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OzzieCapie said:
I was one of the guys that disagreed heavily with him but dont agree on the ban. Everyone is entitled to his opinion and in retrospect given the outcome and the poor bowling, can you argue that Parnell would have gone for more in opening overs, or that he wouldnt have taken wickets for example.

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He added more negative than positive utility in this sub-forum.
 
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The sad thing is that the same selection policies will persist. With only Bangladesh and England on our ODI schedule for the immediate future, we will win them easily and the selectors will think they are right, until the T20 WC comes around and shows them otherwise...
 
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WaxLyrical said:
A game shouldn't be won/lost in last over. Too many ifs, buts and shouldves. Like Picard said short pitched bowling in the start allowed McCallum to set the perfect tone. It was just a matter of keeping the rate from there. There was never pressure.

When a bit time bowler like AB comes on to bowl in a semi final of a WC something is bloody wrong.
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I agree that it shouldn't have gone anywhere close to the last over. IMHO, AB had a shocking game as captain. McCullum had just as bad a game with his captaincy only to get saved a bit on that front by the rain.

Here are some of the things that I think AB did wrong:

1) He put the wrong bowlers in at the wrong time. e.g. He should have bowled Steyn when Duminy first came on. New batsmen, attack and get them on the back foot after their good start. Also, why on earth did he wait until the 6th over to bring on Tahir with the carnage that was going on?
2) Field placings were bad. NZ got far too many boundaries in the middle overs. The rate was never given a chance to climb. Go back and look at how many good overs were ruined by a four in the last 2 balls. That often happened because he kept attacking. After 4 balls of attacking, if you have 4 dot balls, drop a couple more fielder back and give them a couple of singles. It's an instant rate increase. At one point their was an Indian commentator was beside himself saying that SA were throwing runs away.
3) Emotion. AB gets too emotional. When the crunch time hits, you need a captain that looks completely calm on the surface. He should be a beacon for the other players. AB looked almost desperate at times with his fielding.
4) Why on earth did he keep persisting with Duminy for so long. He should have brought himself in for an over much earlier. After the first time Duminy got wayward (wides, leg side balls, etc). Instead, he kept bringing Duminy back over and over and the times when he did it the pressure release was noticeable.
5) Reviewing Tahir's LBW. Again? It didn't cost anything but it could have been massive.

It's funny because he was almost perfect in the SL game. It was the first game that I think he captained like a captain. If you look back at someone like Stephen Flemming. He never had many good players but he could pull rabbits out of a hat with those players. SA have 2 of the top 3 ODI batsmen in the world and 5 of the top 28. They have 3 of the top 10 bowlers in the world, including no's 2 and 5.They are, on paper, probably the best side in the tournament. Can you imagine what someone like Flemming would have done with this side?

SA didn't choke. Things could easily have gone the other way. The dropped catch in the second last over and people might just be saying that NZ choked. The problem was that it should just never have been that tight at the end. NZ did amazingly well to chase down the big total. It just feels to me like SA let them.

SA have this habit of not looking at conditions. Leaving the big run chase to the last 20 overs is all fine and well but you need to look at the weather to see if it's a good idea first.
 
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OzzieCapie said:
I was one of the guys that disagreed heavily with him but dont agree on the ban. Everyone is entitled to his opinion and in retrospect given the outcome and the poor bowling, can you argue that Parnell would have gone for more in opening overs, or that he wouldnt have taken wickets for example.

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The problem is that his posts were borderline trolling and they often crossed that line. He would say one thing on one day and a completely contradictory thing the next, just to cause trouble.
 
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SpiderMonkey said:
The problem is that his posts were borderline trolling and they often crossed that line. He would say one thing on one day and a completely contradictory thing the next, just to cause trouble.
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In addition to that he would frequently ignore people when he was called out on some of his dubious claims, like claiming that he backed up all his arguments with stats because no one can refute stats but in the next post claimed that Jimmy Anderson is the greatest bowler alive because "stats don't tell the whole story".
 
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Whats very noticeable is the complete lack of an SA all rounder on the top 10 ODI allrounder rankings, despite the showing on that front being exceptionally poor.
 
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Whats very noticeable is the complete lack of an SA all rounder on the top 10 ODI allrounder rankings, despite the showing on that front being exceptionally poor.
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Indeed. We come from a past where we had Kallis. And at one stage we had Kallis, Klusener and Pollock.
 
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Ho3n3r said:
Indeed. We come from a past where we had Kallis. And at one stage we had Kallis, Klusener and Pollock.
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Kallis Klusener Pollock Hall McMillian Kemp

( whilst Hall and Kemp aren't brilliant, they are better than the current batch we have)
 
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SpiderMonkey said:
Whats very noticeable is the complete lack of an SA all rounder on the top 10 ODI allrounder rankings, despite the showing on that front being exceptionally poor.
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Yip.. well keep in mind that all rounders feature when your top & middle order fail and that dippenaar & philander was injured for a period games. that being said, i like that Sa is less reliant on bottom order batting but yah SA doessnt really have the same quality allrounders it did.
 
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krycor said:
Yip.. well keep in mind that all rounders feature when your top & middle order fail and that dippenaar & philander was injured for a period games. that being said, i like that Sa is less reliant on bottom order batting but yah SA doessnt really have the same quality allrounders it did.
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Are they less reliant? If so then they wouldn't have had to bowl AB.
 
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Don't know if anyone noticed but when walking up to do the toss AB was a nervous wreck. Couldn't keep his hands still. McC on the other hand was very calm. We were definitely under more pressure. NZ is never expected to win the cup but we are, always coming in as favourites.
 
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AfricanTech said:
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So!

What does that have to do with anything...

You're stirring mate and you know it
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Stirring for what?
Just stating a fact, you are stirring by blaming Philander when Steyn, who should be the main strike bowler was crap yesterday, and never did anything of note the whole tournament.
He never led the attack at the start of innings and couldnt finish it off either.

You cannot rely on what used to work and test type bowling, which is the predictable stuff he (and Vern) dished up. Look at what Boult and Starc does , and look at how Hazlewood plays his role...the batting has changed and the bowling have to make changes and react to that.
 
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We will forever wonder what difference selecting Abbott would have had on the day...
 
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sand_man said:
Beautiful, but I hate that everything has become about the world cup! Maybe because as a South African, every 4 years, it becomes the most painful month to be a supporter... :eek:

Dreamt about the team last night/morning. I was trying to console them.

SO depressed this morning...
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Life goes on mate, not the end of the world...personally, the heart they showed yesterday...rekindled my love I use to have for cricket...before the whole Hansie crap. Will always be the only team I support, and the press conference and subsequent interviews after the match...shows the hurt they are feeling....geeze man, I am not an emotional person...but I felt their eina...can now understand the passion of some Man United followers.
 
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