Open letter to iBurst

OK, thanks for the feedback. What is a realistic price to pay for a modem?

I think broadband modems in SA is grossly overpriced, especially the Huawei products sold by the cellphone networks. As a regular traveller to Asia, one can pick these up for the equivalent of a few hunderd rand, whereas the cash prices here is around the R2000 mark.

Having said that, I do not believe that the iBurst cost model should depend heavily on the profits made from the selling of modems (or am I wrong?). Its core business should be the selling of bandwidth, and this is where its profits should lie.

So, I believe an iBurst modem should be offered to prospective clients at cost (or as close to) , where the cost is a price per modem landed in SA.

iBurst currently asks around R960 (over a 24 month period) for a UTD device, and around half that for the USB modem. I'd say chop those in half to make them look attractive to customers as a upfront purchase. And then allow up to 2 devices (say 1 x UTD and 1 x USB device) to be linked to one account as I am sure most customers would need access to the internet both at home and on the road, without needing 2 separate accounts.

My 2 cents...
 
I think broadband modems in SA is grossly overpriced, especially the Huawei products sold by the cellphone networks. As a regular traveller to Asia, one can pick these up for the equivalent of a few hunderd rand, whereas the cash prices here is around the R2000 mark.

Having said that, I do not believe that the iBurst cost model should depend heavily on the profits made from the selling of modems (or am I wrong?). Its core business should be the selling of bandwidth, and this is where its profits should lie.

So, I believe an iBurst modem should be offered to prospective clients at cost (or as close to) , where the cost is a price per modem landed in SA.

iBurst currently asks around R960 (over a 24 month period) for a UTD device, and around half that for the USB modem. I'd say chop those in half to make them look attractive to customers as a upfront purchase. And then allow up to 2 devices (say 1 x UTD and 1 x USB device) to be linked to one account as I am sure most customers would need access to the internet both at home and on the road, without needing 2 separate accounts.

My 2 cents...

You can already link two modems to one account.
 
I think broadband modems in SA is grossly overpriced, especially the Huawei products sold by the cellphone networks. As a regular traveller to Asia, one can pick these up for the equivalent of a few hunderd rand, whereas the cash prices here is around the R2000 mark.

Having said that, I do not believe that the iBurst cost model should depend heavily on the profits made from the selling of modems (or am I wrong?). Its core business should be the selling of bandwidth, and this is where its profits should lie.

So, I believe an iBurst modem should be offered to prospective clients at cost (or as close to) , where the cost is a price per modem landed in SA.

iBurst currently asks around R960 (over a 24 month period) for a UTD device, and around half that for the USB modem. I'd say chop those in half to make them look attractive to customers as a upfront purchase. And then allow up to 2 devices (say 1 x UTD and 1 x USB device) to be linked to one account as I am sure most customers would need access to the internet both at home and on the road, without needing 2 separate accounts.

My 2 cents...

I agree with you but would take it a bit further if I was Iburst I would even go as far as to subsidize the modems because Iburst is in the unique position that you cannot use their modems on any other network.
 
OK, thanks for the feedback. What is a realistic price to pay for a modem?

Many years ago there was a saying "Free with every pack of Kellogs":D

The call should be how much bandwidth will iBurst sell with every cheapie modem sold. Does iBurst want to be present in every second home in its coverage area or not?

Me personally would look at sub-R300 for a desktop modem - especially as it is already quite a while in the market, and speeds have not increased. Also the modem is quite primitive (No WiFi of 4-port Ethernet) which should make it much cheaper than most competitor products.

Also, the combo of data and hardware cost would be taken into account by many. If one has a 3G modem, how much pre-paid data must one consume to make up for the difference in data rates between iBurst, Telkom, Neotel, Vodacom, MWeb to make it worth the while to switch to iBurst? All provide fixed base fast(ish) internet connectivity (mobility is not worth a premium to many).

The major stumbling block for uptake is the lack of excitement on the brand iBurst similar to Voda/MTN. Also the admin/billing bumbling of iBurst is better known than the technical stability of the product where there is brand awareness.

iBurst is missing a major marketing opportunity: The cheapest and fastest Internet connection in the 1GB bandwidth per month class...and you don't even need a landline at additional cost! Pity that ADSL is now slightly cheaper for the first MegaByte if one needs a Telkom line anyway.

BTW: I love the iBurst desktop modem without any wifi etc - it leaves it open to the user to connect it to his own WiFi WAN/LAN router.
 
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The cost of iBurst's modems is extortionate. I forked over R2000 in 2006 for the PCMCIA model, which is now pretty much obsolete. I'm upgrading to a new laptop soon with the new express card slot, so I'm faced with the problem of acquiring a new iBurst modem. Since there's no trade-in option, I'm either going to have to pay over another R3000 for a new one, or sign a 24-month contract. I'm not happy about this at all. R5000 on modems? That's just absurd.
 
tough thread :) I must say.

What i do read inbetween the lines is the following.

Shawn has been doing excellent work trying to sort out all the niggles/issues, Iburst is now under new Management also trying to Fix problems from the past and looking forward with a positive attitude. (Services, New Products etc)

Unfortunately these 2 guys are now suffering the wrath of all the Old Clients that had suffered through various issues for the past few years.


Iburst is changing but will not happen overnight.


I've been with Iburst for the Past 5months, all i cans say is : Keep up the good Work.

True Napalm. I was thinking about it this morning. It's clear, also, that both Shaun and Jannie Van Zyl are liked here on this forum. I have no problem with Shaun (nor Jannie), especially since I am more and more certain that it was Shaun who, in 2006, listened to my appeal and gave me the refund. Then already people knew that he was the go-to guy around here. I was then using a pseudonym here, which I can't remember (!), and I am sure there's a post where I ask around for a telephone number or something that would lead me to calling him.

And, as you say, it is unfortunate that Jannie, as new CEO, has to bear or does bear the brunt of past customers' irritation and anger; so I was thinking that it is unfortunate that it seems that he is a target of my anger.

So let me say this first, categorically: I remain entirely pissed off with the way my story has gone, and I remain pissed off that that story is just one story in an overwhelming plethora of similar stories, pointing to what we all know is (I won't say has been) accounting incompetence on an absurd scale. So, I am pissed of not because my story is an individual oddity; I am pissed off because, on the evidence of ongoing wide-scale incompetence, an old story has quite unsuspectingly appeared on my blissful horizon. As I said before: a bad break-up has, 3 years later, been replayed, for the second time, when you thought the first replay, 2 years after the bad break up, was definitely the last replay. It was on VHS, an old, obsolete format, that first replay. But lo and behold, they've transferred it to Blue-ray or whatever new format and here they are, forcing you to watch another replay. No, to re-live it.

But, categorically, I am pissed off with the iBurst that existed on 16 July 2009. Categorically, I am pissed with a corporation whose ridiculously bad habits had, in my experience, been in existence since 2006, and, based on reportage all over the net, here and elsewhere, had existed prior to that. I am pissed off because those bad habits touched me, again when I had long ago exorcised its toxins (how many times do I have to make this point?).

Excuse my Tagalog, and forgive my crude sexism, but it grates my tits (yes it does, and it shocks me that I am capable of using this phrase, which I have never used before) that this all happens then in a company which up until now, in the broader public's eye, had been run by a boss who had the absolutely naive but perverted gumption to write such godawful **** [faeces] as Don't Panic. Don't panic, everything will be just super-dandy again, while, as I said, there have been an ongoing, loud gnashing of teeth among Don't Panic's customers. People should get that point: bosses now, like politicians, want to be celebrities, and, it seems, they don't give a f--k about how they disempower the people whose hard-earned money ultimately pay their salaries. (Buy Ricoffee!? He should go tell that to the f--king birds.)

That shows - are we surprised? - a massive, cosmological, light-year long disconnect between company boss and customers in the case of iBurst. Disconnects between big companies and customers (or big organisations and their members) are not unusual at all, but in iBurst's case any sane person who knows and has experience of it has to admit that the disconnect is something special. And the contrast between the feel-good twaddle that company bosses enthralled to their own misguided, quasi-philosophical pretensions like to dabble in, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, the anger and disempowerment their customers flounder in and of which bosses remain blissfully unaware - clearly wilfully - this contrast is a chiaroscuro that not even God, in his infinite wisdom, can have ever imagined. Night and day, black and white - these don't come anywhere near it.

Hyperbole yes, but I tell you, even if you are bored with hearing about complaints against iBurst, look at the comments on HelloPeter. Consider the contrast between people's disempowerment and desperation there, and the civil, joky, chummy-chummy exchanges between users and representatives of iBurst here at MyBroadBand. People who know where to look for information (like us on this forum) can gain some form of empowerment, and therefore relief, from iBurst's incompetence. But you cannot disregard the disempowerment of people simply because they don't know that here, on MBB, they can gain access to a helpful iBurst representative and even, of late, its new CEO.

Which leads me to these rhetorical and not original questions: Why can people not use and receive the same level of service simply from posting at iBurst's own site? Why do you have to raise a stink at HelloPeter first? Or be part of a coterie at MBB?

So, categorically, my complaint is not against Shaun. My complaint, as I've indicated above, is not against the new CEO per se. But Jannie has responded to me and he is now the CEO of a company with an unfortunate history, of which I am just one individual who shares in that misfortune.

But his responses to me should be read in this context: he has been a long time member - under a different guise - at MBB. In other words, at MBB he is largely an MBB member, and not the CEO of iBurst. By this I mean that a history of his interactions here, prior to being CEO at iBurst, will govern how other people treat him and cover for him. He is, in short and in the main, among a group of buddies. That is the nature of these forums. It produces a different persona.

I am not sure whether interactions between me and Shaun, and between me and Jannie, here on this forum, is appropriately business-like (by this I mean that it is different from say, talking across a desk in an office, business-like; it's a point about context). All in all, members here - and people who know to look here - are part of a fortunate coterie who happen to have access to two iBurst representatives and who thus can have a greater fortune in getting their problems seen to quickly. But that does not erase the larger problems for the overwhelming majority of people who have experienced and still experience problems with iBurst.

So I am not convinced that their presence here is good or is a sign that things will necessarily change at iBurst, that the disconnect will be overcome. In terms of marketing research, I'm not sure how significant the sample at MBB of exchanges between members and iBurst is. But I would venture to say that the sample at HelloPeter is a better sample about complaints. The sample here at MBB may be skewed by the relationships between people; newbies may say harsh words, but in this thread, for instance, there have been several posts covering for iBurst.

But imagine the number of people who have not heard of HelloPeter, imagine that sample. One can often judge from the HelloPeter complaints that many people are perhaps older and not quite in the loop of technology. One can then infer that there must be another group of people outside the fortunates who know or have heard of HelloPeter. That ouside group is where real marketing research should take place. MBB is not the place for research if you want to expand your business. MBB members know to look around and will drop you like a hat if needs be. In any case, there should be no need for customers to go somewhere else than a company's primary location, brick-and-mortar or online.

That's some marketing consulting, for free.

But, one cannot help to muse that it seems that iBurst's business model depends on ignorance. Many complaints at HelloPeter express a big disappointment in feeling being duped; it is clear even that customers were not of the sort who might look around and do some research before they decide on the particular technology they want to use to connect. It is exactly the kind of ignorance that marketing depends on. And my analysis is that iBurst remains happy to garner users from that demographic while not caring about them once they are users locked in to whatever package.

Pt2...
 
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Part 2

And here I mean locked in in more than its legalistic sense. They may be on month to month, but if you have little money, switching ISP technology requires cash that for many people is a big outlay: new modem + new connection fees + waste of old connection fees + pro-rata on old modem (if the accounting works). Throw in then, double billing, time wasted, etc., and the cost, monetary and otherwise, of switching grows. Those people, the tech-ignorant, are locked in, and all they want is this new (for them) technology to work.

To reiterate the point, it seems that the business model depends more on these poor souls than on the tech-savvy - who are most probably more wallet savvy as well - on MBB. The problem of course is that it is the tech-savvy that have the more powerful voice. Engaging with the tech-savvy, keeping them satisfied means minimising negative publicity, while the tech-ignorant, who remain unheard and are the most dissatisfied, don't even know that their experience is part of a massive blunder, and not just one individual bureaucratic error. And this point is then borne out by what goes on here at MBB.

When I joined Cybersmart, it was by word-of-mouth. I've never come across any of their people online in a secondary place. They don't need to make promises. They deliver. The history of their delivery becomes their reputation, and that reputation then is their promise. People here, on the iBurst threads, may not want to hear me bandying the name Cybersmart around. But that's my contrasting experience to my history with iBurst. Cybersmart, ironically then, is faceless but I don't feel like I am interacting with a faceless business who leaves me disempowered; iBurst, via MBB, is not entirely faceless, but the experience has been.

I wish iBurst luck in changing, but I remain sceptical. In any event, my persistent irritation and anger has to do with my history with iBurst, and has nothing to do with the future of iBurst. If anyone I know wants to bank on the future of iBurst, I will feel compelled to raise my history with them.

[I will duplicate this post at Open Letter; hopefully it will lead readers who are having problems to come here and join MBB. I should also rather post late at night as there are now several new posts on this thread which could have been incorporated here]
 
or sign a 24-month contract. I'm not happy about this at all. R5000 on modems? That's just absurd.

Don't ever sign up for a 24 month contract. Only sign up for month to month.

Not even your car insurance is a 24 month contract.

If you don't like the service by iBurst, you sell the modem and go to somewhere else.

Just like DSTV...:D
 
:eek: Wow Rustum, you have the gift of the gab. (I'm not being sarcastic)

Respect....;)
 
The cost of iBurst's modems is extortionate. I forked over R2000 in 2006 for the PCMCIA model, which is now pretty much obsolete. I'm upgrading to a new laptop soon with the new express card slot, so I'm faced with the problem of acquiring a new iBurst modem. Since there's no trade-in option, I'm either going to have to pay over another R3000 for a new one, or sign a 24-month contract. I'm not happy about this at all. R5000 on modems? That's just absurd.

Mail Shaun, and let's see what we can do for you.
 
Follow up

Just to clear things up from my side as well.

Shaun Green has been doing brilliant work here on this forum and has personally helped me resolve issues with iBurst that I would not otherwise have been able to do.
I know Jannie van Zyl by reputation only (which is very good) in these forums.
None of my criticism is directed at either of them on a personal level.

Shaun has replied to my e-mail this morning and promised in no uncertain terms that swift action will be taken early on Monday morning resolve my current situation.
I will wait and see how events develop on Monday...

The situation with accounts, marketing strategies and general attitude towards customers at iBurst is however a deeply ingrained culture at the organization. It is not going to be fixed overnight.

Also, although there have been a host of accounting/PR disasters with iBurst in the past, I am afraid that definitely with accounts nothing has changed - in fact the situation seems to have gotten worse at current.

And yes - the build up of frustration over the past 3 years has finally reached tipping point for me. Had the latest episode happened in isolation I would have been furious, but with the history at iBurst it has gone way beyond that.


I have refrained on a number of occasions (as currently in this case) to publish the full details of my negative experiences with iBurst on this forum and other places because Shaun Green stepped in and saved the day... that may change shortly...

A bit of history...

I joined iBurst in 1996 for a number of reasons:
1) I wanted to support a private initiative and not telkom who had left me with bad feelings after monopolizing the market for so many years.
2) iBurst could supply me with connectivity at very short notice (48hrs) whereas there was an indeterminate waiting period to get an ADSL line.
3) I do not like contracts and never have. Hence the decision to purchase the desktop modem outright in cash at something like R2300 and opt for a month-to-month service.
3) I had a fantastic experience with the reseller who delivered and configured my modem for me within something like 24 hrs.
4) I am also a freelancer and amongst other things run a community based web site (an even bigger one covering the whole of Cape town is possibly in the offing at the moment..)
5) Based on my personal fantastic initial experiences with the reseller I promoted and punted iBurst as a solution to all and sundry on both the web site as well as on a personal level.
6) I have been left with egg all over my face due to iBurst's actions since then, and feel highly embarrassed to say the least.
7) I am trapped in a vendor lock in due to the outlay already spent modem if not for any other reason.

I am deeply concerned for the future viability of the company, and the aging technology it uses. The nett effect of bad publicity and user experience is still to hit iBurst on a massive scale... and it is bound to happen.. tipping point will be reached as with global warming.

While I concede that Shaun and it would appear Jannie are doing everything in their power to reverse this trend my concern is that it may be too little, too late. I am not sure that I want to be aboard the Titanic when it goes down, in fact I am certain of it.

Hints have been dropped in this forum about possible great changes happening in terms of many things at the company. My advice is do it tomorrow. Even if it is done in a phased manner. Start immediately.
Because every day of delay, is simply ripping that gaping hole in the hull of the ship open even wider...

PS - Received a missed call on my cell phone this afternoon from a number originating from iBurst's marketing dept (as published on their web site...)
(I phoned back and was greeted by the 'Welcome to iBurst recording..)
I have no idea who made the call but the person declined to leave a message...
Anyone at iBurst reading this and knows who it was - please call me back.

I am left angered beyond words, deeply disappointed and very disillusioned.
 
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Just to clear things up from my side as well.

Had the latest episode happened in isolation I would have been furious, but with the history at iBurst it has gone way beyond that.[/B]

This is the most central point. It is the accretion and, for me, also the repetition of issues that have now driven me to distraction. I have now written in excess of 30 000 words on this and I'm not even a continuing customer continuing to experience bad connectivity or somesuch. 30 000 words, I could be well on my way to finishing a manuscript; but I don't feel I am wasting my time. I feel instead energised, and that is an index of my indignation. I just happen to be vocal and I know I can write; think of all those hundreds and hundreds of people who can't or who don't have the energy. They are going to vote with their wallets, and soon.


A bit of history...

I joined iBurst in 1996 for a number of reasons:
1) I wanted to support a private initiative and not telkom who had left me with bad feelings after monopolizing the market for so many years.
2) iBurst could supply me with connectivity at very short notice (48hrs) whereas there was an indeterminate waiting period to get an ADSL line.
3) I do not like contracts and never have. Hence the decision to purchase the desktop modem outright in cash at something like R2300 and opt for a month-to-month service.
3) I had a fantastic experience with the reseller who delivered and configured my modem for me within something like 24 hrs.
4) I am also a freelancer and amongst other things run a community based web site (an even bigger one covering the whole of Cape town is possibly in the offing at the moment..)
5) Based on my personal fantastic initial experiences with the reseller I promoted and punted iBurst as a solution to all and sundry on both the web site as well as on a personal level.
6) I have been left with egg all over my face due to iBurst's actions since then, and feel highly embarrassed to say the least.
7) I am trapped in a vendor lock in due to the outlay already spent modem if not for any other reason.

Almost the mirror of my case. You must mean 2006. I also joined that year I think. Was iBurst around 2005? Egad, can't remember how long I've had broadband.

1. I also didn't want to use Telkom, but because of their reputation. I had heard horror stories about waiting times etc. Ironically, I had to wait only 5 days when I switched to Telkom.
2. Ditto
3. I also opted for cash modem and month to month (I wonder whether the R2 299 that has haunted me is unconnected to other claims and has also erroneously been claimed while I bought my modem upfront, ironically from a reseller named Sean (I believe, and not Shaun)
4. I also had a less than 24 hour delivery and a good installation epxerience, apart from being unfortunate and having a galvanised steel roof, necessitating use of an external antenna.

5. I also used to punt iBurst, especially because of mobility.


While I concede that Shaun and it would appear Jannie are doing everything in their power to reverse this trend my concern is that it may be too little, too late....

I couldn't agree more.
 
This is the most central point. It is the accretion and, for me, also the repetition of issues that have now driven me to distraction. I have now written in excess of 30 000 words on this and I'm not even a continuing customer continuing to experience bad connectivity or somesuch. 30 000 words, I could be well on my way to finishing a manuscript; but I don't feel I am wasting my time.

Ditto on that front here as well.
Although I am for the moment at least, still a customer...
I have not counted my words but I am sure it is similar if not exceeding your own.

Almost the mirror of my case. You must mean 2006.

Yes you are correct. 2006 Indeed... Typo on my side (although it FEELS like I have been there since 1996 with all the crap involved...)
 
Ditto on that front here as well.
2006 Indeed... (although it FEELS like I have been there since 1996 with all the crap involved...)

Sorry, I had to laugh. But I was also just thinking, it's amazing how soon things become embedded. I mean, that I can't remember exactly when I got broadband, shows how only 4 or 5 years later, it feels as if it's always been there. Not that we really have broadband, but that's another story.
 
IBurst is joke

I got iburst before it first launched. It worked quite well. Then the day of the launch it stopped working. After numerous visits to Iburst head office and communications between myself Shawn Green and Mary Ann Jansen nothing was ever resolved. There internet solution never ever worked. The account was supposed to be cancelled and they were supposed to pick up their equipment. I have been blacklisted by iburst so-called debt collectors and have been told i owe them R21000.00 for a service that i could never use.
My word of warning to anybody that uses iburst or thinking of using iburst. There promises are empty their service is pathetic and after telling you that everything has been sorted out and the account is cancelled. You receive letters from companies collecting money for them.
 
yes it is im busy with lawyers to see what my rights are as far as this goes.

I have some emails from mary ann that she sent to you still where my account was supposed to be put on hold till the northcliff towers were repaired. Before i requested the cancelation at your offices.
 
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