[Opinion] Gunning for Eskom? Fracking could solve your problem

Haven't read the business plans of these fracking proposals...does anyone address where the required water comes from? We are a dry country after all.
 
ghoti said:
Thank goodness the saudis are killing of the shale producers with their cheap oil.

I dont want earthquakes or contaminated ground water thanks.
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Their cheap oil will first need to kill of African oil producers before it kills of shale producers. Collateral damage?
 
daveza said:
Oh that's the question that may not be asked !
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Does anyone use salt water for fracking? I mean you're putting **** into the ground...why not salty ****?

Quick googling tells me it's doable if the substrate being drilled into plays along. So we should make that a condition for companies wanting to frack.
 
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Neoprod said:
Does anyone use salt water for fracking? I mean you're putting **** into the ground...why not salty ****?

Quick googling tells me it's doable if the substrate being drilled into plays along. So we should make that a condition for companies wanting to frack.
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We would still need to pump water from the coast to the Karoo - how many years would that take to set up.
 
daveza said:
We would still need to pump water from the coast to the Karoo - how many years would that take to set up.
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Building a pipeline? In the grand scheme of things, no time (2 years I guess?).

Don't get me wrong...I'm not a proponent of fracking. I have an open mind about it and am building up a list of things I would want done for it to be considered a sustainable endeavour.
 
jansdejager said:
another ninkapoop who starts new threads every which way without paying heed to previous ones. Shell SA is owned by the ANC. Do you think they're going to let them do this properly? They won't be done until every contractor is in their pockets, and every tender is awarded to their bloodsucking offspring.

So explain, pray tell, how this is going to be done by private companies, and how that is better. The hold-ups at Medupi/Kusile was because of foreign contractors like Alstom and Hitachi among others. And who owns Hitachi South Africa? I'll give you a hint: they probably built his firepool.
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How is it any different to what we already have?
 
jansdejager said:
another ninkapoop who starts new threads every which way without paying heed to previous ones. Shell SA is owned by the ANC. Do you think they're going to let them do this properly? They won't be done until every contractor is in their pockets, and every tender is awarded to their bloodsucking offspring.

So explain, pray tell, how this is going to be done by private companies, and how that is better. The hold-ups at Medupi/Kusile was because of foreign contractors like Alstom and Hitachi among others. And who owns Hitachi South Africa? I'll give you a hint: they probably built his firepool.
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Maybe when you've grown up we can have a chat, mkay.

Neoprod said:
Getting gas out the ground is one thing...by the time it gets to your house as electricity you can be sure Eskom's dirty little fingers would have been all over it.
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Yeah, but at that point it's sort of going okay. Getting the damn things built in the first place seems to be a major obstacle.
 
Neoprod said:
Does anyone use salt water for fracking? I mean you're putting **** into the ground...why not salty ****?

Quick googling tells me it's doable if the substrate being drilled into plays along. So we should make that a condition for companies wanting to frack.
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Yes. The Karoo has vast reserves of saltier-than-seawater water kilometres underground. Farmers certainly don't want it on their land. Neither do the frackers. Just use it to break the rocks and free the gas.
 
Arthur said:
Yes. The Karoo has vast reserves of saltier-than-seawater water kilometres underground. Farmers certainly don't want it on their land. Neither do the frackers. Just use it to break the rocks and free the gas.
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I'm seeing spin-offs for water treatment...assuming they need to treat that saltwater before being able to use it for fracking, we may be able to use the same processes after to create water for needs aside from fracking. As in pick up whatever water treatment facilities have been created and keep running them for ourselves. Optimistic but should be investigated.
 
http://www.un-earthed.com/fracking-fears-run-deep-karoo/

From a non-hippie source.

Meet Professor Gerrit van Tonder, a leading geohydrologist from the UFS Institute for Groundwater Studies who is better known in recent months as the Pro-fracking Professor who did a U-turn. Originally optimistic about shale gas extraction, van Tonder backtracked in June to warn that fracking would severely impact underground water supplies.

Together with his doctoral student, Fanie de lange, they looked at the Soekor wells in order to anticipate the outcomes of shale gas extraction in the same region. In the area that Shell, Falcon and Bundu, have applied for drilling rights, there are 14 Soekor holes. Thus far, five of those are leaking fluids to the surface.
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jansdejager said:
So we just say everything's okay it's the way of the world? I say haul that fat ass before a judge and whip him silly
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Good luck with that. Just because we know what's going to happen, doesn't mean we should prohibit everything that might hold some benefits for SAfricans.
 
Garyvdh said:
Good luck with that. Just because we know what's going to happen, doesn't mean we should prohibit everything that might hold some benefits for SAfricans.
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What possible benefit? This debate just goes around and around in circles. The truth is that as citizens of this country we are better off with a poorer ANC, or hopefully no ANC. Bridging the gap between rich and poor is not something government can solve.

The government can provide quality education, and let its subjects attain gainful employment by merit alone. Promising handouts at the expense of existing industries and taking fat bonuses in every industrial endeavour is going to land us in Zimbabwe. But that's fine, you say. I agree. Because I will be living in Switzerland and let's see if let Jacob and his 20 wives in there.
 
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