On the road costs

its not unsafe, its just that when going over bumps or holes you hear loud noises.

And if the suspension collapses as a result of this? Still not unsafe? What happens if this happens under emergency braking, which is probably when it will break with the stresses and murphy and all that, and she ends up in an accident because of this?

Just STFU, get the car fixed and carry on with your life. Cars aren't investments, they are money pits. The sooner you realize this, the better.
 
It will cost you less to buy the shock mountings and ask the to refund and fit them for you. Lawyers will cost you a lot. Dont be stubborn. Just follow what the masses are saying.

It is your responsibility to fix the car as your SO is driving it daily.

I am not stubborn, why would i bent over backwards for something i have paid for. you have a typical SA mentality to just take it from behind. who says i have money to pay for the rubbers and for the labour and then struggling afterwards to get my money back from these suckers.
 
I am not stubborn, why would i bent over backwards for something i have paid for. you have a typical SA mentality to just take it from behind. who says i have money to pay for the rubbers and for the labour and then struggling afterwards to get my money back from these suckers.

refer to comments on #21.
 
I am not stubborn, why would i bent over backwards for something i have paid for. you have a typical SA mentality to just take it from behind. who says i have money to pay for the rubbers and for the labour and then struggling afterwards to get my money back from these suckers.

Makes more sense to let your wife drive an "unsafe" car I suppose.

Not just a racist, a cheap racist :whistle:
 
Firstly, was there a voetstoots clause in your sale agreement? If so, what specifics were listed as defects, specifically material defects? If none, then you have 6 months within which to return the car should a material defect be discovered that was not disclosed in the sale agreement, at which stage you as the buyer can demand repair, replacement or refund. That is the protection afforded to second hand sales through a dealership or business. Doesn't apply to private sales. So check your contact.

On another note, I always wondered who bought Tatas. Makes sense now...
 
Firstly, was there a voetstoots clause in your sale agreement? If so, what specifics were listed as defects, specifically material defects? If none, then you have 6 months within which to return the car should a material defect be discovered that was not disclosed in the sale agreement, at which stage you as the buyer can demand repair, replacement or refund. That is the protection afforded to second hand sales through a dealership or business. Doesn't apply to private sales. So check your contact.

On another note, I always wondered who bought Tatas. Makes sense now...

Nothing was disclosed as faulty. i will have to read the contract details, but to my knowledge nothing was mentioned about any issues with the car. the problem is that those rubbers is obviously putting strain on the tyres, which will start humming and cause flatspots which will eventually have to be replaced after a couple of months.

they need to replace the indicator switch box, it keeps kicking back when you flip it, changing of a few bulps that have popped also. the biggest issue is the rear rubbers.

is there any way i can force them to replace the whole shock or just the rubbers. there is no way of seeing that the shocks are done without taking them out and sending them to gabriel for proper testing. its got about 75 000km on the clock and the previous owner travelled alot on gravel road which i could pickup underneath the car. shocks are quite expenisve.
 
I am not stubborn, why would i bent over backwards for something i have paid for. you have a typical SA mentality to just take it from behind. who says i have money to pay for the rubbers and for the labour and then struggling afterwards to get my money back from these suckers.

Nope. The mentality here is to get the car safe and roadworthy before it causes human loss and worry about getting cash back and all that after. You keep saying it isn't unsafe, but your suspension is a critical part in keeping the car on the road, any type of issue there needs to be fixed ASAP.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Cool E.... :)
 
I just spoke to the sales guy and he said that he will speak to his boss about the first 2 issues, but he told me that the car went for roadworthy and it did pass with them and said that they did not find any problem with it. My concern is that if you drive and hit a bump in the road then you can feel like a hard knock. it is driveable, but its going to wear the tyres out very quickly and the tyres will have to be replaced all the time. Tyres are not cheap anymore. I also hear that the car does not have shocks at the rear, but only springs.

I just want to know if the dealer must replace it since its not condusive to drive like that for a long time. since we only picked up the car yesterday, we have a right to tell them about replacing the springs while we can still take the car back and tell them that she is not interested in the car anymore, meaning they got no leg to stand on.

If it was only springs, there shouldn't be any shock mountings. And BTW, if you can't see whether there is only springs or if there is indeed a shock in there. Then you are in no way qualified to assume the car is safe to use.
 
Nothing was disclosed as faulty. i will have to read the contract details, but to my knowledge nothing was mentioned about any issues with the car. the problem is that those rubbers is obviously putting strain on the tyres, which will start humming and cause flatspots which will eventually have to be replaced after a couple of months.

they need to replace the indicator switch box, it keeps kicking back when you flip it, changing of a few bulps that have popped also. the biggest issue is the rear rubbers.

is there any way i can force them to replace the whole shock or just the rubbers. there is no way of seeing that the shocks are done without taking them out and sending them to gabriel for proper testing. its got about 75 000km on the clock and the previous owner travelled alot on gravel road which i could pickup underneath the car. shocks are quite expenisve.

It couldn't have passed road worthiness without working indicators so call them out on that one. Not sure if the lack of rubbers on the shocks count as a material defect though. You could always push your luck with that.

Check your contract. You should never have signed without reading it properly...
 
I also had issues with a vehicle I bought from a dealership not so long ago - issues which became apparent after the contract was signed; partly my fault for not having an AA test done before buying or at least having it checked out by someone with more knowledge on cars than myself, but circumstances at the time didn't permit this to be done - so:

The car was in and out of the workshop about 4 times over the space of the first two months on the dealership's account, each time they fix something but break something else in the process, or didn't fix the issues to my satisfaction, so eventually I phoned up the dealership and told them that they need to fix all the issues with the car for good or give me my money back.

I then did research on the CPA and what it allows buyers to do in situations where they're unhappy with a product purchased i.t.o. the initial 6-month warranty period. The "crappy" thing (for buyers!) about the CPA is that it protects seller as much as buyer, unless it's a private sale, so you can't just decide that you don't want/cant afford/whatever a car any longer and return it to the dealership under some BS excuse.

I contacted the Motor Industry Ombudsman and was advised that returning a product you're not happy with isn't simply as easy as going to the shop and demanding your money back.

You need to show that the product stopped performing its intended purpose and that it failed under normal usage (e.g. a kettle that stopped boiling water or a cd player that stopped playing cd's) within the first six months of purchase and then you have to return it to the shop with your proof of purchase, and you'll have the choice of a) receiving a replacement unit, b) having the shop repair the broken unit for you, or c) getting your money back.

With cars, proving breakdown and shifting the blame to the dealership's not as simple as with a household item.

My angle was that within the first 6 months since purchase, I had so many issues with the car, it was in the workshop so many times for things that should've been fixed before it was sold that it was clearly a defective product, and I wanted to return it based on what the CPA allows.

The Ombudsman advised that in the situation of a vehicle purchase, you first need to highlight your concerns to the dealer principal and see if you can come to some kind of agreement on what needs to be repaired/replaced. If the DP agrees, the dealership will get the repairs done and said repairs will carry a 6-month warranty period. If the repaired item/part fails again in this 6-month repair warranty period, it has to be repaired again at the dealership's cost.

In the event that the DP is hard-arsed about the situation, you may submit a complaint to the Motor Industry Ombudsman, but this process will take time (months, even a year or more, more than likely).

It not just as simple as giving a vehicle back to the dealership and wanting your money back. The DP will have to agree to buy back the vehicle and settle the account with the bank, minus a fair amount for wear-and-tear for the period you had the car.

In my experience, dealerships will do anything in their power to move stock and will not easily take back a vehicle, especially if all sorts of issues with the car are now highlighted, because they'd have to sell that car to someone else.

In my situation, I discussed all the issues I had with the car, highlighting everything I'm unhappy about to the DP, asking that he repairs the car under the dealership warranty and the 6-month CPA warranty period. I mentioned often that I have contacted the ombudsman and that I'm looking at the CPA to see what my options are on returning the vehicle to the dealership.

Long story less long, the dealership had my list of issues repaired at their cost (only took them about 3 months solid, during which I didn't have the car) but all the issues were sorted out, as far as I could see.

I'm now looking to sell the car.
 
I also had issues with a vehicle I bought from a dealership not so long ago - issues which became apparent after the contract was signed; partly my fault for not having an AA test done before buying or at least having it checked out by someone with more knowledge on cars than myself, but circumstances at the time didn't permit this to be done - so:

The car was in and out of the workshop about 4 times over the space of the first two months on the dealership's account, each time they fix something but break something else in the process, or didn't fix the issues to my satisfaction, so eventually I phoned up the dealership and told them that they need to fix all the issues with the car for good or give me my money back.

I then did research on the CPA and what it allows buyers to do in situations where they're unhappy with a product purchased i.t.o. the initial 6-month warranty period. The "crappy" thing (for buyers!) about the CPA is that it protects seller as much as buyer, unless it's a private sale, so you can't just decide that you don't want/cant afford/whatever a car any longer and return it to the dealership under some BS excuse.

I contacted the Motor Industry Ombudsman and was advised that returning a product you're not happy with isn't simply as easy as going to the shop and demanding your money back.

You need to show that the product stopped performing its intended purpose and that it failed under normal usage (e.g. a kettle that stopped boiling water or a cd player that stopped playing cd's) within the first six months of purchase and then you have to return it to the shop with your proof of purchase, and you'll have the choice of a) receiving a replacement unit, b) having the shop repair the broken unit for you, or c) getting your money back.

With cars, proving breakdown and shifting the blame to the dealership's not as simple as with a household item.

My angle was that within the first 6 months since purchase, I had so many issues with the car, it was in the workshop so many times for things that should've been fixed before it was sold that it was clearly a defective product, and I wanted to return it based on what the CPA allows.

The Ombudsman advised that in the situation of a vehicle purchase, you first need to highlight your concerns to the dealer principal and see if you can come to some kind of agreement on what needs to be repaired/replaced. If the DP agrees, the dealership will get the repairs done and said repairs will carry a 6-month warranty period. If the repaired item/part fails again in this 6-month repair warranty period, it has to be repaired again at the dealership's cost.

In the event that the DP is hard-arsed about the situation, you may submit a complaint to the Motor Industry Ombudsman, but this process will take time (months, even a year or more, more than likely).

It not just as simple as giving a vehicle back to the dealership and wanting your money back. The DP will have to agree to buy back the vehicle and settle the account with the bank, minus a fair amount for wear-and-tear for the period you had the car.

In my experience, dealerships will do anything in their power to move stock and will not easily take back a vehicle, especially if all sorts of issues with the car are now highlighted, because they'd have to sell that car to someone else.

In my situation, I discussed all the issues I had with the car, highlighting everything I'm unhappy about to the DP, asking that he repairs the car under the dealership warranty and the 6-month CPA warranty period. I mentioned often that I have contacted the ombudsman and that I'm looking at the CPA to see what my options are on returning the vehicle to the dealership.

Long story less long, the dealership had my list of issues repaired at their cost (only took them about 3 months solid, during which I didn't have the car) but all the issues were sorted out, as far as I could see.

I'm now looking to sell the car.

Who reimbursed you with alternative transport arrangements, petrol, phone calls, etc?
 
Ok, got an update.

Called the CPA and lodged a complaint, but what a total waist of time. have not heard a word from them, faking useless kants.

So i called the salesman and telling him that i have been in touch with the CPA and that they are on them already just to skrik them. guy tell mw to bring the car in a day or 2. the guy that was supposed to import the rubbers told me that he waited almost 2 months for the sales guy to get back to him. he said he sms myself and the sales dude a message that the rubbers came. I phoned the guy and he told me the rubbers were sold already. Later the day he sommer found another pair and told me to come in on the weekend.

So went the Saturday to replace the rubbers, we found out that the shocks were totally fakked as i suspected. back to the sales guy and told him to arrange a curtiousy car until the car is done. i've had it with these idiots. waiting for him to call me when he is gonna pickup the car. he needs to speak to his boss first.
 
Just remind me never to sell a car to you. :rolleyes:

We deal with problems every day, and you would be totally amazed how the ones involving people who treat us like human beings, actually sort themselves out fairly quickly.

On a personal note, I had a problem with a used car in 2010. Instead of ranting and raving, and threatening the dealership with CPA, I sat down with the Sales Manager and salesman, and discussed the problems that I was having. Within half an hour I had a courtesy car that I used for a month, whilst they found me a replacement car.

Amazing how a little understanding, and accepting that we are human, and that things can go wrong, helps.
 
Ok, got an update.

Called the CPA and lodged a complaint, but what a total waist of time. have not heard a word from them, faking useless kants.

So i called the salesman and telling him that i have been in touch with the CPA and that they are on them already just to skrik them. guy tell mw to bring the car in a day or 2. the guy that was supposed to import the rubbers told me that he waited almost 2 months for the sales guy to get back to him. he said he sms myself and the sales dude a message that the rubbers came. I phoned the guy and he told me the rubbers were sold already. Later the day he sommer found another pair and told me to come in on the weekend.

So went the Saturday to replace the rubbers, we found out that the shocks were totally fakked as i suspected. back to the sales guy and told him to arrange a curtiousy car until the car is done. i've had it with these idiots. waiting for him to call me when he is gonna pickup the car. he needs to speak to his boss first.

What dealership is this? Name and shame..

So we can send them to this thread and they can call your bluff....
 
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