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Nah... we'll take him back. Bendtner will probably (read: finally!) leave at the end of the season which means Sanogo is going need some backup :twisted:

There's a fella by the name of Campbell who scored last night who's quite keen on coming back to us from loan. He's not exactly RvP quality (not many are) but he's a smidge better than Nick. Let's hope he continues to have a good season with the Greeks, and comes back to tear up the EPL.

There have, of course, been tabloid rumours of RvP wanting to come back, but it's all meh until it happens.
 
Champions League football is worth about 40mil pounds iirc. This is qualifying for the group stages.
 
Don't you wish your owners acted like Abramovich or Levy for once? LOL!!!

Sticking to coach longevity is an old school tactic. Just as old school as Moyesie's tactics.

Football should be run like a business now. At your company if your manager doesn't perform and costs the company money what do you think should happen to him?
 
Don't you wish your owners acted like Abramovich or Levy for once? LOL!!!

Sticking to coach longevity is an old school tactic. Just as old school as Moyesie's tactics.

Football should be run like a business now. At your company if your manager doesn't perform and costs the company money what do you think should happen to him?

Arsene Wenger says "hi". If you want a sound business model for a football club, look no further than Arsenal. Our trophy drought has started to make more sense to me lately. Sure, nothing in the cabinet since 2005, but we've almost paid off our stadium in that time, hence the hesistency to bring in new players. Özil's signing was proof that we're almost able to relieve ourselves of that financial burden.

I slated Wenger a lot because of a lack of transfers in the past, but looking at what he's achieved (never out of the Top 4, always qualifies for the CL) with NOTHING at his disposal is absolutely astounding. Other teams in Europe (and England, specifically) have had to take huge loans, remortgage their stadia to make transfers and pay wages, or in the case of Citeh and Chel$ki, have sugar daddy owners who treat the clubs like their personal fantasy footy teams, pumping "fake" money into the club that it hasnt actually earned. Fair Play should fix that, though.
 
Arsene Wenger says "hi". If you want a sound business model for a football club, look no further than Arsenal. Our trophy drought has started to make more sense to me lately. Sure, nothing in the cabinet since 2005, but we've almost paid off our stadium in that time, hence the hesistency to bring in new players. Özil's signing was proof that we're almost able to relieve ourselves of that financial burden.

I slated Wenger a lot because of a lack of transfers in the past, but looking at what he's achieved (never out of the Top 4, always qualifies for the CL) with NOTHING at his disposal is absolutely astounding. Other teams in Europe (and England, specifically) have had to take huge loans, remortgage their stadia to make transfers and pay wages, or in the case of Citeh and Chel$ki, have sugar daddy owners who treat the clubs like their personal fantasy footy teams, pumping "fake" money into the club that it hasnt actually earned. Fair Play should fix that, though.

The indoctrination is kicking in strongly now... ;-)

As a business yes Arsenal is a amazing model, but surely as a fan you want to see your team winning?
Not winning anything in how many years will give me sleepless nights... Not so much the profit margin of my club...
 
The indoctrination is kicking in strongly now... ;-)

As a business yes Arsenal is a amazing model, but surely as a fan you want to see your team winning?
Not winning anything in how many years will give me sleepless nights... Not so much the profit margin of my club...

Trust me, it has. It's just that not winning anything makes you question the motives behind your club not "actively" doing anything about it. If Arsenal had won a trophy with our limited on field resources, we'd possibly go down as the greatest club in the history of the EPL. But, we all know that didn't happen. Understanding a bit more about why we've had this drought has definitely taken the sting off things. I was won of those who was on the #WengerOut and "spend some ****ing money" bandwagon. It's frustrating being a Gooner no doubt: being one of the dominant teams in the league for so many years, then for almost a decade, just scraping into the CL every season. But, it's all part of the bigger picture. Much bigger than a football fan's (or player's, for that matter) desire to win a trophy: one of the best stadia in world football almost paid up and one of the biggest kit sponsorships in history. Arsenal will be a financial power house, able to sign (I hope!) some of the best players on the market using (and here's he most important thing) our OWN money. So yes, I'd have to say the frustration and heartache is probably going to be worth it, now that I understand what's been happening behind the scenes.

Of course, Arsenal PR could've handled things a bit better. "We're not seriously going to compete for anything in the next few years while we pay off our flash new stadium, so sit tight, the good times will come rolling in again when we're debt free" would've been better than just silence. Our rivals, of course, overtook us spectacularly. But we'll be back.
 
Trust me, it has. It's just that not winning anything makes you question the motives behind your club not "actively" doing anything about it. If Arsenal had won a trophy with our limited on field resources, we'd possibly go down as the greatest club in the history of the EPL. But, we all know that didn't happen. Understanding a bit more about why we've had this drought has definitely taken the sting off things. I was won of those who was on the #WengerOut and "spend some ****ing money" bandwagon. It's frustrating being a Gooner no doubt: being one of the dominant teams in the league for so many years, then for almost a decade, just scraping into the CL every season. But, it's all part of the bigger picture. Much bigger than a football fan's (or player's, for that matter) desire to win a trophy: one of the best stadia in world football almost paid up and one of the biggest kit sponsorships in history. Arsenal will be a financial power house, able to sign (I hope!) some of the best players on the market using (and here's he most important thing) our OWN money. So yes, I'd have to say the frustration and heartache is probably going to be worth it, now that I understand what's been happening behind the scenes.

Of course, Arsenal PR could've handled things a bit better. "We're not seriously going to compete for anything in the next few years while we pay off our flash new stadium, so sit tight, the good times will come rolling in again when we're debt free" would've been better than just silence. Our rivals, of course, overtook us spectacularly. But we'll be back.

Well said.
 
A number of Manchester United fans have alleged the club is threatening to suspend their season ticket for March’s derby with Manchester City… unless they buy tickets for the club’s Champions League home tie with Olympiacos.

Supporters took to Twitter to post screenshots of emails they had received from the club’s Ticketing Operations Manager headlined "Olympiacos FC payment deadline".

The message reads: "The deadline to buy your ticket for Olympiacos is 8pm Wed 26 Feb. Please note that not buying this ticket will result in your Season Ticket being suspended for the Man City game."

Manchester United do this via the Automatic Cup Scheme (ACS) which has a controversial history and once again finds itself in the spotlight.

Under the T&Cs of the ACS fans purchasing a season ticket must also agree to buy tickets for any home FA Cup and Champions League games. Fans can opt out of the League Cup but this may harm applications for away tickets and cup finals.

It appears fans have missed payments or cancelled direct debits/credit cards which means funds cannot be taken. This seems to be the club's attempt to secure payment.

Axe the ACS

Only last week it emerged that the club planned to charge “Champions League prices for Europa League seats” and include those sales in the ACS.

The Independent described the ACS as “one of the most resented features of the commercial regime under the ownership of the Glazer family”.

Back in 2008 the FSF-affiliated Independent Manchester United Supporters’ Association said it was considering taking legal action against the scheme.

In April 2009 Manchester United changed the T&Cs of its season tickets following a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) by FSF affiliates the Manchester United Supporters' Trust (MUST).

As part of this the club agreed to “a clearer appeal process… to deal with disputes over cancellation of season tickets because of non-payment for cup matches” and a “pro-rata refund of the money they have already paid to the club”.

While there’s no suggestion the club are acting illegally fans have certainly questioned whether these schemes are fair. The OFT's recommendations must be followed too.

Supporters who want a season ticket at Old Trafford now need a crystal ball to know exactly how much it’s going to cost them over the season – how on earth do you budget for that?

The FSF contacted Manchester United for clarification and comment but the club have not yet responded.

MUST are surv

http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/v...ket-for-Olympiacos-or-you-re-missing-Man-City
 
[video=youtube;qWzX2MeJyZc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWzX2MeJyZc[/video]
 
Good tactical breakdown of the above here.

Nice. And why I have always said that Rooney in the number 10 role is a massive waste to United.

But from that analysis, it still begs the question of why Moyes went with Mata- you could do a breakdown of any game that he has played for Chelsea and it would virtually mirror this one, with the difference being his coach and team mates understanding the way that he plays.

A shame that Mourinho truly felt that he could not get the best out of him in our current system, but I don't know if Moyes will, either.
 
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