Official Tri-Nations 2009 Thread

[Bizkit87]

This last game proved 1 and for all that Morne Steyn is a brilliant goal kicker thats all but yet again failed to get the backline moving it was completly dead. His Tactical kicking was also very poor as for his 31 pts all came from penalties and ofc the try I could have scored with my hands tied behind my back.

Ok, apologies to MH, your not the most biased person here...

failed to get the backline moving, IIRC we spent 60+ % of the game time in their half [more time in their 22 then they were in our half!], so guess this was just the forwards?

tactical kicking poor? he placed a cross kick perfect for J Fourie, who unfortunately could not get to the ball. [but in terms of where to place the ball with a cross kick, couldn't have done it better]

I also noticed that Morne's defense improved A LOT in the last week, he done his part there

So, BS... who should be then the flyhalf? since Morne is so sht? Didn't he prove himself in this one game? [where a lot of people said he needs to prove himself?]

and devill, kudo's on the S14 final, can't see how the backline broke a record number of tries scored in the final, with a flyhalf that "cannot get the backline moving, or causing the backline to be "dead"", maybe Fourie skipped passed Morne on every try?

o no, that would mean Wynand/Jaco put the backline away, surely they can't do it? maybe Fourie skipped pass all the way to Habanna?

and for the "as for his 31 points all came from penalties and 'hands behind back try'" - if its that easy, why doesn't it happen every game?????

on another note, that poor 21 year old oke from NZ sure had a tough time against beast... was quite funny to see that....

 

[BrianStephan]

U must be a true Blue Bulls supporter because its so easy to see the backline was dead and if I am not mistaken his cross kick did result in a try. Also Morne had a open goal line he didnt have to do much to score the try. Also u cant compare Super 14 to Test matches they way diffrent when it come to pressure. I agree he did his part very well and his goal kicking was excellent plus his defence was way better but thats where it ends

 

[I am Penguin]

U must be a true Blue Bulls supporter because its so easy to see the backline was dead and if I am not mistaken his cross kick did result in a try. Also Morne had a open goal line he didnt have to do much to score the try. Also u cant compare Super 14 to Test matches they way diffrent when it come to pressure. I agree he did his part very well and his goal kicking was excellent plus his defence was way better but thats where it ends

Depends! Speaking for myself, I am a SHARK supporter. Then Spring"bucks". No point in losing track with an exceptional performance.

Well done Morne' most true Rugby supporters respect what you achieved, even abroad in NZ. Only some sour "..." will not give you the credit deserved. Keep up the good work!

 

[Sting]

+1

/Sharks' supporter
/Respect

 

[BrianStephan]

Lol I am not by far sour its an open thread and I said what I saw over the weekend. I am a die hard Sharks Supporter and IMO Ruan Pienaar's kicking at this moment is shocking but his tactical thinking and moving of the backline is just by far better than Morne Steyn's. Taking nothing away from MS 31 pts he scored. I have nothing against any players and MS deserves to be in the SA side.

 

[Bizkit87]

Depends! Speaking for myself, I am a SHARK supporter. Then Spring"bucks". No point in losing track with an exceptional performance.

Well done Morne' most true Rugby supporters respect what you achieved, even abroad in NZ. Only some sour "..." will not give you the credit deserved. Keep up the good work!

That's just the thing thats getting to me today....

Morne did something very special on saturday [how long did the 29 points in tri-nations rugby stand? or the 22 points vs NZ for an SA player?], and SOME people on here act as if it was "lucky/boring/easy"... just acknowledge that he did something special for SA rugby, and that he might be considered now as a starting fly half

[taking nothing away from Ruan, but he's not the one we are discussing today]

should Ruan play next week, and break the record... i will give him as much praise as Morne now deserves...

so get over the whole Bulls flyhalf vs Sharks flyhalf, and give praise for THE SPRINGBOK FLYHALF that did something amazing, something we as supporters should be proud of!

To compare it to cricket, Take something special [Brian Lara's 500*, or more recently JP's 166 in AUS]

when you look at the highlights of their innings, are you going to judge them for the two/three play & misses they had? or perhaps a lucky boundry when he was on 12* through the slips?

NO! you are going to say what an amazing feat it was, and how brilliantly they played!

 

[BrianStephan]

What MS achieved was wonderful and he deserves every credit for it and has my support all the way. But thats not what I am trying to say we have weaknesse's in our team and if the if Australia exploits those we are in serious trouble and I am looking not at just this weekend's game but the last 3 games MS has played. He could be playing for Griquas for all that I care.

 

[sand_man]

What MS achieved was wonderful and he deserves every credit for it and has my support all the way. But thats not what I am trying to say we have weaknesse's in our team and if the if Australia exploits those we are in serious trouble and I am looking not at just this weekend's game but the last 3 games MS has played. He could be playing for Griquas for all that I care.

Is the side stronger with MS starting or Ruan? IMO it's stronger with MS starting

Ozzies would exploit Ruan's poor goal kicking more than they lightly to exploit MS poor distribution skills. Think about it... They would infringe with impunity and safe in the knowledge that Ruan will more than lightly miss 58% of the shots at goal...

 

[Kabraal]

U must be a true Blue Bulls supporter because its so easy to see the backline was dead and if I am not mistaken his cross kick did result in a try. Also Morne had a open goal line he didnt have to do much to score the try. Also u cant compare Super 14 to Test matches they way diffrent when it come to pressure. I agree he did his part very well and his goal kicking was excellent plus his defence was way better but thats where it ends

Perhaps that's the truth but then again a S14 semi and final against the bulk of the all blacks with a packed stadium and rabit fans does raise the pressure don't cha think? Surely if you make it stick there it's only a matter of time before you can make the leap to test level.

People forget that this is pretty much Morne's 1st proper test for the boks. He has jack **** test level experience and this is how he performs? This is his first game with the bok back line and pack and he performs like this? Nah dude... get it right. The oke's here to play and win. Not to **** around with creative BS we rarely see anyway.

As for people still thinking he's Jannie de Beer I don't have any advice for you nor do I wish to argue it further. All I can say is stop reading .co.kzn interweb blogz, watch boots and all and importantly.... consentrate.

I say FOR NOW start with Steyn. He is the form player and lets win this 3N. Chuck out Januarie and let Ruan play his way through the bench. Let him be the Danie Roussouw of the backline. I mean what do you want to do? Do you want to win test matches like we've won them over the past centuary or wait for the odd "we have creative 10 like NZ lulz lala land" boks?

Morne can get his backline moving. Klaar. Watch the re runs instead of pulling junk from your arse. Why the hell do you think Olivier was so good in the S14? Morne.

If there is one thing Ruan will pawn Steyn with is coming from the bench filling the cracks in the back line. He is a impact player and doens't need all that much confidence to perform.

 

[BrianStephan]

Kabraal whether MS got the backline moving in the super 14 is not the point he is not getting it right for the Springboks thats what I am saying. Like I said before Ruan's Goal kicking is pathetic and needs lots of work. Let me ask u this then (1st) Test when Ruan Pienaar left the field and MS came on did you see anything from the backline at all?

 

[killadoob]

Brian people keep going back to the first all black game, both halfs are not identical in the way they play out.

Do you think the first 40 minutes and the second 40 minutes are exactly the same? So comparing what ruan did in one half and what steyn did in another is ridiculous man.

FFS steyn threw away 11 points in that game(half) yet you harp on morne, smacks of bias if you ask me. Had ruan stayed on there is a good chance we would have lost.

 

[Kabraal]

did you see anything from the backline at all?

The point is it isn't/wasn't bad by any means. And he kicked the ABs to death. Do you want to win tests or take a gamble and hope that we can someday emulate the AB backline? Cause people have been talking about this for a decade and it has NEVER happend. Rather stick with what we're good at.

I'll give you one thing though. Steyn propably can't score scrummie tries like Ruan can.

And common man listen to yourself. And the guy has 5 tests under his belt with only one proper run. ONE. Don't you think you should cut him some slack? Saturday was his first game in the starting bok back line. He's first start with JdV and Fourie on his outside. FFS his First!!!

I'll ask you again. Why do you think Olivier (which imo is pretty a average centre) was suddenly as good as he was in the S14? Why all those tries? Because he had a revalation or something? Nah a lot of that credit goes to Steyn.

All I'm saying is... Morne has one proper test on what we can rate him. ONE. He does have a dozen S14 runs and I'll tell you he is not the Jannie de Beer or Willem de Waal some people make him out to be. That's media hogwash thought up to try and compare the two.

Again I know S14 vs Test rugby is not a fair comparison. But do you really think the Bulls played Bull Heyneke rugby this S14 season? Nah.... their backline scored tries all over the park. Steyn

Think about it and give the guy a chance before you judge him on the 160min on rugby he has been given so far. 160 mins of which he played a pivotal role btw.

 

[BrianStephan]

Well as u guys said it if I argue then I am the bad guy so Morne Steyn For The Win

 

[LancelotSA]

And common man listen to yourself.

I'm not going to comment on the rest as we are rehashing the same points over and over and those of us sitting on opposite sides of the Morne bandwagon will not see eye to eye any time soon!

BUT... it does not matter as I could not read it all as I spotted that you committed the ultimate sin when it comes to grammar (well in my eyes anyway) and went and typed COMMON in place of what I assume is meant to be COME ON!! Where the bloody hell does that come from? Read your sentence again. You called him a common man! IT IS COME ON! It cannot be abbreviated as common! Common is another word altogether!

And to the Afrikaners out there who get offended by grammar corrections, this one is often perpetrated by "Engels manne".

 

[OzzieCapie]

Dude honestly bakkies is a legend and nothing will change anyone's mind about him.

His yellow card was something he had too take or the AB's would have scored a try.

AB's may seem like they are playing poorly but i think it is more a case of us putting so much pressure on them, that they do not know how to handle it.

What happened to dan carter?

I don't expect anything said by a poster called OzzieCapie will carry much weight even if Bakkies comitted murder on the field.
The first part indicates I have left the shores and as for the second I know you think all 'kaapies' back the AB's

As for AB's poor options...running the ball out of your 22 is not due to pressure...if that were the case you kick it don't you?

 

[Kabraal]

BUT... it does not matter as I could not read it all as I spotted that you committed the ultimate sin when it comes to grammar (well in my eyes anyway) and went and typed COMMON in place of what I assume is meant to be COME ON!

Har har har... well played ****box

 

[killadoob]

I don't expect anything said by a poster called OzzieCapie will carry much weight even if Bakkies comitted murder on the field.
The first part indicates I have left the shores and as for the second I know you think all 'kaapies' back the AB's

As for AB's poor options...running the ball out of your 22 is not due to pressure...if that were the case you kick it don't you?

That is how they play, dan carter could help them yes but the all blacks generally don't kick, they almost scored a couple tries by running from their 22, only some last gasp tackles stopped them at times.

 

[sand_man]

As for AB's poor options...running the ball out of your 22 is not due to pressure...if that were the case you kick it don't you?

mmmm... depends on how you interpret the psychology of the AB rugby player, they're under pressure from just about every quarter. You could argue that they have so much to prove being the no 1 ranked team. They played like a side under pressure to make all the plays and show the initiative. They tried to force everything instead of being patient and circumspect. I don't think I've ever seen an AB side under so much pressure ozzie, on the field, on the scoreboard, in the press at home and locally, on the training ground. This is possibly the weakest AB side in history....

 

[killadoob]

Yup without a doubt, i don't think they are ranked number anymore though.

 

[sand_man]

Nope, that spot belongs to the Boks!!!!