ gave them a hiding just like we did but the difference is NZ know how to convert possession into tries, sadly we haven't been able to do that. Scoreline flattered the aussies today. Even though the ref was against us we should have gone over the line a couple times at the very minimum.
NZ don't seem to miss carter one little bit but when you can run the ball so effectively you don't need a tactical kicking genius i guess.
Geez NZ gave them a hiding just like we did but the difference is NZ know how to convert possession into tries, sadly we haven't been able to do that. Scoreline flattered the aussies today. Even though the ref was against us we should have gone over the line a couple times at the very minimum.
NZ don't seem to miss carter one little bit but when you can run the ball so effectively you don't need a tactical kicking genius i guess.
Yes.
Today's game showed us:
1) The Aussies are not good at all when there is a bit of pressure and Cooper isn't firing.
2) Genia under pressure = Shltty Cooper = Bad Aussies
3) Mr Pocock is good, but not anywhere near as effective when the ref actually penalizes him for a) Hands in the ruck and b) being off his feet.
4) The ABs have still not hit top form, as if they had they would have crushed the Aussies by 25+ points.
5) Saffa refs are amongst the best in the world (This is my opinion, but I have heard it from more than enough foreigners to believe it to be true).
As for the final, I doubt that I will enjoy it much as I can not see the current french team losing by less than 20 points come next week Sunday. I am looking forward to the 3rd place play off much more. I think if Wales play as they have they should tip the Aussies by a couple of points.
killadoob
Honorary Master
O yea i forgot about the 3rd place 
. Should be a cracker.
. Should be a cracker.
O yea i forgot about the 3rd place
Will Wales be robbed again?
sand_man
Honorary Master
NZ are going to crush France, 30 or more!! There's simply no way their preparation will be anything other than intense and they will not be taking the occasion lightly!! The French mediocrity will be cruelly exposed next Sunday...
Warburton has received a 3 week ban... as if his red card and Wales ensuing exit from the RWC wasn't sufficient punishment. WTF??!!! F ucking bureaucrats at the IRB...
Warburton has received a 3 week ban... as if his red card and Wales ensuing exit from the RWC wasn't sufficient punishment. WTF??!!! F ucking bureaucrats at the IRB...
killadoob
Honorary Master
thijei
Well-Known Member
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/news/newsid=2059257.html#craig+joubert+referee+rwc+2011+final
Craig Joubert to referee RWC 2011 Final
Craig Joubert to referee RWC 2011 Final
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Good, at least they're choosing a competent ref for the final.
Albereth
Honorary Master
Wales are still there - playing 3/4 playoff.
Warburton is lucky to get 3 weeks. The starting banis 6 weeks and he got off for his record, admitting his fault and showing remorse.
Roland got the call right, no matter what that chop Gattlin(?) thinks. It might have been over enthusiasm in the tackle but that is no excuse for dumping that Frog on his back. And it matters not if the chap was seriously hurt - a dangerous tackle is a dangerous tackle.
Albereth
Honorary Master
Watch SuperSport 1 - the game will be rescreened again. And again. And again.
Warburton cost Wales that game. Not the kickers - I promise that they weren't trying to miss.
sand_man
Honorary Master
All these spear tackles were adjudged to be worthy of no more than a yellow card. Explain to me how Warburton's, in a world cup semi final no less, is worthy of red??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YlcJ_1qXA0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpM0N...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zeyVlNJOI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZchPz1xQII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZchPz1xQII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YlcJ_1qXA0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpM0N...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zeyVlNJOI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZchPz1xQII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZchPz1xQII
Ou grote
Honorary Master
Can't watch those here, but if you have the Brad Thorn one on John Smit, the bugger didn't even get yellow.
Brad Thorn has only received 1 Yellow card in his entire career - one of the dirtiest players I've ever seen.
sand_man
Honorary Master
Agree, the tackle was dangerous! Would never try dispute that! But IMHO not worthy of the red...
Warburton's red card effectively ended the contest. That Wales got so close to winning is a tribute to them and a reflection on how s hit this French team really is.
Allain could quite easily have given a yellow card plus the penalty and both his employees and the viewing public wouldn't have questioned the decision. That he gave red changed the entire dynamic of the game and IMHO completely spoiled the occasion.
Folk are saying the rules are the rules and the occasion should have no bearing on the refs decision. I'm saying the paying public and the popularity of the sport are what enables people to make a living out of playing rugby. The world cup is a massive advertisement for the sport so when a ref shows over exuberance, acts impulsively without consulting with his touch judges, immediately red cards a player who has a reputation for playing within the rules of the sport and ruins what effectively was shaping into an amazing contest, the sport as a spectacle has become tarnished and with it its popularity.
Red carding or yellow carding the player after the dangerous tackle is not going to prevent the severe injury. That's why I consider it counter productive. Censorship needs to come but not by sending the player off the field as this changes the dynamic of the contest to the point where it now becomes potentially dangerous for the 14 playing 15.
The nature of the punishment needs to be considered:
If a yellow card is issued to the defending team in the red zone, the attacking team should be awarded a penalty try.
If a yellow card is issued any where other than the redzone the guilty party/team should concede a penalty at the prejudiced parties area of choice. So if they want to kick it over from right in front so be it. Either way the infringement results in points.
Red card results in a penalty try and a 10 minute binning of the guilty player but 14 vs 15 has to be the exception to the rule rather than the norm.
5 red cards incurred by a player equals a lifetime ban from the sport.
10 yellow cards incurred by a player equals a lifetime ban from the sport.
Warburton's red card effectively ended the contest. That Wales got so close to winning is a tribute to them and a reflection on how s hit this French team really is.
Allain could quite easily have given a yellow card plus the penalty and both his employees and the viewing public wouldn't have questioned the decision. That he gave red changed the entire dynamic of the game and IMHO completely spoiled the occasion.
Folk are saying the rules are the rules and the occasion should have no bearing on the refs decision. I'm saying the paying public and the popularity of the sport are what enables people to make a living out of playing rugby. The world cup is a massive advertisement for the sport so when a ref shows over exuberance, acts impulsively without consulting with his touch judges, immediately red cards a player who has a reputation for playing within the rules of the sport and ruins what effectively was shaping into an amazing contest, the sport as a spectacle has become tarnished and with it its popularity.
Red carding or yellow carding the player after the dangerous tackle is not going to prevent the severe injury. That's why I consider it counter productive. Censorship needs to come but not by sending the player off the field as this changes the dynamic of the contest to the point where it now becomes potentially dangerous for the 14 playing 15.
The nature of the punishment needs to be considered:
If a yellow card is issued to the defending team in the red zone, the attacking team should be awarded a penalty try.
If a yellow card is issued any where other than the redzone the guilty party/team should concede a penalty at the prejudiced parties area of choice. So if they want to kick it over from right in front so be it. Either way the infringement results in points.
Red card results in a penalty try and a 10 minute binning of the guilty player but 14 vs 15 has to be the exception to the rule rather than the norm.
5 red cards incurred by a player equals a lifetime ban from the sport.
10 yellow cards incurred by a player equals a lifetime ban from the sport.
Jola
Honorary Master
Many wrongs don't make it right !
That is a red card offence, and rightly so. However, I agree that it spoils the game.
IMO, if no injury, then :
1) Player sent off for duration of game, but may be replaced after 10 minutes.
2) Penalty try, irrespective of location of spear tackle.
If the player is injured then standard red card.
This type of tackle is too serious for a simple penalty and yellow card.
That is a red card offence, and rightly so. However, I agree that it spoils the game.
IMO, if no injury, then :
1) Player sent off for duration of game, but may be replaced after 10 minutes.
2) Penalty try, irrespective of location of spear tackle.
If the player is injured then standard red card.
This type of tackle is too serious for a simple penalty and yellow card.
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SinghDude
Chief Sports Analyst
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The ref could have taken some time to consult with the assistant referees before making up his mind. It was a world cup semi final FFS.
If it was such a dangerous tackle then Vincent Clerc would be dead.
The ref could have taken some time to consult with the assistant referees before making up his mind. It was a world cup semi final FFS.
If it was such a dangerous tackle then Vincent Clerc would be dead.
sand_man
Honorary Master
Yip, the difference is the IRB came out with a specific directive prior to the RWC that illegal tackles be dealt with in the harshest fashion. There was also mention made of offside being heavily policed as well as rucks and mauls!!!!!!!!
Incredible how there no repercussions for Bryces's attempt at blowing the SA/Aus game so what of the IRB directives??
Australia felt the repercussions against NZ in the semi's though cause the week before Pocock was effectively getting away with murder, this week Joubert blew the s hit out of him and rendered his illegal tactics mute. Must be confusing for the players...